Ok, so after i get done crafting all of my rune essence, I will have about 30mil. So is it worth selling my full bandos to get a sgs? or is an sgs even worth all that money? should I get dclaws instead? The reason I ask is that I want to start training slayer, and also camping waterfiends and i heard that sgs makes trips to waterfiends much longer. thanks

Yes. SGS will be much worth while for your slaying than Bandos ever could be. It means that you can reduce the cost of food, bunyips/unicorns and that of prayer pots. If you get an SGS I'd advise pietying all slayer tasks.

 

Bandos doesn't really have any uses in game cept for increasing your max hit at an extremely high cost of gp.

Ok, in that case then what kind of armor should I replace bandos with?

You'd have to be out of your mind to do that. SGS sucks for slayer. Claws are much better. The only places that SGS is any good are Waterfiends and Tormented Demons.

 

Keep the bandos and buy claws.

SGS is useless for slayer, claws or EE is much better.

You'd have to be out of your mind to do that. SGS sucks for slayer. Claws are much better. The only places that SGS is any good are Waterfiends and Tormented Demons.

 

Keep the bandos and buy claws.

 

Bandos really is a waste of money though tbf. You are paying 20M more just for the strength bonus a Berserker ring gives you....... Logic please? Also another thing is that the defence of Barrows armour is actually better than that of bandos? Ok, so lets get this straight right now...... You want him to keep armour that costs - 24m a piece, that gives the same strength bonus as a berserker ring that's not imbued and has worse defence than barrows armour, instead of a Godsword that heals lp and prayer points allowing him to survive longer on tasks? I think someone has been a high level that can afford everything for too long :shame: With his stats he doesn't NEED bandos. Actually no one should need bandos.

 

SGS is remarkably good spec weapon for slayer though. It heals and restores prayer. Some people actually live on the SGS with a combat familiar and things like that and no food. So you can't tell me that SGS is useless. But surprise surprise you're another maxed combat person who thinks they know best because they're a higher level. You no longer have a clue about someone at 80 melees and what they might need.

 

 

 

to the poster: a good setup (Considering if you piety every task) would be V skirt and Prosy plate along with weapon, gloves, helm, ammy, cape, and boots of choice really. Oh and if you really want the strength bonus you'll miss from the Bandos then get yourself a Berserker (i). Only costs ~40M less than tassets and BCP and has the same strength.

 

EDIT: Actually, it has +2 more strength bonus that Tassets, so therefore you're paying ~40m less for a ring that outstrips BCP and Tassets. IMHO SGS would be worth it for you.

I finish dark beast tasks with my bandos, dfs, and sgs.

 

No prayer potions, no food, no familiars.

 

End of task: Full hp and full prayer.

 

But haters gonna hate.

Say you already have a berserker ring. But you still want more strength bonus, what do you do? You can't equip another ring. So you buy bandos. I would never suggest bandos before a berserker. Your argument would have me use a rune scimitar because paying 70k for +22 strength on a dragon scimitar is dumb when 22 strength only costs 500 from a mithril scimitar. It's all about marginal bonuses.

 

And paying 70m for a sword that'll save you 3k in food and prayer every 5 minutes kinda sucks.

 

to the poster: a good setup (Considering if you piety every task) would be V skirt and Prosy plate along with weapon, gloves, helm, ammy, cape, and boots of choice really. Oh and if you really want the strength bonus you'll miss from the Bandos then get yourself a Berserker (i). Only costs ~40M less than tassets and BCP and has the same strength.

 

EDIT: Actually, it has +2 more strength bonus that Tassets, so therefore you're paying ~40m less for a ring that outstrips BCP and Tassets. IMHO SGS would be worth it for you.

 

Is Vskirt verac or void?

 

and i do already have fury, breserker. So then would sgs out weigh claws?

No, claws are always better than SGS for anything but Waterfiends and Tormented Demons.

Depends if you want to save money now or in the long run.

 

D claws at slayer: You gotta bring inventory slots for healing, and prayer if you need prayer for the task.

 

Sgs at slayer: Heals you, and the prayer restore takes care of any other healing you need if you flash soul split. And it's free! You gotta pay for other healing items, Prayer pots are 10k a pop, 330 gp for a unicorn healing scroll!

No, claws are always better than SGS for anything but Waterfiends and Tormented Demons.

 

If you have 92 prayer, then I can see your argument. Otherwise, without the ability of Soul Split, you're going to either rely on food, healing familiars, or protection prayers without an SGS, which depending on what you're killing can be difficult.

Personally i like using the sgs with barrows instead of have bandos and no sgs. Its spec is very useful and I like boss hunting and pretty much everywhere u need a gs, so it works out good. I would for sure say sell your bandos for it. Bandos imo is not that great and is nice if you dont have or want to spend the money on somthing else. These are my thoughts, but they come with personal experiance with both items.

Depends if you want to save money now or in the long run.

No, not really. Say you play 5 hours a day, and spend 4 hours of that slaying, and you use combat prayers. SGS will save you 15 prayer points and 300 hp per 5 minutes (full bar, averaging 300 damage per spec). But, you only save 100 hp more than if you used an SGS. This equates to 180 prayer points and 1200 hitpoints per hour. This saves a player 15k in prayer potions and 5k in food. 30k saved per hour. So you play 4 hours a day, so you save 80k per day with the SGS. However the SGS costs 35m more than dragon claws. If we completely disregard the combat benefits of the claws, you lose interest on that 35m. If you can manage 1% a day (VERY easy, you can get 10% in two 4-hour periods), you lose 350k a day by owning an SGS over a dragon claws.

 

So even without considering Dragon claws' use, SGS saves you 80k a day but you forgo 350-3,500k a day.

 

When you add in the fact that every 5 minutes you get to increase two attacks of your Abyssal whip's average hit of about 280 (320 in Kuradal's) to 625 (785 in Kuradal's) with dragon claws, or 690 (930 in Kuradal's) free damage per bar. So every hour you get about 3.3k free damage (4.5k in Kuradal's). If you assume you're getting the BEST tasks for xp (in which Claws make the least difference, to be conservative), you'd be getting about 120k xp outside and about 160k xp inside. Claws will save you about 99 seconds per hour outside and 135 seconds per hour inside. and If you assume 3m/hour (VERY conservative for someone with the requirements to get these rates), you'll save 82.5k worth of time (112k in Kuradal's). On TOP of that, you'll be making about 27k (37k in Kuradal's) in drops per hour.

 

So here's what claws do, per hour: 109.5k, 149k inside Kuradal's. If you slay for 4 hours (as assumed), you'll save and/or earn 438-596k a day. Beats the 80k of SGS or the 350k of 1% interest. Claws are always better than SGS for slaying. The more you play per day, the better claws become over the interest rate, too.

 

tl;dr: Claws are 6-7 times better than SGS.

 

EDIT:

No, claws are always better than SGS for anything but Waterfiends and Tormented Demons.

 

If you have 92 prayer, then I can see your argument. Otherwise, without the ability of Soul Split, you're going to either rely on food, healing familiars, or protection prayers without an SGS, which depending on what you're killing can be difficult.

I assumed you were going to use food in place of SGS. Otherwise the healing argument is about worthless since flashing soulsplit takes 0 prayer.

I assumed you were going to use food in place of SGS. Otherwise the healing argument is about worthless since flashing soulsplit takes 0 prayer.

 

I was talking about for someone WITHOUT soul split. The problem with using food is that it takes up inventory spaces. For example, if you want to kill abyssal demons with piety, a task of 200 takes ~3 super sets and 13 prayer potions using an SGS. Without one, you either need to bring a beast of burden so you can carry food and potentially drops, or use a bunyip, which doesn't allow you the extra room to actually carry drops until you've gone through a few potions. With Soul Split, yes, the whole thing becomes a moot point, but if you don't have it, getting all the healing you need can be difficult. I can survive many tasks using just an SGS, no healing familiar or food needed. I will admit that I don't have any personal experience using claws, but it seems that it would be difficult to have all the healing you need for any given task without soul split.

I finish dark beast tasks with my bandos, dfs, and sgs.

 

No prayer potions, no food, no familiars.

 

End of task: Full hp and full prayer.

 

But haters gonna hate.

 

Haters are going to hate because they've done the math SGS isn't worth the slight healing. Get claws. With spec rest pots, they are even better.

 

Killer, banking takes under 10 mins a day for extra food, if you slay quite a bit a day. Thats not worth the extra 70m. Just get EE if you need healing, or claws for DPS.

And if you happen to be slaying and see a person with low health? Lend them the sgs, instant reputation!

 

Or you know, you can lend them your claws which does nothing for their hp situation.

As far as godswords go, the SGS is the only one I would say its worth selling your bandos for. But from past experience its probably better to keep the Bandos for now. Its more useful for slayer and you claws would be a fine alternative as far as special weapons go. For waterfiends it helps, but you might as well just stick to an SS or ZS

And if you happen to be slaying and see a person with low health? Lend them the sgs, instant reputation!

 

Or you know, you can lend them your claws which does nothing for their hp situation.

 

That situation is not only so rare, but really so laughable as well, that I can't believe a sentient being would actually use it as an argument against proof about the utility of an object.

 

That's saying, it could be useful to others, so get it!

And if you happen to be slaying and see a person with low health? Lend them the sgs, instant reputation!

 

Or you know, you can lend them your claws which does nothing for their hp situation.

This has to be the most pathetic argument I've ever seen. You would give up 100k an hour to have one person say "thx" to you? If you ran across one person a day (4 hours) who was in this situation, you would be giving up 320k for one "thx". I guarantee you could get many more thanks by just taking that 320k and giving it out to many people. Your argument is so weak I don't even. Also that person could discard your SGS, making you run to the bank to get it back.

 

One more benefit of claws: easier to lend out with junk at higher rates than an SGS.

The SGS is, overall, the single most useful weapon in the game. Not at every place, but in most places.

 

Bandos provides a strength bonus that makes almost no difference in practice.

 

You decide.

The SGS is, overall, the single most useful weapon in the game. Not at every place, but in most places.

 

Bandos provides a strength bonus that makes almost no difference in practice.

 

You decide.

Care to substantiate that and/or refute my post? Declaring truth by fiat is a great way to look like an asshat :thumbdown:

Care to substantiate that and/or refute my post?

Not particularly, no. I wasn't addressing SGS versus d claws, but SGS versus Bandos armor. I haven't tested d claws directly against other weapons yet. Some of your numbers also seem a bit dubious to me.

 

There is more to the value of a weapon, incidentally, than just raw damage per hour. What the SGS buys is convenience and flexibility.

What is flexibility? The number of places you can use an item? Well, SGS has two uses more than Dragon Claws, waterfiends and Tormented Demons. AND you can lend dragon claws for an SGS, so Dragon Claws are just as "flexible" and cost less in forgone interest.

 

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Now Bandos vs. SGS

 

We'll assume 5 hours a day, and 4 hours of slaying again. SGS will save you 15 prayer points and 300 hp per 5 minutes (full bar, averaging 300 damage per spec). But, you only save 100 hp more than if you used an SGS. This equates to 180 prayer points and 3600 hitpoints per hour. This saves a player 15k in prayer potions and 15k in food. 30k saved per hour. So you play 4 hours a day, so you save 80k per day with the SGS. However the SGS costs 20m more than full bandos. If we completely disregard the combat benefits of bandos, you lose interest on that 20m. If you can manage 1% a day (VERY easy, you can get 10% in two 4-hour periods), you lose 200k a day by owning an SGS over bandos.

 

So even without considering Bandos' use, SGS saves you 80k a day but you forgo 200-2,000k a day.

 

With Bandos you get to increase each attack of your Abyssal whip's average hit of about 274 (314 in Kuradal's) to 284 (324 in Kuradal's). This equates to an increase in xp/hour of 3.6% (3.1% in Kuradal's). If we assume the 3m income again, Bandos saves a player 108k/hour (93k/hour in Kuradal's). On top of THAT, bandos will give you 3.6% (3.1%) faster kills per hour, giving you an extra 36k (31k) in drops per hour. However, Bandos has -10 prayer less than Proselyte and Verac's Skirt. If the player only uses turmoil and has 95 prayer, and wears SW cape and fury, Bandos will cost 187 prayer points per hour, which equates to about 15.5k/hour.

 

So here's what Bandos does, per hour: 128.5k, 108.5k inside Kuradal's. If you slay for 4 hours (as assumed), you'll save and/or earn 434-514k a day. Beats the 80k of SGS or the 200k of 1% interest. Bandos are always better than SGS for slaying. The more you play per day, the better Bandos becomes over the interest rate, too.

 

tl;dr: Bandos is 5-6 times better than SGS.

I see some huge flaws in the math you present here. Look over these -- I saw the same mistakes in the claws and the Bandos calculations.

 

First, you say that each spec gives 15 prayer points and 300 hp, meaning 180 prayer points and 1200 hp per hour. The mistake there should be obvious.

 

Then, you say that the SGS saves 15k in potions and 5k in food, for a total of 30k saved per hour. You say later that it saves 20k per hour. Make up your mind which numbers you want to try and use. Again, obvious mistake is obvious.

 

The next flaw I see is that Bandos will not give a player +2 prayer -- any sane person who's not using Bandos and is using Turmoil will use at least Verac's Skirt, probably along with Proselyte Plate, so you'll LOSE a prayer bonus by using Bandos, making it more expensive.

 

I'm not even going to work out the numbers on that -- you do it again and see what you come up with.

 

EDIT: Also, you refer to Bandos as "claws" at least twice -- could you make it more obvious you didn't do much more than copy and paste with slight changes to the formulas?