Blutters Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Don't really have anything to contribute to the fruity topic...Scientific evidence that God hates gays: AIDS.But nothing happens to lesbians, so they must be okay. :thumbup: But for all of you who continually try to disprove Gorgoroth, or rather, are enemies of religion in general...Are you gamblers?Masochists?Do you really just not like the idea of a happy ending?A book of fairytales or otherwise exaggerated real events that has lessons for leading a moral life? -Although, of course, people don't need guidelines... As I said before, it's foolish to totally discount anything, especially a chance at eternal happiness, just because you haven't the typical grade of evidence you're so used to to support it.Religion brings a lot of pluses to the table that you don't get from science. The logical thinkers can stand there and gawk at the faithful's stupidity, but in the end, the faithful will be happier believing there is a higher purpose, a life after death, and a reward for good actions on earth. They also have a greater unity through belief, and a reputation that proceeds them for being generally good people. Also, in the case of radically religious people, it's just plain dumb to piss them off by denying their beliefs. If you can't bring yourself to believe then at least play the role of charlatans and benefit.I realize it's pointless to try to convince any of you, but you should be aware of what you are giving up by denying God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisp Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I realize it's pointless to try to convince any of you, but you should be aware of what you are giving up by denying God.What are you giving up by denying other religions? Just as much. I'm just as happy without god. It makes me depressed that if there were some holy creator of the universe he would only accept people who did good deeds because they were threatened to (see: Hell), or were afraid to think for themselves. Hegemony-Spain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElkNight Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I realize it's pointless to try to convince any of you, but you should be aware of what you are giving up by denying God. 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Blutters Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Both of you should notice that I did not once reference any one religion. Personally, I believe that the same God runs them all anyway.Doomsavenger, you in particular do not seem to understand what I was saying. Please re-read what I listed as positives. And also, I'm saying that you would get along with a lot more people if you didn't outright deny their beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stragomagus Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Both of you should notice that I did not once reference any one religion. Personally, I believe that the same God runs them all anyway.Doomsavenger, you in particular do not seem to understand what I was saying. Please re-read what I listed as positives. And also, I'm saying that you would get along with a lot more people if you didn't outright deny their beliefs. How can the Abrahamic god run them all when most religions come into direct contradiction of each other in almost every case? Religion brings a lot of pluses to the table that you don't get from science. The logical thinkers can stand there and gawk at the faithful's stupidity, but in the end, the faithful will be happier believing there is a higher purpose, a life after death, and a reward for good actions on earth. They also have a greater unity through belief, and a reputation that proceeds them for being generally good people. Also, in the case of radically religious people, it's just plain dumb to piss them off by denying their beliefs. If you can't bring yourself to believe then at least play the role of charlatans and benefit.I realize it's pointless to try to convince any of you, but you should be aware of what you are giving up by denying God. There isn't as much unity as you seem to think GaVaTi when you take into account that there are easily over 30,000 different sects of christianity alone(this is in reference to them not being able to agree on the interpretation of the bible). As for the second bolded part...I would rather commit suicide than to not be honest with myself and others around me. Quote - Revenge is such a nasty thing that only breeds more vengeful souls, but in some situations revenge does not even need to be sought out, but only bided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blutters Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Both of you should notice that I did not once reference any one religion. Personally, I believe that the same God runs them all anyway.Doomsavenger, you in particular do not seem to understand what I was saying. Please re-read what I listed as positives. And also, I'm saying that you would get along with a lot more people if you didn't outright deny their beliefs. How can the Abrahamic god run them all when most religions come into direct contradiction of each other in almost every case?I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean that they are like two opposing parties, liberals and conservatives, and just choose the opposite of what the other says?And likely because the people who follow that religion have different interpretations. It's like God had a big meeting with people from say, 60 different cultures, and each one of them wrote down something different. That's really just a situation though.The one prevailing theme is that you should be nice and not do bad or nasty things. Unless there is a religion that calls for exactly that, but most of the time we call those cults. To the above, later-added part:By unity, I meant a sense of belonging or community. Not that all followers of that broad religion see eye-to-eye.And, have you ever heard of turning the other cheek? There's no reason to offend people you don't even know or whom you shouldn't really care about what they think about you, as long as you're in their favor, such as a boss or co-workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenin64 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Both of you should notice that I did not once reference any one religion. Personally, I believe that the same God runs them all anyway.Doomsavenger, you in particular do not seem to understand what I was saying. Please re-read what I listed as positives. And also, I'm saying that you would get along with a lot more people if you didn't outright deny their beliefs. How can the Abrahamic god run them all when most religions come into direct contradiction of each other in almost every case?I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean that they are like two opposing parties, liberals and conservatives, and just choose the opposite of what the other says?And likely because the people who follow that religion have different interpretations. It's like God had a big meeting with people from say, 60 different cultures, and each one of them wrote down something different. That's really just a situation though.The one prevailing theme is that you should be nice and not do bad or nasty things. Unless there is a religion that calls for exactly that, but most of the time we call those cults.Are you just making this up as you go? Command the Murderous Chalices! Drink ye harpooners! drink and swear, ye men that man the deathful whaleboat's bow- Death to Moby Dick!BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blutters Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Both of you should notice that I did not once reference any one religion. Personally, I believe that the same God runs them all anyway.Doomsavenger, you in particular do not seem to understand what I was saying. Please re-read what I listed as positives. And also, I'm saying that you would get along with a lot more people if you didn't outright deny their beliefs. How can the Abrahamic god run them all when most religions come into direct contradiction of each other in almost every case?I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean that they are like two opposing parties, liberals and conservatives, and just choose the opposite of what the other says?And likely because the people who follow that religion have different interpretations. It's like God had a big meeting with people from say, 60 different cultures, and each one of them wrote down something different. That's really just a situation though.The one prevailing theme is that you should be nice and not do bad or nasty things. Unless there is a religion that calls for exactly that, but most of the time we call those cults.Are you just making this up as you go?The situation? Yes. Which is why I clearly said: "That's really just a situation, though." As in, it's an example of a hypothetical happening.Most of the rest of it seems like stuff that anyone could see.Actually, I wouldn't know if anyone of them believe they actually talked to God. I don't know where they get there specific beliefs like not being able to eat pork or beef. It's likely that those details were proven in the original founders of those religions' eyes by coincidences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisp Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Or maybe religions all turned out somewhat similar because we're all human? No one wants to be killed, and they set rules. Whether as laws, or commandments. Hegemony-Spain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElkNight Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Revelation 2121:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Well guess we are all [bleep]ed.Yeah I know people don't take all the bible literally but still, how many times can you ignore God killing the world or tons of people? So much picking and choosing. Although there is some good morals and values in the bible, there is just so much crap and bad stuff and it far outweighs the good. Just a random thought. 8,180WONGTONG IS THE BEST AND IS MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME#1 Wongtong stalker.Im looking for some No Limit soldiers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stragomagus Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Both of you should notice that I did not once reference any one religion. Personally, I believe that the same God runs them all anyway.Doomsavenger, you in particular do not seem to understand what I was saying. Please re-read what I listed as positives. And also, I'm saying that you would get along with a lot more people if you didn't outright deny their beliefs. How can the Abrahamic god run them all when most religions come into direct contradiction of each other in almost every case?I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean that they are like two opposing parties, liberals and conservatives, and just choose the opposite of what the other says?And likely because the people who follow that religion have different interpretations. It's like God had a big meeting with people from say, 60 different cultures, and each one of them wrote down something different. That's really just a situation though.The one prevailing theme is that you should be nice and not do bad or nasty things. Unless there is a religion that calls for exactly that, but most of the time we call those cults.Are you just making this up as you go?The situation? Yes. Which is why I clearly said: "That's really just a situation, though." As in, it's an example of a hypothetical happening.Most of the rest of it seems like stuff that anyone could see.Actually, I wouldn't know if anyone of them believe they actually talked to God. I don't know where they get there specific beliefs like not being able to eat pork or beef. It's likely that those details were proven in the original founders of those religions' eyes by coincidences. This should answer your question quite thoroughly GaVaTi.http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080215072901AAilgoi Another reason for not eating pork or beef was due to the fact that, in desert conditions, meat spoils very quickly without, in some way, being preserved(i.e.: salting( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt-cured_meat )). Quote - Revenge is such a nasty thing that only breeds more vengeful souls, but in some situations revenge does not even need to be sought out, but only bided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blutters Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Or maybe religions all turned out somewhat similar because we're all human? No one wants to be killed, and they set rules. Whether as laws, or commandments.I dunno where you got it that I was denying that, but well said. Revelation 2121:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Well guess we are all [bleep]ed.Yeah I know people don't take all the bible literally but still, how many times can you ignore God killing the world or tons of people? So much picking and choosing. Although there is some good morals and values in the bible, there is just so much crap and bad stuff and it far outweighs the good. Just a random thought.Yeah. I should clarify that I don't really agree with the methods used: It tells you that you should follow certain laws, but then it uses mental terrorism to back up such claims.Surely if you just took one part of it, like, say the Ten Commandments of the Bible, and didn't consider the horror stories it uses to back them up, it would seem a bit better. Both of you should notice that I did not once reference any one religion. Personally, I believe that the same God runs them all anyway.Doomsavenger, you in particular do not seem to understand what I was saying. Please re-read what I listed as positives. And also, I'm saying that you would get along with a lot more people if you didn't outright deny their beliefs. How can the Abrahamic god run them all when most religions come into direct contradiction of each other in almost every case?I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean that they are like two opposing parties, liberals and conservatives, and just choose the opposite of what the other says?And likely because the people who follow that religion have different interpretations. It's like God had a big meeting with people from say, 60 different cultures, and each one of them wrote down something different. That's really just a situation though.The one prevailing theme is that you should be nice and not do bad or nasty things. Unless there is a religion that calls for exactly that, but most of the time we call those cults.Are you just making this up as you go?The situation? Yes. Which is why I clearly said: "That's really just a situation, though." As in, it's an example of a hypothetical happening.Most of the rest of it seems like stuff that anyone could see.Actually, I wouldn't know if anyone of them believe they actually talked to God. I don't know where they get there specific beliefs like not being able to eat pork or beef. It's likely that those details were proven in the original founders of those religions' eyes by coincidences. This should answer your question quite thoroughly GaVaTi.http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080215072901AAilgoi Another reason for not eating pork or beef was due to the fact that, in desert conditions, meat spoils very quickly without, in some way, being preserved(i.e.: salting( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt-cured_meat )).Thank you for that, I learned something. However, I was simply using that as an example of some particular religions and their idiosyncrasies.Oh, there's another deal in there, after reading the entire explanation on that talk page. Apparently, the people who wrote these particular rules (concerning pork) knew of potential dangers [of eating pork] and decided to help others out by saying that God didn't want them to eat it. If every rule in them was written in concern for their fellow man but on the borrowed voice of God... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElkNight Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Revelation 2121:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Well guess we are all [bleep]ed.Yeah I know people don't take all the bible literally but still, how many times can you ignore God killing the world or tons of people? So much picking and choosing. Although there is some good morals and values in the bible, there is just so much crap and bad stuff and it far outweighs the good. Just a random thought.Yeah. I should clarify that I don't really agree with the methods used: It tells you that you should follow certain laws, but then it uses mental terrorism to back up such claims.Surely if you just took one part of it, like, say the Ten Commandments of the Bible, and didn't consider the horror stories it uses to back them up, it would seem a bit better. But do you really believe in that religion if you take out all the bad stuff? Which is close to all of the bible. I don't really get how you can believe that religion if you need to pick and choose that much. 8,180WONGTONG IS THE BEST AND IS MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME#1 Wongtong stalker.Im looking for some No Limit soldiers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blutters Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Revelation 2121:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Well guess we are all [bleep]ed.Yeah I know people don't take all the bible literally but still, how many times can you ignore God killing the world or tons of people? So much picking and choosing. Although there is some good morals and values in the bible, there is just so much crap and bad stuff and it far outweighs the good. Just a random thought.Yeah. I should clarify that I don't really agree with the methods used: It tells you that you should follow certain laws, but then it uses mental terrorism to back up such claims.Surely if you just took one part of it, like, say the Ten Commandments of the Bible, and didn't consider the horror stories it uses to back them up, it would seem a bit better. But do you really believe in that religion if you take out all the bad stuff? Which is close to all of the bible. I don't really get how you can believe that religion if you need to pick and choose that much.I don't...? You could've gotten that from me saying that all of these Gods are the same one. I believe in God and I believe that humans have the natural capacity to be good to their fellows and that that is what most of these religions teach. I don't believe literally in the Christian Bible's stories, but rather that they are meant to prove by example of consequence that something is just or that something is wrong. I'm suggesting to you that even if you do not believe in that religion, the religion holds some merit, even if it is slim, and as you said, you would have to search to find it. Generally, I am offering advice: You don't have to follow any religion, but doing so, such as in your personal community will ease your personal commerce. You will get along with people, which could help you. And then, also, if you flat out say God doesn't exist, since apparently there is no scientifically verified proof either way, you are giving up on what could possibly be had, for what I see as no good reason.The only thing I'm really preaching here is open-mindedness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgoroth Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Revelation 2121:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Well guess we are all [bleep]ed.Yeah I know people don't take all the bible literally but still, how many times can you ignore God killing the world or tons of people? So much picking and choosing. Although there is some good morals and values in the bible, there is just so much crap and bad stuff and it far outweighs the good. Just a random thought.Yeah. I should clarify that I don't really agree with the methods used: It tells you that you should follow certain laws, but then it uses mental terrorism to back up such claims.Surely if you just took one part of it, like, say the Ten Commandments of the Bible, and didn't consider the horror stories it uses to back them up, it would seem a bit better. But do you really believe in that religion if you take out all the bad stuff? Which is close to all of the bible. I don't really get how you can believe that religion if you need to pick and choose that much.Please, prove your words to me. Prove to me that "most" of the Bible is crap. I find it really funny how you sit there bad mouthing the Bible yet you gladly take quotes from it. Revelations was a book written to scare the [cabbage] out of people. Its the only book that i might think you could gather "crap" from and this is not because God wants to force us to love Him. Instead this is a word from people telling us that without us loving Him we will be damned. And your theory of who goes to heaven and who goes to hell, or the way God chooses who may enter heaven is the theory of a fool, a coward, an the theory of someone that tries to know it all while in actuall fact he knows nothing. You sir, are making a total fool of yourself with your idiocy. God is good, God is just. I have said that many times now. He takes everything good and bad we have done when he judges us. Muderers and Rapists have their chance at heaven. There's this little thing called repenting. Its never too late, not even for you. You are dealing with a greater force than your mind can ever think of. You will never bask in glory until you bask in the glory of God. To be without religion is a fool's way of life. Afterall, do you think you were put on this earth simply to die? No! Tou were put on this earth as a test! A test of passion, love, kindness, respect, etc. Fail the test and you are damned. But if you do not fail this unfailable test then forever you can eat the sweatest fruit, drink the best wine, have all the that you can desire for heaven is the ciry of honey and milk. Even though you deny God now, He still loves you. Sure, He is pained but He does not give up hope. Now i suggest that you stop your bashing of religions. If not out of respect for those who love God, then ou of self respect. Because a man who must insult another for for his ways and beliefs is a man who shows doubt in his own. Do not mock my God because you are insecure aabout your lack of a God. And as a sidenote: Jews and Muslims do not eat pork because they see it as an unholy animal. Jesus drove out demons from a girl into a herd of pigs (or something like that). That is why they do not eat pork. Also it has something to do with how the hoof is split. It has nothing to do with the fact of it spoiling in the desert. **Thanks to Boo_Boy666 for my amazing Singnature**[hide=Slaytanicc's Achievments]|99Cooking achieved 24Dec 2008|99Strength achieved 17Feb 2009|99Hit Points achieved 8April 2009||99Defense achieved 29May 2009|99Attack achieved 2August 2009|99Ranged achieved 14August 2009|[/hide][hide=Guides by Slaytanicc]Aviansie Maging + Ranging Guide (Must Read!!)Iron Mining + Banking GuideGreen Dragons GuideAnkou Slaying Guide[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stragomagus Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Revelation 2121:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Well guess we are all [bleep]ed.Yeah I know people don't take all the bible literally but still, how many times can you ignore God killing the world or tons of people? So much picking and choosing. Although there is some good morals and values in the bible, there is just so much crap and bad stuff and it far outweighs the good. Just a random thought.Yeah. I should clarify that I don't really agree with the methods used: It tells you that you should follow certain laws, but then it uses mental terrorism to back up such claims.Surely if you just took one part of it, like, say the Ten Commandments of the Bible, and didn't consider the horror stories it uses to back them up, it would seem a bit better. But do you really believe in that religion if you take out all the bad stuff? Which is close to all of the bible. I don't really get how you can believe that religion if you need to pick and choose that much.Please, prove your words to me. Prove to me that "most" of the Bible is crap. I find it really funny how you sit there bad mouthing the Bible yet you gladly take quotes from it. Revelations was a book written to scare the [cabbage] out of people. Its the only book that i might think you could gather "crap" from and this is not because God wants to force us to love Him. Instead this is a word from people telling us that without us loving Him we will be damned. And your theory of who goes to heaven and who goes to hell, or the way God chooses who may enter heaven is the theory of a fool, a coward, an the theory of someone that tries to know it all while in actual fact he knows nothing. You sir, are making a total fool of yourself with your idiocy. God is good, God is just. I have said that many times now. He takes everything good and bad we have done when he judges us. Murderers and Rapists have their chance at heaven. There's this little thing called repenting. Its never too late, not even for you. You are dealing with a greater force than your mind can ever think of. You will never bask in glory until you bask in the glory of God. To be without religion is a fool's way of life. After all, do you think you were put on this earth simply to die? No! You were put on this earth as a test! A test of passion, love, kindness, respect, etc. Fail the test and you are damned. But if you do not fail this unfailable test then forever you can eat the sweetest fruit, drink the best wine, have all that you can desire for heaven is the city of honey and milk. Even though you deny God now, He still loves you. Sure, He is pained, but He does not give up hope. Now i suggest that you stop your bashing of religions. If not out of respect for those who love God, then out of self respect. Because a man who must insult another for for his ways and beliefs is a man who shows doubt in his own. Do not mock my God because you are insecure about your lack of a God. And as a sidenote: Jews and Muslims do not eat pork because they see it as an unholy animal. Jesus drove out demons from a girl into a herd of pigs (or something like that). That is why they do not eat pork. Also it has something to do with how the hoof is split. It has nothing to do with the fact of it spoiling in the desert. first bolding: Would you like me to pull stuff out of the bible where god commits the act of genocide? or how about the condolence of beating slaves within an inch of their life so as not to kill them, but then as long as they don't die within a certain time-frame it is okay? What about the part of being able to keep other Jews as slaves, if the slave(Jew) had a child and wife during the time he was supposed to be a slave? What about being able to sell your daughter into slavery? Or what about when god struck down the tower of Babel and then made it so that there were 1000s of languages? What about condoning the killing of innocent men, women and children and also the raping and pillaging of said company? Do I need to go on? The god of the "bible" is vindictive, spiteful, hateful, unmerciful and kills at the drop of even the slightest bit of disobedience and no the "New Testament" does not nullify the "Old Testament" as that would take the pillars out from under from the "New Testament". Second & third bolding: What you are saying there is that he is not allowed to postulate as to how this god "supposedly" determines the fate of anyone and everyone within our universe. In addition to that, not only are you saying that he is not allowed to postulate on that matter, but he is also not allowed to question the bible, or church doctrine, at all. Also, by calling him "fool", "coward", and other names like that only proves that you do not know how to address an argument where a valid question was asked. Going into the third bolded part now. Not only that, but you call not "believing" in a "god" that is supposedly omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, and among other things, a "fool's way of life", especially when there is no supporting evidence outside of said source called the "bible"; this is the very definition of close-mindedness that you are accusing atheists of(you might not have actually said, but it was implied). fourth & fifth bolding: You sir are a hypocrite. final bolding: Someone didn't read the link I posted before that, which did make mention of the "unholy" part. Also, it does have something to do with the fact that meat spoils extremely quick in desert conditions. Why else would you find that, predating refrigeration, nearly "all" meat was smoked in the desert? Quote - Revenge is such a nasty thing that only breeds more vengeful souls, but in some situations revenge does not even need to be sought out, but only bided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Now even more than ever. The more i read the replies the bigger the bull [cabbage] gets.Its all a 50 - 50 game to me. Every reason you have for evolution i have a reason for God. To me it sounds like you're making up excuses and i'm 100% sure to you it sounds the same on my part. I guess all that mankind can do is wait for Judgement day or whatever. WellI'm not making up excuses. I amjust spewing out some theories of which some have been proven and some are not, but offer plausible explanations. If one is false then please do prove that it is. That's called falsifiability and what makes it a (potential) science. God does not allow falsifiability and is not a science. Therefore phenomena should only be explained by a theory that can be falsified. My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgoroth Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Revelation 2121:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Well guess we are all [bleep]ed.Yeah I know people don't take all the bible literally but still, how many times can you ignore God killing the world or tons of people? So much picking and choosing. Although there is some good morals and values in the bible, there is just so much crap and bad stuff and it far outweighs the good. Just a random thought.Yeah. I should clarify that I don't really agree with the methods used: It tells you that you should follow certain laws, but then it uses mental terrorism to back up such claims.Surely if you just took one part of it, like, say the Ten Commandments of the Bible, and didn't consider the horror stories it uses to back them up, it would seem a bit better. But do you really believe in that religion if you take out all the bad stuff? Which is close to all of the bible. I don't really get how you can believe that religion if you need to pick and choose that much.Please, prove your words to me. Prove to me that "most" of the Bible is crap. I find it really funny how you sit there bad mouthing the Bible yet you gladly take quotes from it. Revelations was a book written to scare the [cabbage] out of people. Its the only book that i might think you could gather "crap" from and this is not because God wants to force us to love Him. Instead this is a word from people telling us that without us loving Him we will be damned. And your theory of who goes to heaven and who goes to hell, or the way God chooses who may enter heaven is the theory of a fool, a coward, an the theory of someone that tries to know it all while in actual fact he knows nothing. You sir, are making a total fool of yourself with your idiocy. God is good, God is just. I have said that many times now. He takes everything good and bad we have done when he judges us. Murderers and Rapists have their chance at heaven. There's this little thing called repenting. Its never too late, not even for you. You are dealing with a greater force than your mind can ever think of. You will never bask in glory until you bask in the glory of God. To be without religion is a fool's way of life. After all, do you think you were put on this earth simply to die? No! You were put on this earth as a test! A test of passion, love, kindness, respect, etc. Fail the test and you are damned. But if you do not fail this unfailable test then forever you can eat the sweetest fruit, drink the best wine, have all that you can desire for heaven is the city of honey and milk. Even though you deny God now, He still loves you. Sure, He is pained, but He does not give up hope. Now i suggest that you stop your bashing of religions. If not out of respect for those who love God, then out of self respect. Because a man who must insult another for for his ways and beliefs is a man who shows doubt in his own. Do not mock my God because you are insecure about your lack of a God. And as a sidenote: Jews and Muslims do not eat pork because they see it as an unholy animal. Jesus drove out demons from a girl into a herd of pigs (or something like that). That is why they do not eat pork. Also it has something to do with how the hoof is split. It has nothing to do with the fact of it spoiling in the desert. first bolding: Would you like me to pull stuff out of the bible where god commits the act of genocide? or how about the condolence of beating slaves within an inch of their life so as not to kill them, but then as long as they don't die within a certain time-frame it is okay? What about the part of being able to keep other Jews as slaves, if the slave(Jew) had a child and wife during the time he was supposed to be a slave? What about being able to sell your daughter into slavery? Or what about when god struck down the tower of Babel and then made it so that there were 1000s of languages? What about condoning the killing of innocent men, women and children and also the raping and pillaging of said company? Do I need to go on? The god of the "bible" is vindictive, spiteful, hateful, unmerciful and kills at the drop of even the slightest bit of disobedience and no the "New Testament" does not nullify the "Old Testament" as that would take the pillars out from under from the "New Testament". Second & third bolding: What you are saying there is that he is not allowed to postulate as to how this god "supposedly" determines the fate of anyone and everyone within our universe. In addition to that, not only are you saying that he is not allowed to postulate on that matter, but he is also not allowed to question the bible, or church doctrine, at all. Also, by calling him "fool", "coward", and other names like that only proves that you do not know how to address an argument where a valid question was asked. Going into the third bolded part now. Not only that, but you call not "believing" in a "god" that is supposedly omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, and among other things, a "fool's way of life", especially when there is no supporting evidence outside of said source called the "bible"; this is the very definition of close-mindedness that you are accusing atheists of(you might not have actually said, but it was implied). fourth & fifth bolding: You sir are a hypocrite. final bolding: Someone didn't read the link I posted before that, which did make mention of the "unholy" part. Also, it does have something to do with the fact that meat spoils extremely quick in desert conditions. Why else would you find that, predating refrigeration, nearly "all" meat was smoked in the desert?I suggest you quote, directly out of the Bible( Book name and verse) where exactly you got your information from. I can assure you that you won't find anything to back up what you have said in the first part. You will however find that God struck down the tower, but this was after multiple warnings have been given. And to question the Bible shows lack of faith and trust in God. Do you question your mother's love for you? No, you trust that she means it when she says it. It is very much the same when God tells you he loves you (although God does it in other forms). And no i admit i did not read the link you posted. I really have no intrest in it to be quite honest. Although i did give it a quick glance and i saw something about it saying that Christians do not eat pork? This is false. But please, do send me those quotes. I am dying to see what rubbish you come up with next. Also, i would really much like it if someone could point me in the direction of a book/video or something that will prove to me that evolution is a fact. And when i say this i mean i want a description from the actuall Big Bang to the first cell and then each and every cell after that untill Human. 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Stragomagus Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 [hide]Revelation 2121:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Well guess we are all [bleep]ed.Yeah I know people don't take all the bible literally but still, how many times can you ignore God killing the world or tons of people? So much picking and choosing. Although there is some good morals and values in the bible, there is just so much crap and bad stuff and it far outweighs the good. Just a random thought.Yeah. I should clarify that I don't really agree with the methods used: It tells you that you should follow certain laws, but then it uses mental terrorism to back up such claims.Surely if you just took one part of it, like, say the Ten Commandments of the Bible, and didn't consider the horror stories it uses to back them up, it would seem a bit better. But do you really believe in that religion if you take out all the bad stuff? Which is close to all of the bible. I don't really get how you can believe that religion if you need to pick and choose that much.Please, prove your words to me. Prove to me that "most" of the Bible is crap. I find it really funny how you sit there bad mouthing the Bible yet you gladly take quotes from it. Revelations was a book written to scare the [cabbage] out of people. Its the only book that i might think you could gather "crap" from and this is not because God wants to force us to love Him. Instead this is a word from people telling us that without us loving Him we will be damned. And your theory of who goes to heaven and who goes to hell, or the way God chooses who may enter heaven is the theory of a fool, a coward, an the theory of someone that tries to know it all while in actual fact he knows nothing. You sir, are making a total fool of yourself with your idiocy. God is good, God is just. I have said that many times now. He takes everything good and bad we have done when he judges us. Murderers and Rapists have their chance at heaven. There's this little thing called repenting. Its never too late, not even for you. You are dealing with a greater force than your mind can ever think of. You will never bask in glory until you bask in the glory of God. To be without religion is a fool's way of life. After all, do you think you were put on this earth simply to die? No! You were put on this earth as a test! A test of passion, love, kindness, respect, etc. Fail the test and you are damned. But if you do not fail this unfailable test then forever you can eat the sweetest fruit, drink the best wine, have all that you can desire for heaven is the city of honey and milk. Even though you deny God now, He still loves you. Sure, He is pained, but He does not give up hope. Now i suggest that you stop your bashing of religions. If not out of respect for those who love God, then out of self respect. Because a man who must insult another for for his ways and beliefs is a man who shows doubt in his own. Do not mock my God because you are insecure about your lack of a God. And as a sidenote: Jews and Muslims do not eat pork because they see it as an unholy animal. Jesus drove out demons from a girl into a herd of pigs (or something like that). That is why they do not eat pork. Also it has something to do with how the hoof is split. It has nothing to do with the fact of it spoiling in the desert. first bolding: Would you like me to pull stuff out of the bible where god commits the act of genocide? or how about the condolence of beating slaves within an inch of their life so as not to kill them, but then as long as they don't die within a certain time-frame it is okay? What about the part of being able to keep other Jews as slaves, if the slave(Jew) had a child and wife during the time he was supposed to be a slave? What about being able to sell your daughter into slavery? Or what about when god struck down the tower of Babel and then made it so that there were 1000s of languages? What about condoning the killing of innocent men, women and children and also the raping and pillaging of said company? Do I need to go on? The god of the "bible" is vindictive, spiteful, hateful, unmerciful and kills at the drop of even the slightest bit of disobedience and no the "New Testament" does not nullify the "Old Testament" as that would take the pillars out from under from the "New Testament". Second & third bolding: What you are saying there is that he is not allowed to postulate as to how this god "supposedly" determines the fate of anyone and everyone within our universe. In addition to that, not only are you saying that he is not allowed to postulate on that matter, but he is also not allowed to question the bible, or church doctrine, at all. Also, by calling him "fool", "coward", and other names like that only proves that you do not know how to address an argument where a valid question was asked. Going into the third bolded part now. Not only that, but you call not "believing" in a "god" that is supposedly omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, and among other things, a "fool's way of life", especially when there is no supporting evidence outside of said source called the "bible"; this is the very definition of close-mindedness that you are accusing atheists of(you might not have actually said, but it was implied). fourth & fifth bolding: You sir are a hypocrite. final bolding: Someone didn't read the link I posted before that, which did make mention of the "unholy" part. Also, it does have something to do with the fact that meat spoils extremely quick in desert conditions. Why else would you find that, predating refrigeration, nearly "all" meat was smoked in the desert?I suggest you quote, directly out of the Bible( Book name and verse) where exactly you got your information from. I can assure you that you won't find anything to back up what you have said in the first part. You will however find that God struck down the tower, but this was after multiple warnings have been given. And to question the Bible shows lack of faith and trust in God. Do you question your mother's love for you? No, you trust that she means it when she says it. It is very much the same when God tells you he loves you (although God does it in other forms). And no i admit i did not read the link you posted. I really have no intrest in it to be quite honest. Although i did give it a quick glance and i saw something about it saying that Christians do not eat pork? This is false. But please, do send me those quotes. I am dying to see what rubbish you come up with next. Also, i would really much like it if someone could point me in the direction of a book/video or something that will prove to me that evolution is a fact. And when i say this i mean i want a description from the actuall Big Bang to the first cell and then each and every cell after that untill Human. Please and thank you.[/hide] Remember, you signed your death warrant here. [hide]GenocideGenesis 6:1- 9:17 - The whole Noah debacle, which is in effect god committing global genocide for the entirety of the Earth and not just humans.Numbers 31:7-18Zechariah 14:1-2 SlaveryExodus 21:1-4Exodus 21:7Exodus 21:8Exodus 20:17Deuteronomy 5:21Deuteronomy 15:12-18Deuteronomy 21:10-14Deuteronomy 20:14Deuteronomy 23:15-16Leviticus 19:20-22Leviticus 25:39Leviticus 25:44-46Leviticus 25:48-53Numbers 31:28-47Samuel 9:10Zechariah 14:1-2 RapeGenesis 16:1-2Genesis 30:3-4Genesis 30:9-10Deuteronomy 21:10-14Deuteronomy 22:23-24Numbers 31:7-18Zechariah 14:1-2 WarJudges 5:30 Zechariah 14:1-2[/hide] We haven't even started on the New Testament yet.*All verses are from the King James Version, which I am under the assumption that you are referring to. These verses cannot be explained away as they are in there black and white. First bolding: Christians are still bound by the "Old Testament" as well as the "New Testament" so them not supposed to be eating pork is correct on a technicality. Second Bolding: Asking for that is extremely unreasonable as at our current technology level it cannot be done in its entirety(computers simply aren't powerful enough yet). So...in effect you want a completed tree of life up to the point, I'm also assuming you want it for other worlds too, where humans began appearing. There are two main reasons for this. 1. Time cannot be wound back based upon the laws of physics in this universe.2. Early fossils are exceedingly rare, trilobites are an exception, and for most we only have imprints of what once remained. At this point Gorgoroth, based on your grammar suddenly improving, I am under a hunch that you...actually this will get through to you much better. This is a classroom analogy[hide]A teacher is trying to teach a classroom full of kids the multiplication table and the teacher decides to use flash cards. On the day it begins the teacher holds up a flash card that says "2 x 3" and one of the children reply with the answer of 8, saying that the "3" is a "4". The teacher tells the child that the answer is wrong and tells the child that the number "3" is not a "4". The child then goes on to say that she heard this from another child's mother whom said it was a "4" and then proceeds to say that the teacher is calling her friends mother a liar. The teacher then proceeds to get a larger flash card with the same problem and then shows it to the class, but this time the child looks away, in effect this causes all the other children to look away as well, as well as cover their eyes while saying, "it's a trick, it must be a trick don't look at the cards everyone". [/hide] Can you guess what this analogy has in common with you Gorgoroth? Quote - Revenge is such a nasty thing that only breeds more vengeful souls, but in some situations revenge does not even need to be sought out, but only bided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatsilverwyrm Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I don't like to get into individual bible verses if I can help it, you get into all kinds of nit-picking that doesn't really lead anywhere. Gorgoroth: what proof do you have that your god exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Jay99 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Also, i would really much like it if someone could point me in the direction of a book/video or something that will prove to me that evolution is a fact. And when i say this i mean i want a description from the actuall Big Bang to the first cell and then each and every cell after that untill Human. Please and thank you.I find it kind of weird how you want a detailed explanation of how exactly evolution works even though you have already been provided with lots of information and evidence that proves evolution is at least very plausible considering the facts we have at the moment, but choose to believe in a simple "from the dust of the ground... and man became a living being." Yes, I did quote that from wikipedia and it's a simplified version of what genesis actually says, but the meaning should still be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamorakshadow Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Also, i would really much like it if someone could point me in the direction of a book/video or something that will prove to me that evolution is a fact. And when i say this i mean i want a description from the actuall Big Bang to the first cell and then each and every cell after that untill Human. Please and thank you. Wow, complicated. Good i like complicated stuff :thumbup: Now, this first video here shows not only A LOT of evidence for Evolution, but lists transitional fossils from primitive Jawless Fish to Humans:[hide]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nj587d5ies[/hide] Now, the history of the Universe, from Big Bang to us: Big Bang to Solar System:[hide] The Big Bang was an expansion of the Universe from a singularity that happened 15 bilhon years ago. We know it happened, because all predictions made on Big Bang Theory ( galaxies moving away from the same point, abundance of basic chemicals, background radiation) are right. In the beggining, the Universe was very hot, but as it expanded it started to cool down. The matter in that time used to be just loose protons, neutrons and electrons flying around, and once the Universe cooled, they joined togheter making Hydrogen and Helium. atoms. At that time, over 90% of all matter was HYdrogen, and the rest Helium.Gravity pulled Hydrogen and Helium togheter to form gigantic clouds. Someone who knows how stars form would know what happens next. Stars form when Hydrogen starts "fusion", and fusion only starts in extreme conditions. Inside the clouds, there was an enourmous heat and pressure, and the clouds were always spinning faster and faster, until Hydrogen entered fusion. "Fusion" is when two atoms fuse to form a heavier atom of another element, and releasing enourmous heat and energy in the proccess. When 2 atoms fuse in the cloud, the heat they release make closer atoms fuse, and the chain reactions makes the whole cloud become a star.The first stars formed a few milhons of years after Big Bang. Now, stars are the "element" factories in the universe. Fusion creates new heavier elements, and the Hydrogen fusion of the stars started creating all elements of the Periodic Table, Oxygen, Carbon, Iron, Sulphur, all known elements started being made inside the Stars. When the Hydrogen of the star ends, it collapses and blow up, throwing all theese elements into space, and the shockwave of the explosion makes near HYdrogen clouds spin faster, accelerating the procces of making new stars.Theese new elements started making everything we know: Metals made rocks, that formed asterois, comets and planets, Oxygen and Hydrogen made water, Carbon made organic molecules... Anyone with basic Chemistry knowledge knows how all theese elements make everything around us. 10 bilhon years after the Big Bang, our Solar System first formed out of a Hydrogen cloud and heavier elements.[/hide] Solar System to first forms of life: [hide]Our solar System formed just likeany other star and planets: A hydrogen cloud made a star, and the heavier elements created the planets. Our Sun formed 10 bilhion years after the Big Bang and formation of the first stars, so there was a lot of theese new elements. Our Solar System is very rich in both Water and Organic Molecules ( both very common in the Universe), and this is what would make life first appear. This video explains how life (possibly) first formed out of theese Organic Molecules:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg[/hide] Evolution of Early life:[hide] This series of videos explain how the Genetic Code, Meiosis ( "primitive sex"), "modern" sexual reproduction and the brain first formed after that unicelular vesicle formed in the primitive Earth. I'll have to leave them in link form, because there is a limit on how many media files we can put -.- Note that the creator of the videos also had a video on how multicelular life first formed, but he had to remove it, because it contained the results of a scientists research that were still unpublished. He is going to re-upload the video soon whitout theese unpublished results, though.Anyway, it is proven possible that unicelular life can form multicelular:There was an algae that in response to predation was OBSERVED to form multicelular life.[/hide] So, after multicelular life with primitive brains, sexual reproduction and a genetic code first formed, there is no limits to where Evolution can lead it to, especially since all of this formed Milhons, if not Bilhons of years ago. It would be a matter of time until creatures as complex as us would form. Since the first video i showed has a list of transitional species between primitive jawless fish and us, i don't think i need to explain anything more. I'll also link you to the first video of the "Made Easy" series of the Youtube user potholer54, that explains the History of the Universe from Big Bang to us: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 You will never bask in glory until you bask in the glory of God. To be without religion is a fool's way of life. ...Now i suggest that you stop your bashing of religions.Respect is a two-way street. Matt: You want that eh? You want everything good for you. You want everything that's--falls off garbage can Camera guy: Whoa, haha, are you okay dude? Matt: You want anything funny that happens, don't you? Camera guy: still laughing Matt: You want the funny shit that happens here and there, you think it comes out of your [bleep]ing [wagon] pushes garbage can down, don't you? You think it's funny? It comes out of here! running towards Camera guy Camera guy: runs away still laughing Matt: You think the funny comes out of your mother[bleep]ing creativity? Comes out of Satan, mother[bleep]er! nn--ngh! pushes Camera guy down Camera guy: Hoooholy [bleep]! Matt: FUNNY ISN'T REAL! FUNNY ISN'T REAL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgoroth Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Alright. I a appalled by all of you. After i have contradicted myself....50 times?, made stupid comments, remaks and statements you still continue to believe that i am acutally serious in what i was saying? I have read through the bible twice in my life (yes, from the first page to the last), i have been to churches and camps and functions. With each day my doubt grew. "And as I departed so I shall return for all the world to see." Well Jesus has to be one pretty big mother [bleep]er if he expects hundreds of countries, billions of people to see him, at exactly the same time. The Bible has more inconsistansies and more flaws than my spelling and grammar, and that alone tells me that something is off. I am 19 years of age. I have been able to think logic about "god" for atleast 7 of those years. The thought of a higher being, at this stage of my life, does not really concern me. When reading a Bible i feel quite disgusted by the thought that the "god" that created me only did so for his own glory. I am merely an item used for his pleasure. I am not allowed to indulge, have sex, go wild without constant fear that my socalled maker will smite me for my deeds. Living with such thoughts can be very tiring and puts one on an enormous guilt trip. I'm not saying that the thought of a higher being is totally insane. I am sure there has to be some kind of higher power to keep the balance and peace. What i am saying is that if there was such a god that i don't think i want anything to do with it. I feel that living my life for someone else is wasting my life all together. I do however not totally agree with evolution either. The thought that we are all the result of 1 cell is still something i cannot wrap my mind around. Things such as the laws of gravity still does not make sense to me. The fact that we might be the only living life form (or rather the only planet with life) still confuses me. Maybe i am just at the stage of my life where i am able to think logic about both sides and also have my doubts about both. Now i am not saying that we just all magically apeared on earth but what i am saying is that i don't really care about how i came to be. Having to worry about that every day is not something i want to do. I would much rather close my eyes to religion and to the big bang and just accept that i am here now and one day i wont be, so lets have a [bleep]ing party. I do not think religion is bad thing though. It has givin many people hope, false hope perhaps, but hope none the less. It has proven to be an amazing bond between nations. But on the other hand it has also proven to be the peril of nations. Look at the middle east if you want your example. Now all of the comments i have made (from the 1st to the last) will seem like a total troll fest. I did have a reason for doing so. I tried proving a point that although the one has more evidence to be true than the other, the latter has more followers making it an oftem more believable story. And the fact that they have not yet been able to give a complete family tree from the first to the last cell will always confuse many, myself included. But like i said. I do not believe the Big Bang anymore than i do any religion. If there was a god out there, why be so scared to make himself visable again? Would this not be easier than trying to fight an unwinable battle? I do thank you all for replying on each and every one of my posts. Although no one has made me change my state of mind i think that i have learned a great deal about both religion and the big bang.As for now i think the best way for me to look at it is just to live each day like I want to. If a higher power doesnt like it i ask him to make it known. Thank you.~Slaytanicc~ **Thanks to Boo_Boy666 for my amazing Singnature**[hide=Slaytanicc's Achievments]|99Cooking achieved 24Dec 2008|99Strength achieved 17Feb 2009|99Hit Points achieved 8April 2009||99Defense achieved 29May 2009|99Attack achieved 2August 2009|99Ranged achieved 14August 2009|[/hide][hide=Guides by Slaytanicc]Aviansie Maging + Ranging Guide (Must Read!!)Iron Mining + Banking GuideGreen Dragons GuideAnkou Slaying Guide[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamorakshadow Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I do however not totally agree with evolution either. The thought that we are all the result of 1 cell is still something i cannot wrap my mind around. Have you watched the videos i posted in response to you? Or even read my response at all ( please do read it, took some time to write that :evil: )? Abiogenesis is proven possible, and it is also proven possible that this "1 cell" can form Multicellular beings with sexual reproduction ( which accelerates Evolution, a lot), complex genetic code and a primitive brain.And all of thoose formed over 2 bilhon years ago. Bilhons, if not trilhons of other generations made theese things more and more complex in theese 2 bilhon years of Evolution. The idea of everything being the result of a simple cell evolving is pretty wierd, but the experiments show it is possible. Good to see that you are a rational human being though :thumbup: Yay for Agnostics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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