Alright I fixed both of those. The first part turned out to be unimportant in the actual calculations, but I fixed the prayer bonus thing. Since proselyte and Verac's skirt has similar defence to Bandos, I just considered that to be controlled. Turns out Bandos is STILL a lot better than SGS, even when disregarding interest.

I see some huge flaws in the math you present here. Look over these -- I saw the same mistakes in the claws and the Bandos calculations.

 

First, you say that each spec gives 15 prayer points and 300 hp, meaning 180 prayer points and 1200 hp per hour. The mistake there should be obvious.

 

Then, you say that the SGS saves 15k in potions and 5k in food, for a total of 30k saved per hour. You say later that it saves 20k per hour. Make up your mind which numbers you want to try and use. Again, obvious mistake is obvious.

 

The next flaw I see is that Bandos will not give a player +2 prayer -- any sane person who's not using Bandos and is using Turmoil will use at least Verac's Skirt, probably along with Proselyte Plate, so you'll LOSE a prayer bonus by using Bandos, making it more expensive.

 

I'm not even going to work out the numbers on that -- you do it again and see what you come up with.

 

EDIT: Also, you refer to Bandos as "claws" at least twice -- could you make it more obvious you didn't do much more than copy and paste with slight changes to the formulas?

Not really. I am quite sane, yet I don't use SW cape, or V skirt all the time when I'm praying. Last abby demon task, I turmoiled the whole task, and used 10 p pots for 180 abby demons. Also, I was slightly AFK at times, and I only have +9 prayer. Increased speed is worth the extra 1-2 p pots I used.

 

Agree with blade. Bring a few more food, and an extra prayer pot, and save bandos, use claws.

 

Qeltar, not to rain on your picnic, but I'm going all the way back to your user talk page on RS Wiki in 2007, and even back then you act like a stuck up arse. Don't just claim things. Give numbers and proof.

 

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Qeltar

I see some huge flaws in the math you present here. Look over these -- I saw the same mistakes in the claws and the Bandos calculations.

 

First, you say that each spec gives 15 prayer points and 300 hp, meaning 180 prayer points and 1200 hp per hour. The mistake there should be obvious.

 

Then, you say that the SGS saves 15k in potions and 5k in food, for a total of 30k saved per hour. You say later that it saves 20k per hour. Make up your mind which numbers you want to try and use. Again, obvious mistake is obvious.

 

The next flaw I see is that Bandos will not give a player +2 prayer -- any sane person who's not using Bandos and is using Turmoil will use at least Verac's Skirt, probably along with Proselyte Plate, so you'll LOSE a prayer bonus by using Bandos, making it more expensive.

 

I'm not even going to work out the numbers on that -- you do it again and see what you come up with.

 

EDIT: Also, you refer to Bandos as "claws" at least twice -- could you make it more obvious you didn't do much more than copy and paste with slight changes to the formulas?

Not really. I am quite sane, yet I don't use SW cape, or V skirt all the time when I'm praying. Last abby demon task, I turmoiled the whole task, and used 10 p pots for 180 abby demons. Also, I was slightly AFK at times, and I only have +9 prayer. Increased speed is worth the extra 1-2 p pots I used.

 

What were you using instead of the skirt/soul wars cape?

+9 prayer would be fire cape, fury, and bandos. I'm not sure if fire cape is worth using over SW cape though.

As a general rule it isn't. However, I was after speed, and didn't care about using an extra prayer pot.

+9 prayer would be fire cape, fury, and bandos. I'm not sure if fire cape is worth using over SW cape though.

 

And in my post I said "Any sane person NOT WEARING BANDOS" will use Verac's skirt/proselyte plate.

Or full prossy. Don't need the defense for tasks like abby demons.

bladewing, your analysis is not terribly convincing. Try actually doing some controlled tests with and without a +4 strength bonus -- I have, and the actual difference is less than the margin of error.

I have done controlled tests, but okay. The increase in utility is small, but much greater than that of SGS. You still have yet to refute the uselessness of SGS.

 

Don't give me any of this "it's hawt <3<3" crap I see all the time with SGS and DFS.

I own one of the oldest SGSes in the game. Bought it three days after GWD came out, when few players recognized its potential. I've used it for so many things I couldn't even list them all; I have no need to justify its utility.

 

SGS provides large advantages in routine combat by saving good and prayer, allowing you to use cheaper food and beasts of burden instead of healing familiars. Very useful at Barrows, where it can replace prayer pot doses. Has all the advantage of all godswords, including crush mode, high strength, ability to cut through high defence, and +8 to prayer. Provides a "cushion" on Slayer tasks if you run a bit low on health and don't want to bank. Handy at the giant mole. Useful in countless other ways.

 

Bandos? Provides a microscopic strength bonus. That's it.

 

I bet you also think berserker rings are way better than warrior rings. ;)

I NEVER use a healing familiar on any task. Don't need it. SGS is useless there. For prayer? Not worth it either. Increased speed is worth the few extra prayer pots a day I use. Not to mention BCP is amazing for 2.5x briding, and tassies are great for ranging aviansies, just as examples.

 

Not to mention, at higher levels, zerker is better then warrior.

I have no need to justify its utility.

Nice argument there :thumbdown:

 

SGS provides large advantages in routine combat by saving good and prayer, allowing you to use cheaper food and beasts of burden instead of healing familiars.

I've already shown that the SGS saves 30k per hour in food and potions while slaying, and shown how much more beneficial dragon claw specials are. Check.

 

Very useful at Barrows, where it can replace prayer pot doses.

Dragon Claws are better at Barrows. The ability to KO either Karil or Ahrim before your prayer ticks is much better than 15 prayer points, and ALSO speeds up your runs, equating to more chests/hour and more profit. Check.

 

Has all the advantage of all godswords, including crush mode, high strength, ability to cut through high defence, and +8 to prayer.

While godswords have their uses as primary weapons (team GWD and TDs), for slayer or training an abyssal whip with a rune defender is better. For waterfiends, an SS is better. For high level dragons a ZS is better. If you are using both turmoil and a deflect prayer, you'll be saving no more than about 22k in prayer potions per hour over an abyssal whip with defender. Check.

 

Provides a "cushion" on Slayer tasks if you run a bit low on health and don't want to bank. Handy at the giant mole.

Soulsplit is a nice cushion if you're low on health, and it is free and doesn't waste special attacks. "Not wanting to bank" could be remedied by bringing the correct supplies. Claws would be better at the giant mole, to reduce the number of times he burrows and therefore the amount of time a kill takes. Check.

 

Bandos? Provides a microscopic strength bonus. That's it.

Calling something microscopic doesn't change the fact that its effect is 5-6 times larger than the even more microscopic savings an SGS gives. Check.

 

I bet you also think berserker rings are way better than warrior rings. ;)

It is at any place I would be using a slash weapon, so yeah I guess it would be way better since warrior rings have no use to me. The only place I choose accuracy rings over the berserker ring is while stabbing mithril dragons or the corporeal beast. Check.

 

Refuted all your arguments, got any more?

While this topic has become incredibly informative, I'm skeptical as to how any of this applies to the OP, who is far from maxed combat. If he/she were maxed, I would say definitely go for Bandos and claws (though this is more efficient, I would personally buy the SGS; I've always wanted one). Given that the OP has 70 prayer and relatively low defense, I would be very surprised if he could use bandos, claws, a combat familiar, and piety, and not have to bank at least once most tasks, which is not good.

 

For convenience, and until you have much higher stats, I would say go with the SGS.

bladewing: You know what you can do with your "checks". I'll not waste time arguing with someone who behaves as you have here.

 

I stand by my record for doing scientific testing. Everyone can choose to believe what they wish.

Got any scientific data on the SGS that would prove it's worth using?

What scientific testing did you have in mind? I honestly can't even figure out what you are on about here. Are you suggesting the use of dragon claws as a regular weapon (not just for its spec) instead of a whip or GS? Or what?

It was half mocking your claims to supporting your stance towards the SGS with supposed "scientific testings". Despite the lack thereof, you maintain that it's the best special weapon for slayer.

 

The other half was wishful thinking, trying to bait you to support your claims with evidence and/or logical arguments. Unfortunately you have failed to surprise me.

I ask you what sort of testing you had in mind, and you respond with nonsense. Okay.

SGS:

The SGS gives for me a free 5% or 10% free strength prayer bonus on an average task. That is constantly.

It also allows for that extra bit of healing, that sometimes is just worth its weight in gold. And sometimes you actually are in need of healing and of prayer boosting. And you have the perfect solution in your inventory!

 

 

D claws:

I have had D claws. They always sat in my bank. I sold them at one point.

 

Bandos:

I have it. I use it. But lately I usually wear Verac skirt instead of Bandos tassets. For some weird reason I prefer prayer bonus over strength bonus. Because for me the prayer bonus does seem to have a visible effect.

 

I guess if you are 92 prayer or something you don't need an SGS. But then again do you need anything? In the old age predating godswords and summoning, I went to 80 slayer without even guthans. People would call you insane if you do that now. But guthans was 12M back then, which was still a lot of gp at that point in time.

 

Why purchase a SGS? It is the one piece of combat equipment that has given me the most satisfaction in my entire runescape career, besides the whip and the slayer mask/helmet. And that is just priceless.

 

For bandos armour there are viable alternatives.

at 80 and under combat stats, I vote for SGS.

 

Personally, I take both Claws and SGS on my tasks. I normally use claws for the spec, but if I need the healing, I'll use SGS instead.

 

 

TBH, I think people are taking this situation way to deep. Is it really worth spending so much time argueing and calculating over a game like Runescape?

at 80 and under combat stats, I vote for SGS.

 

Personally, I take both Claws and SGS on my tasks. I normally use claws for the spec, but if I need the healing, I'll use SGS instead.

 

 

TBH, I think people are taking this situation way to deep. Is it really worth spending so much time argueing and calculating over a game like Runescape?

 

The people taking it too deep were the Maxed Combaters except Qeltar who did a good job proving everything that Bladewing said wrong.

 

To the Topic Poster: As I said before - Go with the SGS

 

Oh and V Skirt stood for verac skirt. It has both better defence and prayer bonus than tassets and only costs 1.8M instead of 24 or so M :) Therefore save the money, go with the things that give you better defence and don't cost as much, and go with the SGS.

I wouldn't say I proved everything he said wrong. What he said was a confusing jumble; he'd need to be more clear about what he's claiming to prove it right or wrong.

at 80 and under combat stats, I vote for SGS.

 

Personally, I take both Claws and SGS on my tasks. I normally use claws for the spec, but if I need the healing, I'll use SGS instead.

 

 

TBH, I think people are taking this situation way to deep. Is it really worth spending so much time argueing and calculating over a game like Runescape?

 

The people taking it too deep were the Maxed Combaters except Qeltar who did a good job proving everything that Bladewing said wrong.

 

To the Topic Poster: As I said before - Go with the SGS

 

Oh and V Skirt stood for verac skirt. It has both better defence and prayer bonus than tassets and only costs 1.8M instead of 24 or so M :) Therefore save the money, go with the things that give you better defence and don't cost as much, and go with the SGS.

 

You confused son. Queltar gave NO proof, blade did.

OK well thanks to everyone who posted their opinions, it really helped a lot. I ended up selling my bandos for the saradomin gs, because everyone's argument against it was that there are much better ways of getting healed, like soul split or using a healing familiar. The problem is that I can't use any of thoes, so I decided that more healing is what i need for now, and when I get high enough lvls for other methods of healing, then I can always go back to bandos, or might have accumulated enough money for both. But for now I'm happy with my SGS. Thanks again to everyone.

Did you consider the Enchanted Excaliber for healing? It heals 200 lps every 5 minutes and provides a boost to your defence. The increased defence SHOULD lead to you taking less damage and therefor saving $ on food.

 

Best of all........it is FREE. (Well, you have to do a diary to get it.)