Hegemony Argument Thread

[archimage_a]

Ok, I wrote a post earlier(but because I wanted to roll everything together, didn't post it...) but basically it talked about orbital bombardment, so its not me proposing a different idea for the hell of it. Anywho, there are 26 planets at the end:

 

Orbital Bombardment I agree with, but I think that if you are planning on destroying all life on a planet you are gonna need something a little bit more heavy duty than lasers and missiles.

After there are only so many missiles on a ship and only so much damage they can do. Lasers, the same... (In moderator reference I would say that 500,000 people per ship per year(As a game dynamic more than a real life example))

Maybe some kind of bombardment module?

Tier 1 kills 5 million a year

Tier 2 kills 25 million a year

3 kills 125 million a year

4 kills 625 million a year

5 kills 3 billion a year

(You would assume that a population over 500,000 would have cellers they could hide in, over 5 million would have bunkers, and so on and so forth)

 

Fairly expensive as a module and would be a priority target for defenders.

 

Also, how about a self-destruct module for planets(not planet destroying but enough to blow up all the infrastructure and such on a planet)?

Or even a planetary shield module, to help limit the damage of orbital bombardment?

 

Also, have been thinking about planet-ship combat....I think it should just be attritional, ie a planet with missile turrets and laser cannons and ect can kill X number of ships per year.

But only if there are ships in orbit to defend it. If it is undefended then the ships can destroy the ground based stuff instantly, unless there is a shield, which would just cancel both of them out.

 

 

Planet-Planet combat(within the same system) would probably be too inefficent to begin with(Sublight missiles would take years to get across the solar system and could easily be intercepted during that time), but if you were to research high enough level Engine Modules(speed) then you could fit missiles with those engines and do some damage. But it would still be pretty inefficent.

I think that a large, established planet, could kick off a newly colonised planet, or one that was just a few years old, but I think that should be as far as things should go.

 

Asteriod settlements and moon bases should act like an immobile fleet...it should have a tetris grid, crew and modules(no speed ones obvouisly). Since the grids would be fairly large they could probably dispatch small fleets by themselves, but would struggle against larger ones.

 

 

Planets:

http://users.aber.ac.uk/lug9/hege/planets/

(Please note that most of them are still copy protected(I am in the process of removing that protection(they are mine, but the hosting site doesn't want 'everyone' accessing stuff, so I have to manually change them to allow))

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[a_bert]

All good ideas Archi, and they fit nicely into the system.

 

I'd suggest that the bombardment module replaces attack on that ship, and reduce the numbers a bit so you can't just have one bombard ship, they need to infringe on your fleet in some form.

 

Have to be honest, planet-planet combat seems a bit ludicrous to me but if it's there and people want to use it so much the better.

[archimage_a]

Well the reason the numbers are SO high is that the resource price would SO high...meaning only 1 or 2 would be used...meaning that you couldn't just mass attack people with them(I send in 500 orbital bombardment ships, 450 are destroyed, I then use 50 to wipe out your planet) but at the same time arn't so wimpy that its easier to just use normal ships. (I think the 500,000 should be shrunk though)

[a_bert]

They're only 120k more than a standard battleship, in exchange for killing a huge population?

[archimage_a]

What are only 120k more? I didn't mention any numbers, since that is your field.

[a_bert]

I thought you said 500,000 people to construct? :P

 

But ok, I'd throw out a module cost of 5 million resources each per tier, 5 years per module.. Seems reasonable, I think.

[Seraphi]

Or, you could have a bombardment module which is stronger (not too much stronger, but noticably stronger) versus planets than a regular weapon, but can't be used against normal ships. You can have weapon modules as well, but the bombardment modules would take up quite a lot of room, making the ship weaker against ships, but good at attacking a planet.

 

So we introduce another tradeoff.

[a_bert]

To my understanding that's what the plan was

[Earth]

s there any way to put this in laymans terms?

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all planets.

[archimage_a]

In layman terms....Put Orbital Bombardment Module on ships to attack planets, but careful because weak against ships....its pretty simple....

[Earth]

okay... i meant the rest of it.

[Seraphi]

Looking good Archi.

 

I assume you're prepared to make more if necessary, since you did those so quickly.

[archimage_a]

Well any specific quotes you are having trouble with? Since most of it was about that.

 

 

Edit: Can do Ross.

[archimage_a]

Ok, I will do that. Unless someone else wants to?

[a_bert]

By entire do you mean every single aspect of the game?

 

Module = upgrade to your ship or platoon. They take up X by Y space on a 5v5 grid, per unit.

What don't you understand about the attack types?

 

Archi, go for it.

[archimage_a]

Ok then people this will take some time.

[Seraphi]

I assume bigger ship = Bigger grid and smaller ship is smaller grid?

[a_bert]

Haven't worked it out that finely yet.. At the moment everything is very simple otherwise people will inevitably moan about there being simply too many options!

[archimage_a]

Totally Explained

Some Assembly Required.

 

Space

Space, isn't that big. It takes 1 year to move from system to system, but you can only move on red lines, so sometimes it will take two or three years to reach your destination

There are 6 systems with 4 other systems waiting to be discovered as the game moves forward.

 

There are usually 6 planets per system, which are all the same.

White rings are astroid belts.

 

 

Getting Started

 

Race:

Planet:

Population:

Any other info:

 

Any other info is for you to tell people about your race/culture and do the general roleplaying element, you don't have to fill this in to play. However the other three are requirements.

Population is 1,000,000,000 or lower.

You may chose any planet that does not currently have another race on.

 

Thats that done.

 

Getting Setup

Your planet has a grid, which we call a Tetris Grid. All planets have the same sized Tetris Grid(100 by 100) unless the moderator has said otherwise. The Tetris Grid is made up of squares, which we call slots.

The Planet's Tetris Grid can be filled up with Buildings. Buildings are anything you have researched and agreed with the moderator is a building, there are 5 default buildings which you can build from the start.

(See Buildings)

 

It is probably a good idea to check your ships now. You will only have Battleships researched at this stage, so your will have a 5 by 5 Tetris Grid to fill up with Modules.

Modules are things that boost your ship, making it more or less powerful in different ways. There are 5 default modules that you can build from the start, but many more can be researched.

(See Ship Types)

(See Modules)

(See Stats)

 

Finally you will need to check your army. You can decide how many of your population you want to turn into soliders and how much training they need. There are 6 types of training you can give soliders.

(See Training)

 

Thats that done.

 

Keeping Together

It is a lot easier to work these things out once a week and then forget about them. Redesigning ships, planets and setting training targets for squads can happen once a week and then be forgotten about. You may want to update them whenever you research new technology, but thats about it otherwise.

(See Upgrading)

 

Buidlings

The default buildings are:

Missile Defence Tower- This can destroy 1 Battleship per year and takes up 1 slot.

It costs 3,000 Metal Ore, 500 Uranium and 500 Chemicals.

Training Academy- This can train 1 Squad per year and takes up 2 slots.

It costs 10,000 Metal Ore, 4,000 Medicine and 500 Equiptment.

Command Center- This is your colonial hub, if it is destroyed you cannot train new units or build new buildings until it has been repaired. It takes up 4 slots.

It costs 50,000 Metal Ore, 10,000 Medicine and 2,000 Uranium.

Research Insitute- This generates 1 research point per week and takes up 2 slots.

It costs 5,000 Metal Ore, 30,000 Uranium, 80,000 Organics and 5,000 Chemicals.

Medical Center- This converts organics and chemicals into medicine.

It costs 8,000 Metal Ore, 5,000 Uranium and 500 Organics.

Manufacturing Center- This converts metals and uranium into equiptment.

It costs 30,000 Metal Ore, 10,000 Uranium and 2,000 Chemicals.

(See Resources)

 

Some Buildings have Tiers, which can be researched though Research Points.

(See Research Points)

 

Ship Types

There are 10 types of ship:

The Battleship- It has a 5 by 5 Tetris Grid and comes with 5,5,5,5 Stats. As well as 50,000 population.

It costs 100,000 metal ore, 75,000 uranium, 50,000 chemicals, and 25,000 equipment.

The Heavy Battleship- It has an 8 by 8 Tetris Grid and comes with 8,8,8,8 Stats. As well as 60,000 population.

It costs 600,000 metal ore, 300,000 uranium, 250,000 chemicals, and 125,000 equipment.

The Super Heavy Battleship- It has a 12 by 12 Tetris Grid and comes with 12,12,12,12 Stats. As well as 80,000 population.

It costs 1,000,000 metal ore, 500,000 uranium, 600,000 chemicals, and 300,000 equipment.

The Cruiser- It has an 20 by 20 Tetris Grid and comes with 20,20,20,20 Stats. As well as 60,000 population.

It costs 1,500,000 metal ore, 750,000 uranium, 900,000 chemicals, and 400,000 equipment.

The Heavy Cruiser- It has a 24 by 24 Tetris Grid and comes with 24,24,24,24 Stats. As well as 100,000 population.

It costs 1,800,000 metal ore, 900,000 urainium, 1,000,000 chemicals, and 450,000 equipment.

The Super Heavy Cruiser- It has a 28 by 28 Tetris Grid and comes with 28,28,28,28 Stats. As well as 120,000 population.

It costs 2,000,000 metal ore, 1,100,00 uranium, 1,100,000 chemicals, and 600,000 equipment.

The Dreadnought- It has a 40 by 40 Tetris Grid and comes with 40,40,40,40 Stats. As well as 100,000 population.

It costs 2,500,000 metal ore, 1,900,000 uranium, 1,400,000 chemicals, and 750,000 equipment.

The Heavy Dreadnought- It has a 45 by 45 Tetris Grid and comes with 45,45,45,45 Stats. As well as 140,000 population.

It costs 2,900,000 metal ore, 2,200,000 uranium, 1,500,000 chemicals, and 800,000 equipment.

The Super Heavy Dreadnought- It has a 50 by 50 Tetris Grid and comes with 50,50,50,50 Stats. As well as 160,000 population.

It costs 3,500,000 metal ore, 2,800,00 uranium, 1,900,000 chemicals, and 900,000 equipment.

The Pinacle- It has a 0 by 0 Tetris Grid and comes with 1000,1000,1000,1000 Stats. As well as 1,000,000 population.

It costs 10,000,000 metal ore, 5,000,000 uranium, 4,000,000 chemicals, and 20,000,000 equpiment.

(See Stats)

(See Resources)

 

Modules

The 5 default modules are:

Attack- This gives the ship +3 to the attack stat, but -1 to the defence stat. It takes up 4 Slots.

It costs 5,000 Metal Ore, 5,000 Uranium and 1,000 Equipment.

Defence- This gives the ship +3 to the defence stat, but -1 to the attack stat. It takes up 4 Slots.

It costs 10,000 Metal Ore, 500 Uranium and 500 Equitment.

Speed- This gives the ship + 3 to the speed stat, but - 1 to the teamwork stat. It takes up 4 Slots.

It costs 1,000 Metal Ore, 5,000 Uranium and 5,000 Equiptment.

Teamwork- This gives the ship +3 to the teamwork stat, but - 1 to the speed stat. It takes up 4 Slots.

It costs 11,000 Organics.

Colony Module- This lets you deploy a new colony on a new planet. Troops can also be carried in the module. It takes up 25 Slots.

It costs 50,000 Metal Ore, 50,000 Chemicals, 25,000 Organics and 25,000 population.

(See Stats)

(See Resources)

(See Colonisation)

 

All modules have Tiers, which can be researched with Research Points.

(See Research Points)

 

Modules must be able to fit into the ships they are being input into.

(See Ship Types)

 

Stats

Space:

Stats are how good your ship is at a task and can be written like this 5,5,5,5.

The first number is the ship's attack stat, the second is the defence stat, the third is the speed stat and the forth is the teamwork stat.

Stats are used in working out combat.

(See Space Combat)

 

Land:

Stats are how well trained your squads are and can be written like this 5,5,5,5.

The first number is the squad's Bravery, the second is the squad's Fortitude, the third is the squad's Courage and the fourth is the squad's Leadership.

Stats are used in working out combat.

(See Land Combat)

 

Training

A Squad costs 10 Population and 1 Equipment.

 

There are 6 types of training:

Basic- +4 Bravery, +4 Fortitude, +4 Courage, +4 Leadership

It costs 10,000 Organics and 10,000 Medicine. You can only train this once.

Bravery- +3 Bravery, -1 Fortitude

It costs 20,000 Organics and 20,000 Medicine. You may train this 5 times.

Fortitude- +4 Fortitude, -1 Bravery

It costs 20,000 Organics and 20,000 Chemicals. You may train this 5 times.

Courage- +3 Courage, -1 Leadership

It costs 20,000 Organics and 20,000 Metal Ore. You may train this 5 times.

Leadership- +3 Leadership, -1 Courage

It costs 20,000 Organics and 20,000 Medicine. You may train this 5 times.

Advanced Training- This allows your squad to learn another path, in addition to their current path.

It costs 25,000 Organics the first time you train it, 125,000 Organics the second time you train it and 625,000 Organics the third time you train it. You may train this 3 times.

 

Your Soliders will start out at 1,1,1,1.

They will stay like this until you train them up.

Basic training will bring them up to 5,5,5,5.

After you must choose a path for them to develop down.

If you choose to give them Advanced training then you may train them in another path as well, and another and another.

 

Upkeep

Just about everything you send off planet will cost your something in upkeep. For ships this will be:

 

The Battleship- 10,000 metal ore and 1,000 uranium per year.

The Heavy Battleship- 20,000 metal ore and 2,000 uranium per year.

The Super Heavy Battleship- 30,000 metal ore and 2,000 uranium per year.

The Cruiser- 50,000 metal ore and 4,000 uranium per year.

The Heavy Cruiser- 60,000 metal ore and 5,000 uranium per year.

The Super Heavy Cruiser- 7,000 metal ore and 5,000 uranium per year.

The Dreadnought- 10,000 metal ore and 6,000 uranium per year.

The Heavy Dreadnought- 12,000 metal ore and 7,000 uranium per year.

The Super Heavy Dreadnought- 14,000 metal ore and 8,000 uranium per year.

The Pinacle- 100,000 metal ore and 100,000 uranium per year.

 

Research Points

Research points allow you to upgrade pre-existing technologies to their next level. They cannot research new technologies though.

Not all technologies can be upgraded like this, but many can and will increase the effect of the module or building. This effect can be bad as well as good, since negative numbers are also increased.

 

Research

Research is conducted automatically by your people. You can research up to 5 different projects, which can be on any subject you like. You cannot always leap into a research subject though, most of the time you will need to have some background knowladge gathered by your scientists. There are two types of research; Pure Research and Applied Research.

Pure Research will rarely discover a new module or building but may open up new branches of applied research which you can then research.

Applied research will almost always discover a new module or building as well as occationally opening up new branches of research.

 

When you launch a research project the moderator will tell you how long it will take and what the likely results are.

 

Research may sometimes fail to achieve results and may sometimes run over-budget. Over-budget research is research which is taking longer than expected but will probably still yield results.

 

However you may also get breakthroughs, which means you discover the technology earlier than you were expecting.

 

Resources

 

All resources require at least 1 population to produce per year. While most resources can be harvested there are two resources which must be produced via buildings.

Resources can also be scavanged from space battlefields, but without specialist equipment the payout will be low.

 

There are 6 types of resource.

Metal Ore - which can be harvested.

Uranium - which can be harvested.

Chemicals - which can be harvested or produced.

Medicine - Which can be produced

Organics - Which can be harvested or produced.

Equipment - Which can be produced.

(See Planets)

 

Planets

Almost all planets are the same. Your homeworlds or Starting Planets, are different in that they have less resources.

Starting planets have 750,000 of each resource, Metal Ore, Uranium, Chemicals and Organics, and will replenish 125,000 per year. This means that if you mine a planet to nothing each year you will

 

recieve 125,000 new resources, as long as you have that many people assigned to collect them.

If you do not collect them then they are left lying around.

All other planets start with 1,000,000 of each resource, Metal Ore, Uranium, Chemicals and Organics, and will replenishes by 250,000 each year. This happens even when the planet isn't being harvested.

 

Planets can support a maximum of 1,000,000,000 population each.

 

Planets that have more than one person on will generate resources in proportion to the land you control.

 

All planets regenerate at the end of each year, so attempts to destroy them will fail

(See Other Combats-Endgaming)

 

Colonisation

Colonisation must be done with a colony module and will deploy 25,000 population to the new planet. You can send multiple colony modules, so this is not a limit on how many people you can place on a planet to start with.

When a colony module is deployed your new population will set about building a command center, which will take 1 year to complete. This is when your colony is most vunerable from attack, so keeping a fleet in orbit and troops on the ground is a good idea.

 

Your population will increase by 10% per year until it reaches 1,000,000,000.

 

Colonial Rule

Unlike your Starting Planet you will probably have less people than you know what to do with and so rather than producing the maximum per year, you will produce some propotion of that.

Metal Ore, Uranium, Chemicals and Organics will all be harvested at a rate of 1 resource per person.

Medicine requires a building and 1 worker, 1 Chemical and 1 Organic per resource created.

Equipment requires a build and 1 worker, 1 Metal Ore and 1 Uranium per resource created.

 

Also soliders cannot work.

 

Space Combat

Space Combat will begin whenever two fleets are in a system and there is not a peace treaty between them.

 

The attacker and defender chose tactics before the attack begins, and if there is a level of destruction which would result in the fleet retreating to a safe planet or system.

 

There are three types of attack, Blitz Attack, Mass Attack and Hit and Run.

Blitz means your strengh is your attack stat times two.

Mass Attack takes your attack and times it by your teamwork.

Hit and run takes your attack and times it by your speed.

 

Generally it is a good idea to take your highest two skills and attack with those two times together.

 

There are three types of defence, Elastic Defence, Defence Tactics, Hold the Line.

Elastic Defence is your Speed times by your Defence.

Defence Tactics is your Defence times two.

Hold the Line is your Defence times your Teamwork.

 

With defence it is normally good idea to pick the opposite defence to that of your opponates attack. If your stats arn't built for that type of defence you should go with your strongest defence type.

 

 

A Green line means the Attacker doubles their stats. A Blue Line means the stats stay the same. A Red Line means the Defender doubles their stats.

 

 

You can choose your tactics by PM otherwise the moderator will roll on it.

 

Once all this has been done, the moderator will work out who wins and tell you the ships destroyed or captured.

 

Land Combat

Land Combat will begin whenever two soliders are in the same area and there is not a peace treaty between them.

 

The attacker and defender chose tactics before the attack begins. Attempting to retreat is not an option.

 

There are three types of attack, Blitz Attack, Mass Attack and Hit and Run.

Blitz means your strengh is your Bravery stat times two.

Mass Attack takes your Bravery and times it by your Leadership.

Hit and run takes your Bravery and times it by your Courage.

 

Generally it is a good idea to take your highest two skills and attack with those two times together.

 

There are three types of defence, Elastic Defence, Defence Tactics, Hold the Line.

Elastic Defence is your Courage times by your Fortitude.

Defence Tactics is your Fortitude times two.

Hold the Line is your Fortitude times your Leadership.

 

With defence it is normally good idea to pick the opposite defence to that of your opponates attack. If your stats arn't built for that type of defence you should go with your strongest defence type.

 

 

A Green line means the Attacker doubles their stats. A Blue Line means the stats stay the same. A Red Line means the Defender doubles their stats.

 

You can choose your tactics by PM otherwise the moderator will roll on it.

 

Once this has been calculated by the moderator, they will reveal who wins and which squads have been destroyed.

 

Other Combats

These combats are different from normal combats in one way or another.

 

Orbital Bombardment:

Orbital Bombardment can be conducted with any ship, but the damage to populations is negligable without Orbital Bombardment Modules, which have to be researched.

 

 

Virus Bombing:

There are 4 types of Virus, all of which must be researched and all of which have 1 vaccine which can only be researched after the Virus has been researched, even if you have been Virus Bombed.

Virus Bombing requires a Virus Missile Module and the Missiles can be intercepted, shot down or stopped by ships, planetary shields and missiles, repectively. As well as some researchable

 

technology.

 

Propaganda Bombing:

This is only avaliable if you are on part of the planet and another race is on another part of the planet and you wish to take control of that part of the planet. Propaganda is very weak, but you

 

may choose to employ it. You may research other methods of delievering propaganda which may be more or less successful.

 

Endgaming:

Blowing up planets is not possible. However Planet Busters can be researched(after a very long research campaign), which destroy everything on a planet, as well as all the resources currently there. However the next year the resources will replenish at their normal rate. The Planet Buster is a missile and so can be stopped by conventional means.

Another method to destroy all the buildings and resources on a planet is to build a Self-Destruct Building(This must be researched). This has the same effect as the Planet Buster, but cannot be intercepted, however the building must be built on the planet, and so cannot be used unless you already control part of the planet.

 

Planet-Ship Combat:

A planet can launch an attack on ships, as long as it is protected from their retaliation by a fleet of its own. If a planet is unprotected its ability to attack, along with all the buildings neccessary to do this, are destroyed instantly.

Planets may also build planetary shields, which protect the planet from attack by ships, but prevent the planet from attacking as well. A shield can be broken but takes a lot of firepower to do so.

 

Planet-Planet Combat:

Planets which attack each other must be in the same system. Also Planet-Planet attacks are unlikely to succeed. However a pre-existing colony can easily destroy a newfounded colony, so long as there is no fleet to protect it.

 

Cyborgs, Drones, Androids and Aliens:

They are allowed, but their training must be researched. There only real difference is their starting Stats and their resource requirements.

 

Naval and Tank Combat:

1 Naval Ship or 1 Tank costs 10 equipment and 10 population to build, start with 2,2,2,2 and cannot be trained beyond this. Marine Squads can be researched.

 

Nuclear and other WMDs:

Are included in normal weapons. If new WMDs are researched then the moderator will deal with them as and when.

 

 

I think that is pretty much everything. There should be more pictures but I am ill(again, it seems to happen every time a big projet comes up...annoyingly) and need to go to sleep. So toodle pip all.

[VEGHATERMEATLOVER]

Thats too complicated :(.

[a_bert]

1) Did you mean to say systems, as opposed to planets, in that early sentence?

2) At the start, all populations are equal. Everyone starts with 10,000,000 people. Growth rate of 5% means an increase of 50k per year. (Right?) Otherwise we have fleets of thousands within a week. Too hard for everyone to keep track of. Even that seems a bit high. We only got to our planets in colony ships as the last remnants of humanity..

3) I may have missed it, but I don't think I did - It takes 1 year to transfer a ship between systems and you can only travel along the red lines.

4) Awesome job, Arch.

[Earth]

that is not on laymans terms..

[The_Mather1]

Your planet has a grid, which we call a Tetris Grid. All planets have the same sized Tetris Grid(100 by 100) unless the moderator has said otherwise. The Tetris Grid is made up of squares, which we call slots.

The Planet's Tetris Grid can be filled up with Buildings. Buildings are anything you have researched and agreed with the moderator is a building, there are 5 default buildings which you can build from the start.

(See Buildings)

I'm fine with everything except this.

 

There must either be six 100x100 (making each planet a die) or at least 600x100 sheet supposed to be a roll on which the poles are just holes.

[a_bert]

I don't really see the need for a grid for a planet, to be honest, Arch.

 

All planet developments are just in research anyway.