Hegemony

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:huh: Am I missing something here...Two people just left Hegemony....WITHOUT BAWLQUITING! There is something majorly wrong here.

 

Head for the hills, the apocolypse is nigh!!!

 

 

 

Ps. Doom, I will do it as soon as, but it won't be tonight.

[The_Mather1]

Meh, tok'ra? Wouldn't be any if there was no Ra, to be tok

Sorry, I don't speak Stargate.

I meant 'The Good Snake People'

like cyanide, there'd be no time for a vaccine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxycobalamin#Cyanide_poisoning

Also a Vaccine is administered BEFORE exposure...

 

But why are chairs disallowed?

Reasons below

They only work as a neural cotrol interface

Reason 1

, unless you're talking about the early repository of knowledge,

Reason 2

Well, this is easy; you ask questions, answer them and make tasty snacks.

 

repositories of knowledge, which are useless unless made by a more advanced race.

Hmmm, unless of course you develop some kind of copying tool and suddenly education means going to the magic wall slot once in your life

 

Drones= Could mean anything

Particle magnums= No

Lifesign detector= Could mean anything

Gateships= If you build stargate and sent a ship through it...it would be a gateship....I am not sure exactly how that would be different from a ship that goes through a stargate...

The tok'ra were the good goa'uld, yes, their name means litterally Against Ra, but if there was no Ra, there'd be no tok'ra.

But ok, bad example for the toxin, what I ment that it instantaniously kills any goa'uld or jaffa exposed to it, it can't be prevented.

The early repository of knowledge was so... dangerous I wouldn't even considder it, any chair would be solely for the pourpose of controling a ship's systems.

Drone weapons.

Lifesigns detector.

And with gateships I mean small, fighter-like things capable of entering a 6.7 meter stargate.

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The tok'ra were the good goa'uld, yes, their name means litterally Against Ra, but if there was no Ra, there'd be no tok'ra.

I didn't really want to learn Stargate talk...

 

But ok, bad example for the toxin, what I ment that it instantaniously kills any goa'uld or jaffa exposed to it, it can't be prevented.

If it can't be prevented and kills instantly then it is OP....

 

The early repository of knowledge was so... dangerous I wouldn't even considder it,

Well Universe doesn't actually say it is deadly, it just says the one person who used it failed miserably....

Also, emphasis on the 'Early'...Hegemony has a way of researching things to 'Late' fairly quickly...

 

any chair would be solely for the pourpose of controling a ship's systems.

Can you please stop putting OUs where there should just be Us... Its slightly annoying...and the opposite of difficult.

It just looks bad....Like if I randomly put e after every word ending with a Y....

Anywho, having a Battleship that can be controlled by one person isn't really in the spirit of the game, could be easily abused and is overpowered...I can explain if neccessary.

 

Drone weapons.

Torpedoes...Yes

Auto-seeking...No

Multiple Impact Sites...No

Stargate destroying capable...No

High Energy cost...Yes

Capable of melting all known matter...No

Recall-Refire Capable...No

Dodging...Yes

Wireless Energy Transfer...No

Hundreds of Thousands...No

Capable of Destroying Ships Instantly...No

Pointlessly Long Term Firing Sequence...No

 

Lifesigns detector.

Yeah sure why not. I would just go with a Tricorder or a Psi-Scanner

 

 

And with gateships I mean small, fighter-like things capable of entering a 6.7 meter stargate.

I don't really get what you are asking...A Stargate can transport matter across the universe....why would it be incapable of transporting one type of fighter, but not another? As long as it could actually fit through the gate(With the proper research you could make it any sized you liked, scaling costs to match), and didn't exceed the ship/gate limit I can't really see a problem with it...to be honest...

I don't know, it just seems like your asking 'Can I make a blue line with a blue pen?' and I am half expecting you to then go and declare that everything written with a red pen is a lie...

[VEGHATERMEATLOVER]

Elections today over here, I can't vote though.

Who are you voting (if you are) for Archi?

 

Real life things are overpowered like black mamba poison, I'm not on a computer (on a bus) so I don't know the full conversation but if aliens are allowed why wouldn't goa'ulds be allowed, if there overpowered or whatever it looks like there is discussion of more stargate things which are possible.

Archi, he could probably make a particle magnum with a huge energy source?

And yeh, there stargates - there's no difference between stargates and matter gates at all, and if so it's either something that doesn't make any difference to how it runs.

Someone said ban stargate, that's just stupid and unfair.

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Who are you voting (if you are) for Archi?

Just did it, had to be Liberal Democrats...

 

Real life things are overpowered like black mamba poison,

Yes...I am sure everyone would love if aliens appeared and then coated Earth in Black Mamba Poison, stole our technology and made a drum kit out of our bodies...

 

Why wouldn't goa'ulds be allowed,

Because Mather has shown that he is unwilling to give up in an arguement about them...I don't want 10 page arguements every day about why 'Finding a Stargate on a planet' isn't gonna happen...I don't want 'The ancients put it there'...I don't want 'My race can only be killed by one way'...ect, ect...

 

if there overpowered or whatever it looks like there is discussion of more stargate things which are possible.

Or you could just accept that I know what is overpowered and what isn't....since it is my game- Yes Hegemony is everyone's game, but this one is mine, if people feel strongly about it then I will hold a vote, but frankly, I am not wrecking the game just so Mather can enjoy himself for five minutes.

 

Archi, he could probably make a particle magnum with a huge energy source?

Yes....If he attached his gun to the national grid, then creating some sort of suspension system...then made the gun less than uber powerful....Then yeah... But that kinda goes against the whole 'Particle Magnum' idea...of a smallish, powerful gun that is handheld.

Something like this would be acceptable:

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Someone said ban stargate, that's just stupid and unfair.

Its not that we hate Stargate...that is unrelated....its that we don't like the format...Stargate is designed to have powerful weapons and one size fits all power generators and unbelivable technology... In other words it is designed to be overpowered....

'Whats that Carter? Earth is heavily outnumbered and outgunned? I think I just pulled a new gun out of the Stargate that will swing the odds in our favour again.'

'Thats amazing, all of our other weapons don't work against 'Generic Alien #9' and yet now, at the final hour, we have a way of defeating them despite them having all the crushing advantages you could think of.'

 

Star Trek, Star Wars...Other sci-fi shows...Tend to have a set of weapons which they use, or do some sort of puzzle, or specifically disable XYZ to help them survive....Picard never got a Massive, Freakjy, Weapon and blew up 80 Borg Cubes....Yoda never crushed the Deathstar with the force...

 

If Stargate writers had written Star Trek it would have probably gone like this:

'Captain, Earth is being threatened by a thousand Borg ships, they have destroyed all of our fleets and are now hovering menacingly, being unable to fire because of an ancient shield that activated all by itself. But the shield only has exactly 29 minutes of power!'

*Theme music and opening*

'Hmmm, the only way we are going to solve this, in the time we have avalible, will be to somehow destroy all of their ships...What about some sort of Dilithium Bomb?'

'Brilliant plan Captain, as everyone knows Dilithium is the most powerful substance ever.'

*Some time later*

'Oh no! Their shields seem to be able to withstand the blast!'

'Hmmm...this requires a totally new approach...'

'Well, Captain, I have be working on a new Trilithium explosive, it could be even more powerful than Dilithium'

'Thats amazing, quick prepare the torpedoes.'

*Fires some torpedoes*

'They are retreating!'

'Not without a fight, fire the super Trilithium bomb'

*Entire fleet is destroyed*

'That will make them think twice before invading again.'

'Oh no, the leader escaped!'

'Darn them, well lets be complacant, after all they will never be able to beat Trilithium....but for some reason attacking them is completely out of the question.'

*Theme music and Credits*

 

The closest we really got in Star Trek was Species 8472 and the nanite weapons...But Voyager didn't go it alone, it actually used the collective might of the Borg Collective to drive them back...

[The_Mather1]

StarGate is much more meeting challange than Star Trek, SG-1 build it up from the start, and in SGA they almost never have sufficient power.

 

The two persons using a depository of knowledge without limits both ended in a near-death situation, the first (who has done it twice) would have died both times had it not been for the alien he got the knowledge to dial the first time.

 

As for drones I do know that they would require a lot of research to make, but there are auto-seeking missiles today, and we have weapons that can breech through buildings today, why not make the shell thicker to allow it to do it multiple times? They can be charged as they are fired and possibly emmit powerful microwaves to melt matter. Also the amount of weapons fired is proportional to each ship's capability, a fighter can use two, a mothership 20 and a city-sized military outpost 200, not too unfair?

 

Also "OP" toxin against "OP" race ~ Ok?

[Seraphi]

Not okay.

 

Stargate technology is generally stupid regardless.

 

A missile being able to produce a powerful enough microwave to be able to melt through walls? Hah.

 

Aliens who happen to be immune to pretty much every natural thing in existance (Aside from one, which happens to be THE ONE WEAKNESS!) because "The chemical in their body did it" (Easily comparable to "A wizard did it".)

 

Some wonderous metal which for some absurd reason can "Create" energy or something.

 

I think not.

 

As well as that, we're already getting matter gates, which are far better than the gates from the show, since any ship can go through them, and they are bigger than 6.7 metres or whatever it is.

 

Thus rendering your paddlejumpers and whatjamacallem's utterly pointless unless you want to sort of spin in a chair and go "Wheeeeeee Stargate!"

 

(On a sidenote, I never knew how many trope pitfalls stargate falls into. I have a few here:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AchillesHeel

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AttackItsWeakPoint

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LostTechnology

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RagnarokProofing

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImportedAlienPhlebotinum (Could also be applied phlebotonium regardless)

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Unobtainium

Even with my limited knowledge of Stargate, I know that it has all of these. Christ almighty, it sounds like a trainwreck, :blink: )

[VEGHATERMEATLOVER]

Liberal good :)

I just hope conservative don't get into power.

 

I laughed at your anologys, they were funny.

 

Also, he could research another energy source, he researched ZPM's and with enough time and money he could make something of that power.

Also Mather,

Also "OP" toxin against "OP" race ~ Ok?

That basically means that everyones going to start making that OP toxin and kill you.

Also, why are we discussing having aliens at all? I don't think anyone wants them.

 

If we are having aliens....

 

Edit: Gosh, I love TV tropes but because they are tropes it doesn't mean they are overused. Now, from pictures these goa'ulds look like you could hit them with a hammer and kill them.....

[Seraphi]

Well, that was a sidenote. I was just laughing at how Stargate seems to fall over every damn trope in the book.

[The_Mather1]

Actually it mentions some of it's "pitfalls" as to make it more entertaining. Try watching it, I'm sure at least some of you would like it.

 

I don't want to use the goa'uld, I want to fight them. Also they can be killed by snapping their necks easiley, or just squishing them with your hand.

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StarGate is much more meeting challange than Star Trek, SG-1 build it up from the start, and in SGA they almost never have sufficient power.

Its the illusion of challange meeting...Every episode they have 'just enough' power, or find just enough power, to get to the end of the episode...They never solve any long term problems...

Example:

Star Gate has the Intergalactic Gate Network...Which is then disabled by the Midway station being destroyed. Do they try to rebuild? No, of course not...Being able to dial Earth and arrive 30 minutes later without wasting massive amounts of power, is a crappy plothole.

Compare with Voyager...Who don't discover a way to beam infomation across space using micro-wormholes, but someone on Earth does and uses it to contact voyager, exchanging data, eventually allowing them to communicate with Earth more.

And you always know where you stand with Star Trek(Or at least TNG and VOY) because the characters have principles...SG1 acts like they have some God-Given mission to destroy whatever Empire there currently is, while expanding their own...

 

The two persons using a depository of knowledge without limits both ended in a near-death situation, the first (who has done it twice) would have died both times had it not been for the alien he got the knowledge to dial the first time.

Fail to see the relevance...

'You person dies'

'Ok, I being research a way round it, 5 years.'

 

but there are auto-seeking missiles today,

Sigh, yes, but not rapid fire auto-seeking missiles

 

 

and we have weapons that can breech through buildings today

We had them centuries ago with cannon balls...So I fail to see your point.

why not make the shell thicker to allow it to do it multiple times?

Because of flattening and Aerodynamics... If an object impacts on another then common sense says 'Its gonna flatten, at least partially' Which will either destroy componants or make it unstable as a flying object.

 

They can be charged as they are fired and possibly emmit powerful microwaves to melt matter.

Yup, they could...except that Microwaves don't melt matter...hence why when I put something in a microwave it doesn't melt...Seriously, put a block of ice in a microwave(and turn it on) and it won't melt any faster. Furthermore Microwaves are reflected by Metals, any any metal that was melted would be refrozen in the vaccum of space(Seriously, a meteor is still 200 degrees below freezing, even after re-entry), and would therefore just melt back together as armour...so the best the microwave melter would do is reduce armour thickness by a milimeter or so, then crash into the armour and be frozen on...probably.

 

Also the amount of weapons fired is proportional to each ship's capability, a fighter can use two, a mothership 20 and a city-sized military outpost 200, not too unfair?

Obviously the amount of weapons is proportional to the ship's capacity.

 

Also "OP" toxin against "OP" race ~ Ok?

No need, OP race doesn't exist. Problem solved...

This isn't like Hegemony of the past where out ubering something makes both things ok...

 

 

Try watching it, I'm sure at least some of you would like it.

Well of course. Stargate is the story about Earth saves the universe, there is love, sex, action, explosions, cool blue swirly things... All the things that make a good story...and...what is more it doesn't come with any sort of morality or anything challanging to our beliefs...Watching an episode of Stargate is like reading a trashy novel, enjoyable...but pointless.

In that respect it is nothing like Star Trek, which is...or was...always challanging beliefs and trying to expose things for what they actually were.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqIV3t9eybY

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Ps, going to get food, then will do battle calculations.

Also, if anyone one is on, can they PM me if they are avalible to talk about how we could design a better research system? Thanks.

[Icuownage]

1 Space elevator = 4/55 50

2 Cold Fusion = 12/80 25

3 Nukes = Complete

4 Anti Nukes = Complete

5 Better AA guns = 4/8 5

6 SAM and SAS upgrades = 4/8 5

7 Better Tanks = 4/8 5

8 Better Infantry weaponry = 4/8 5

9 Liquid Troop armor = 4/8 5

10 Merchant Square 10/17 50

11 Carbon nanotubes = Complete 10

12 Robotics = 4/24 20

15 Stronger EMPS = 3/12 10

16 Railguns = Complete 5

17 Biodomes = 5/16 15

18 Refining Thrusters = 3/26 20

19 Geodomes = 3/4 10

20 Colony engines = 3/8 10

21 Ships able to withstand tougher enviroments and probe and land on them 3/16 20

22 Room temperature superconductors = 3/24

23 Medgel = 3/8 0.8

24 Potato Cactus = 3/4 0.01

25 Cold pill = 3/10 0.1

 

 

India releases the first military used railgun to the public today, it was a success and who knows when they will be used in military combat, maybe in coming years.

[Bier]

I confirm what Rocco said.

[Bier]

An alliance it is.

[The_Mather1]

Archi, there was no actual proof of sex happening in SG-1, only a pregnancy/child in SGA and the first sex-scene apeared in the completely new (seriously, it's at episode 15) SGU. Also using old religions and the event of the little gray aliens supposedly landing somewhere in the US is not challenging beliefs? And SG-1/AR-1 only destroy empires who enslave/destroy other peoples for their own sake.

[spoiler='Empires that have been/are being destroyed]

Goa'uld - Parasitic rase that enslaved humans and jaffa.

Replicators - Robot "bugs" that eat technology, not caring if they destroy living beings while doing so.

The Ori - Ascended beings that rule other rases by posing as gods, destroying anyone who refuses to join their religion, Origin.

Wraith - Humanoids evolved from bugs, they feed of humans' life force and make sure to keep any rase beneath any level of technology that can resist them.

Asurans - Nanite androids that were made to fight the Wraith, after a while they realized the best way would be to eliminate their food source; humans.

 

Also defeated:

The Eurondans - A branch of humans with Nazi intentions; to destroy any group of people not like their own.

 

 

Now, I've seen some episodes (around 20 or so) of Star Trek and found it as interesting in comparison to StarGate as Silmarilion in comparison to LotR, I sugguest you try to actually watch some episodes og SG-1 and SGA so you not only base things through the view of what con-biased people have written on the internet.

[a_bert]

NOBODY LIKES STAR GATE. END OF. STOP DISCUSSING IT.

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Archi, there was no actual proof of sex happening in SG-1, only a pregnancy/child in SGA and the first sex-scene apeared in the completely new (seriously, it's at episode 15) SGU

Sigh, the sexual tension between Jack and Sam... Between Jack and just about every female Gould shown...

 

Also using old religions and the event of the little gray aliens supposedly landing somewhere in the US is not challenging beliefs?

Hardly...'US Government Covers Up Aliens' its been part of mainstream culture since Roswell.

 

And SG-1/AR-1 only destroy empires who enslave/destroy other peoples for their own sake.

:wall:

Anything unamerican....(though that is kinda ironic)

 

I sugguest you try to actually watch some episodes og SG-1 and SGA

Atlantis was a snooze fest. SG1 was, as I said, like a trashy novel...I can watch it and enjoy it, but at the end of it I haven't actually gained anything and am left feeling cheated out of an hour of my life.

Universe was slightly more interesting, then they discovered that it recharges itself and it got less interesting. Then you have the whole body swapping thing, which is entirely ridiculous for a multitude of reasons...seriously, it is a massive plot device, and it screams it.

Otherly....All of the characters are made 2 dimentional by their flaws...None of them seem to have any real redeeming features and I can't look at any of them and say 'Yeah, I want to be like that'...The idea that, out of the 60 odd people who went through the gate, none of them were any good in surviving in space and were all massively flawed as human beings...is just as unlikely as them all going through has highly skilled and trained individuals and all of them are perfect.

Furthermore Stargate continues to be a one alien show...There is no real varriation.

[Seraphi]

Seconding Dungeonal.

[The_Mather1]

Just proving how wrong that was:

The average viewership to Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis was around 10 million a week worldwide. According to Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis co-creator Brad Wright, the show is very popular in Great Britain, Germany, France and Australia, but with a steadily declining viewership in homeland Canada. It was estimated that around 30 million Stargate DVDs were sold worldwide in 2006

^Wikipedia.

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Just proving how wrong that was:

The average viewership to Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis was around 10 million a week worldwide. According to Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis co-creator Brad Wright, the show is very popular in Great Britain, Germany, France and Australia, but with a steadily declining viewership in homeland Canada. It was estimated that around 30 million Stargate DVDs were sold worldwide in 2006

What has that got to do with anything?

Its like saying 'Hitler is someone we aspire to be because he is mentioned alot in books and on the internet.'

You can't infer that, because of a 10 million a week viewing audiance that it is not a trashy novel like show.

[VEGHATERMEATLOVER]

NOBODY LIKES STAR GATE. END OF. STOP DISCUSSING IT.

How about shutting up?

There are large viewing figures for stargate.

 

If we are stopping stargate because it actually has problems then go ahead but if we're stopping it because people don't like it despite the fact they will not really get much problem with it.

 

EDIT: Archi, novel like show? Whats wrong with that?

[a_bert]

btw guys 10 million people play hegemony

 

edit: why the [bleep] is hex even still posting

[The_Mather1]

I can see why a lot of people here hate it and translate it to a single sentance:

Archi, you're a trekkie, and the rest of you are either not interested in space sci-fi or just not caring to speak up.

 

Also thank you Hex, I almost can't believe you're the most open-minded here.

 

Now any more coments about how stargate sucks will be responded to by evidence that those who know sci-fi disagrees with you.

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An average EastEnders episode attracts a total audience share between 35 and 40%. Aside from that, the 22:00 repeat showing on BBC Three attracts an average of 500,000 viewers, whilst the Sunday omnibus generally attracts 3 million. EastEnders regularly attracts between 7 and 12 million viewers

So thats 4 nights a week, plus 3.5 million....Average of 9.5 million...So 41.5 Million.

Oh, and thats 2 hours a week, so more than Stargate, lets halve that...So 20.75 per hour....roughly double Stargates WORLDWIDE viewing audience. Clearly what we need is to abandon the sci-fi and start talking about muslim-homosexual relations, which seem far more popular.

 

Star Trek: The Next Generation won 18 Emmy Awards and, in its seventh season, became the first, and currently only, syndicated television show to be nominated for the Emmy for Best Dramatic Series. It was nominated for three Hugo Awards and won two. The first-season episode "The Big Goodbye" also won the Peabody Award for excellence in television programming. The series formed the basis of the seventh through the tenth Star Trek films.

It premiered the week of September 28, 1987 to 27 million viewers

So thats 18 more emmys than Star Gate, 2 more hugos than stargate, 1 more peabody award....and 17 million more viewers.