Average Multiple Runes At Each Level

[Youmu]

Can anyone confirm that double deaths, double laws, triple cosmics, triple chaos or any other amounts over what we had had before do exist or not???????

 

It is commonly believed that the previously non existant still don't work :)

They seriously should fix this. :(

[WhiteFang]

I've been doing a nature rune run recently and figures out that I crafted 1k ess into nats and gained a total amount of 1,4k nats.

 

this is aprox 40% more then you would receive before the "extra runes" update.

 

So I started thinking around, and figure out a basic formula to get the maximum amount of extra nats you receive rc'ing.

 

For nats we know you get 1x at lvl 44.

For nats we know you get 2x at lvl 91.

I am runecrafting lvl 61.

 

91 - 44 = 47

61 - 44 = 17

 

17 / 47 = 0,36

0,36 * 100 = 36

 

My conclusion is simple, I have a 36% chance to gain extra nats, I crafted aprox 1k ess and gained aprox 1,4k ess, coudl be slightly less as I didn't do exact easurements on crafting the runes.

 

I think the formula is kinda close to what it is in reality.

 

Also, I crated law runes, which don't have a 2x multiplier, and I didn't gain any single "extra" law rune while crafting, therefore I consider any runes crafted without a next multiplier (1x to 2x, 2x to 3x, 3x to 4x etc) will not allow you to gai nextra runes.

 

So I guess after 91 for nats you will not gain any extra nats as there is no 3x multiplier for nats.

 

[edit]

 

Something new I figures to my theory:

 

I have 28 inventory slots, using 3 pouches, having each 3, 6 and 9 ess (total of 18 ess), leaving 25 free slots for ess.

As you get to the altar, you craft your 25 ess into nats.

 

36% of 25 = 25 / 100 * 36 = 0,25 * 36 = 9

 

with my 25 ess, I gain a maximum of 36% extra nats, which results in 9 extra runes at max.

 

9 extra runes at max, 9 runes represent a 100% extra nats I would gain, which is very unlikely to happen, so I started thinking of a possible formula.

Let's say I make 50% of the extra nats, so I'd make 4,5 (rounded up a bit makes 5 nats).

 

Doing the same calculation on the remaining 18 ess in my pouches which you craft separated from these 25 ess, this is what you get:

 

36% of 18 = 18 / 100 * 36 = 0,18 * 36 = 6,48... rounded down (as rs likes to round down) makes 6 extra nats.

 

again these 6 represent 100% extra nats, let's say I make again 50% extra only, so I make 3 extra nats.

 

25 nats + 18 nats + 5 extra nats + 3 extra nats = 51 nats

 

Indeed, I can confirm I prety often made 51 nats...

 

doing some more thinking, I came up with this:

 

as 9 nats are 100%, 1 nat is 11,11%, so if I have made 0 extra nats, I'd have 0% chance to fail making an extra nat, so I make 1 extra atleast.

Having made 1 extra nat, I have 11,11% chance to fail making a 2nd extra nat.

Having made 2 extra nats, I have 22,22% chance to fail make a third extra nat.

etc etc...

Having made 5 extra nats, I have 55,55% chance to fail making a 6th extra nat, this is fairly much fail chance, a 55% fail chance, so it's likely impossible you'd make 6 extra nats.

 

so basicly, I think this could be a possible formula or calculation to how much nats we make on average aswell as minimum and maximum.

 

I just guess with ome logical thinking, I am not certain, nor is it confirmed by jagex or any other tests I performed doing altar runs, I just based off some logcal thinking and the 1 run I made myself which made me start thinking about it :P

[Aneron]

Idk if this data is valuable at anyone to this point, but at 88 rc (4,432,540 xp) I average 91 natures/57 ess

[sees_all1]

I'm convinced that experience DOES NOT MATTER, therefore I won't be posting my experience anymore.

 

I crafted another 1k ess into air runes at 72 runecrafting

 

First 500: 3676 (176 extra in 500)

Second 500: 3669 (169 extra in 500)

 

For a total of 7345. That's a 34.5% average extra air runes per essence.

This data is EXTREMELY close to the data I took before, I was only off by 1 air rune.

 

 

If you come up with a formula, please try and make it appropriate for ALL types of runes at ALL levels. That way, you can test it with my data.

[Vann]

I still have the spreadsheet semi filled in (only for members runes: chaos, cosmic, nature and astral)... If i can get some more participation ill finish it (got formulas in there, just need more data)... so feel free to PM me on here or just post here... Or if you have IRC my nick is `Vann and you could tell me on there..

 

@Sees_all1: once I get a formula that works for the 4 members runes then I can apply it to the f2p runes, there are just too many runes to do for all at once.

 

peace,

Vann

[Youmu]

I'm convinced that experience DOES NOT MATTER, therefore I won't be posting my experience anymore.

 

I crafted another 1k ess into air runes at 72 runecrafting

 

First 500: 3676 (176 extra in 500)

Second 500: 3669 (169 extra in 500)

 

For a total of 7345. That's a 34.5% average extra air runes per essence.

This data is EXTREMELY close to the data I took before, I was only off by 1 air rune.

Did you use the Explorer's Ring 3 while crafting those runes?

 

Also, kinda off topic. I noticed that the Explorer's Ring gives, on average, 10% more runes than usual. I noticed this, because before this update, I crafted 1k essence into 5099 air runes. It's like I crafted 1.1k essence instead of 1k essence.

 

Is this system still the same with the new multiple runes?

[sees_all1]

I'm convinced that experience DOES NOT MATTER, therefore I won't be posting my experience anymore.

 

I crafted another 1k ess into air runes at 72 runecrafting

 

First 500: 3676 (176 extra in 500)

Second 500: 3669 (169 extra in 500)

 

For a total of 7345. That's a 34.5% average extra air runes per essence.

This data is EXTREMELY close to the data I took before, I was only off by 1 air rune.

Did you use the Explorer's Ring 3 while crafting those runes?

 

Also, kinda off topic. I noticed that the Explorer's Ring gives, on average, 10% more runes than usual. I noticed this, because before this update, I crafted 1k essence into 5099 air runes. It's like I crafted 1.1k essence instead of 1k essence.

 

Is this system still the same with the new multiple runes?

 

To be perfectly honest, yes I did have an explorers ring on for that data set.

However, you get experience with each extra rune you craft with the explorer's ring, so when I got done with 1k ess, I was confused why I had gained 10490 xp (10 for each ess for FoG gloves, so 490 extra).

 

The data I posted took that into account, I actually ended with 98 more runes than stated.

 

 

All the other times I remembered to take off the explorer's ring. Its all the same, really, as long as you remember it.

 

 

 

Good job thinking about that, glad you brought that up before someone posted bad data.

[Reztral]

73 Runecrafting. 6800 nats made from 5000 pure essence. 36% more.

[sees_all1]

73 runecrafting. 1k ess crafted into 7403 air runes.

3702 the first 1/2, 3701 the second.

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT:

73 runecrafting. 1k ess crafted into 4518 water runes

2250 waters the first 1/2, 2268 waters the second.

[sees_all1]

74 runecrafting. Crafted 1k ess into 4567 waters

2287 crafted first 500

2280 crafted second 500

 

 

74 runecrafting. Crafted 1k ess into 7462 airs

3732 crafted first 500

3730 crafted second 500

 

 

BTW- can everyone else post their data? It seems I'm the only one doing this.

[sees_all1]

I'm giving this a bump because of today's updates.

 

Could everyone PLEASE craft 1k essence of whatever rune of your choice (preferably nature rune for members, air rune for f2p)

Then post here your level, and the number of runes you crafted.

1k essence is enough to get a VERY accurate number of the actual proportion of extras.

 

It'll take 20-30 minutes of your time, but will the community out tremendously.

[Guest TrixStar]

I posted this in the other thread this morning

 

96 RC made 10 trips for both deaths and laws. I averaged 70 death per trip and 80 law per trip

[sees_all1]

I posted this in the other thread this morning

 

96 RC made 10 trips for both deaths and laws. I averaged 70 death per trip and 80 law per trip

 

Do you have exact numbers?

[Guest TrixStar]

Details:

97 runecrafting

 

Using 54 essence per run. 52 on the broken pouch run.

 

Starting exp 10,767,781

Ending exp 10,778,281

 

10 Death Rune runs

 

54 essence each trip except for 1 w/damaged pouch 52 essence

 

72

67

67

65

74

66

61

63 broken pouch trip<

72

68

 

 

10 Law Rune runs

 

78

85

76

73

70

85

75

82

72

77

[sees_all1]

thank you very much!

 

I'll probably do another run of airs and waters tonight @ rc lvl 75.

[Codguy]

When I get a chance, I'll do a bit of Runecrafting of Deaths and Bloods, to see what I end up getting. And I'll do more than just 1k at a time, since I am a pro nolifer Rcer :P

 

And when I was 84 Runecrafting, I averaged approximately 1.513 natures per essence, or 51.3% chance of making a double Nature rune. Don't hold me to that, as that was back in November or so, and I don't have any of the number remaining. But I do know for sure it was slightly over 51%.

[Giordano]

I got a few extra runes every third or fourth trip. Not too bad; it's a very nice little addition.

[sees_all1]

Level 75 runecrafting

Crafted 1k ess into 7532 air runes

first 500:3749, second 500:3783

 

Crafted 1k ess into 4605 water runes

first 500:2295, second 500:2310

 

level 71 - .277 extra airs per ess

level 72 - .345 extra airs per ess

level 73 - .403 extra airs per ess

level 74 - .462 extra airs per ess

level 75 - .532 extra airs per ess

 

level 73 - .518 extra waters per ess

level 74 - .567 extra waters per ess

level 75 - .605 extra waters per ess

[Jehosaphat]

Level 62 runecrafting

Crafted 1k normal ess into 6396 air runes

So about a 39.6% chance of crafting an extra air rune without the lummy ring.

[sees_all1]

Level 75 runecrafting.

 

1k ess into 7547 airs

3787 first 500, 3760 second 500.

 

 

1k ess into 4620 waters

2307 first 500, 2313 second 500

 

I'll do another run closer to but before 76 runecrafting. Its interesting to note that both ended with more runes... if it happens again at a higher exp, I might have to change my sample size (get a confidence interval of +/-5 instead of +/-30)

[sees_all1]

Level 75 runecrafting (actually, started with <13.8k until 76)

 

Crafted 1k ess into 7545 airs

3760 runes first 500

3785 runes second 500

 

 

Crafted 1k ess into 4576 water runes

2298 runes first 500

2278 runes second 500

 

 

 

Will do lvl 76 after I get 20k gop tokens :P

[sees_all1]

Alright, I'm bumping this.

This isn't hard to do anymore. It takes literally 5 minutes to do a test now, thanks to dungeoneering.

 

Craft 2000-3000 ess in a dung level (after a boss, grab all gp and stuff to sell back) into something, and post your result.

 

8661 ess into 65845 air runes, 7.602 airs / ess at level 76 (have a very very very small margin of error).