You don't have to be scared of homosexuals. They are just like you. They do all the same things, have the same aspirations, feel the same emotions, and in all other ways are exactly like heterosexuals except that they are sexually attracted to members of the same sex.

 

My priest told me that if the state recognized marriage as the union between two individuals, that the church would probably separate itself entirely from the legal process - getting married in the church would no longer make your marriage legally recognized, and vice-versa (making it a pain in the neck to get married as a Catholic).

You are scared! But there is nothing to be afraid of. It is alright. Everything's going to be OK. Let me comfort you: legalizing gay marriage isn't going to make it harder for you to get married or take away any rights from heterosexuals in any way.

 

Newsflash: no one is trying to hurt you! No one wants to take away your rights. You are the only one who wants to take away others' rights. Maybe this is why you are so afraid; if gays were the majority you think they would not let straights marry. But you are wrong to think that everyone is scared like you. Gays aren't scared. It takes courage to come out as gay in the United States.

 

Actually, no. For one, you went to public school obviously. If you really study history, you would know that America *Is* a Christian nation. One need read no further then the writings of our founding fathers to see that.

No. The United States is a secular nation. In The United States the government is supposed to treat individuals equally no matter if they are religious or if they are not. Saying otherwise shows immense ignorance of the most important document in United States law.

 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Not that I want to get involved in this, but the Freedom of religion clause was intended to prevent the government from forcing a certain state religion down everyone's throat, not to separate it from certain guiding principles that may stem from a particular religion. Besides, there wasn't that much religious diversity (especially in the US) back then outside of different denominations of Christianity and perhaps a few atheists.

 

Anyway, I could care less what the state says about "marriage." I'm getting married in a church under the eyes of God(or so to speak, for those of you who believe (or rather don't believe) otherwise), I could care less whether the state says I'm married to a person or not. So should it be for gays and straights alike. Live and let live, ya know.

Not that I want to get involved in this, but the Freedom of religion clause was intended to prevent the government from forcing a certain state religion down everyone's throat, not to separate it from certain guiding principles that may stem from a particular religion. Besides, there wasn't that much religious diversity (especially in the US) back then outside of different denominations of Christianity and perhaps a few atheists.

 

Anyway, I could care less what the state says about "marriage." I'm getting married in a church under the eyes of God(or so to speak, for those of you who believe (or rather don't believe) otherwise), I could care less whether the state says I'm married to a person or not. So should it be for gays and straights alike. Live and let live, ya know.

 

That is how it should be. But currently, the government gives certain benefits to married couples, which homosexuals unfairly miss out on.

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES.

 

This makes me extremely happy. I'm an avid supporter of gay rights, and I'm crossing my fingers.

 

 

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I live in virgina, yay for homophobia.

 

 

And tbh I don't know how I feel about gay marriage, by definition it IS a man and a woman. But definitions change all the time.

 

 

The institution of marriage has increasingly become more and more trash over the past 10 years. And its not just gays wanting to marry, its divorce, its premarital relations, its extramarital affairs, impure materials to impure actions.

 

 

I wonder how long it'll take for someone to try and marry their dog. Probably in 20 years.

 

Sorry if my beliefs aren't popular. No, actually, I don't apologize that my beliefs aren't popular, because I'm saddened that they're not. And don't try to tell me that I'm just intolerant, ignorant, or prejudiced. You who are politically correct offend me.

 

 

Anyhow, you know why the Supreme Court ruled that the court dialogues weren't to be put on YouTube? It's because they feared for the safety and the well being of those who testified. Keep that in mind if you chose to reply to me; I'd hate to see the highest court in the land be right for once.

 

As big Gay Al so eloquently stated in South Park, freedom is a two way street. If us Gays want to have the right to marry, you have the right to disagree. You get my respect for saying that on such a liberal forum.

Actually, no. For one, you went to public school obviously. If you really study history, you would know that America *Is* a Christian nation. One need read no further then the writings of our founding fathers to see that.

No. The United States is a secular nation. In The United States the government is supposed to treat individuals equally no matter if they are religious or if they are not. Saying otherwise shows immense ignorance of the most important document in United States law.

 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Just because they're supposed to doesn't mean it happens. Lets just set a few things straight. Most of the people in this country are Jewish/Christan/Muslim, these all stemmed from the same religion of Judaism which came first. I haven't really studied Islam or Judaism that hard, but i'd assume they'd all have the same views on homosexuality. So even if the government isn't officially Christan, a majority of the voters are, or some form of it.

Just because they're supposed to doesn't mean it happens. Lets just set a few things straight. Most of the people in this country are Jewish/Christan/Muslim, these all stemmed from the same religion of Judaism which came first. I haven't really studied Islam or Judaism that hard, but i'd assume they'd all have the same views on homosexuality. So even if the government isn't officially Christan, a majority of the voters are, or some form of it.

 

Just wanted to point out the main three aren't Christainity/Judaism/Islam but rather Christain/Athiest-Agnostic/Judaism, followed by Buddhist and then Islam. Also wanted to point out on this topic that the United States was the first nation to have no official religion.

I think a total separation of church and state would be a good solution. Having civil marriage available for everyone as the only means of achieving legal recognition and benefits. There's no reason a specific church should have the power to issue legally binding contracts, and there's no reason the State should discriminate sexual preferences, especially based on what are mostly religious arguments.

 

This separation already exists in some places. It would only need to be extended and have the State offer equal protection to everyone.

You're quite arrogant for your use of sarcasm and what you might have thought was you giving me a lesson. If you were truly a Catholic you wouldn't go around reprimanding people in public like they were your child and act like you wrote the catechism. How dare you use sarcasm to hint at me not knowing that, as I along with my entire family have been banished from our country of origin, formerly being part of the gubernacula, because we refused to surrender our faith. You're suppose to be a bringer of peace, not confrontation, although you war hawkish ones are too busy trying to kill heathens rather then set good precedents.

 

You brought being Catholic into this. I wanted to make sure you didn't misrepresent the Church's teachings. I apologize if I sounded sarcastic, or like I was directly attacking you.

 

 

You don't have to be scared of homosexuals. They are just like you. They do all the same things, have the same aspirations, feel the same emotions, and in all other ways are exactly like heterosexuals except that they are sexually attracted to members of the same sex.

 

My priest told me that if the state recognized marriage as the union between two individuals, that the church would probably separate itself entirely from the legal process - getting married in the church would no longer make your marriage legally recognized, and vice-versa (making it a pain in the neck to get married as a Catholic).

You are scared! But there is nothing to be afraid of. It is alright. Everything's going to be OK. Let me comfort you: legalizing gay marriage isn't going to make it harder for you to get married or take away any rights from heterosexuals in any way.

 

Newsflash: no one is trying to hurt you! No one wants to take away your rights. You are the only one who wants to take away others' rights. Maybe this is why you are so afraid; if gays were the majority you think they would not let straights marry. But you are wrong to think that everyone is scared like you. Gays aren't scared. It takes courage to come out as gay in the United States.

 

Who said I was scared? As it is, it takes more courage to take a stand against liberalism and being "politically correct." It takes more courage to "say it like it is", have beliefs and stand up for them than to let others decide for you.

As far as "no one is trying to hurt you", This is not directly attacking me, but its attacking things I believe in.

 

 

To the very title of this thread - "US Gay Marriage Ban Challenged in Federal Court - Gays fight the power in California"

I think its ironic that the "power" they're fighting are the 51% that voted against gay marriages.

 

@Nick_6464

You're intolerant, and you're just as bad as those who "hate gays for being gay". Just because you support the gay side doesn't mean you get a free pass on intolerance.

Intolerance is acceptable, I don't know where you're getting it isn't. We're intolerant of child molestors, murderers, cults, etc, etc. We have to pick sides. Where as I don't have a problem if you believe in an invisible pink unicorn or not, it is pretty ridiculous to pass that onto the real world. Religion's kinda like a video game. Don't get addicted to it in real life.

Just because they're supposed to doesn't mean it happens. Lets just set a few things straight. Most of the people in this country are Jewish/Christan/Muslim, these all stemmed from the same religion of Judaism which came first. I haven't really studied Islam or Judaism that hard, but i'd assume they'd all have the same views on homosexuality. So even if the government isn't officially Christan, a majority of the voters are, or some form of it.

 

Just wanted to point out the main three aren't Christainity/Judaism/Islam but rather Christain/Athiest-Agnostic/Judaism, followed by Buddhist and then Islam. Also wanted to point out on this topic that the United States was the first nation to have no official religion.

You interpreted my post wrong. I'm saying since all those religions came from one source that the all have similar values and make the largest group if lumped in together. As for the official religion, I was saying since a large group of the U.S. is Jewish base that the laws proposed, passed, and followed, are based of the values and views of the majority.