C rapier vs C longsword

[Dragonlordjl]

The reason the maul is so dominant with PKing is because the average guy in rune has what... 250 defense? With your equipment, you have around 180-190 attack, so it's basically the equivalent of constantly fighting someone in d-hides. And you do fight someone in d hides, your attack bonus is way more than their defense bonus.

 

But you really need to hurry up and test it at bosses, mainly bandos/sara and TDs. I am 100k xp from being able to buy a chaotic weapon and am still undecided as to which I should get.

Yep. Well my friends that wanted to go ended up not going -.- so we might have to wait a bit.

From when I tried at td's (though that was only a few kills before I had to go) its too slow for my liking, would rather ls or rapier. then again I was doing it on a laptop which is a lot harder and slower too so that might just be why.

The reason I ask is I learned to do TDs with a godsword and I've found that I like using a godsword more than a whip when I solo... So I was thinking a maul would be good for me.

[TheAncient]

how accurate is maul against 300+ crush def?

[Dragonlordjl]

how accurate is maul against 300+ crush def?

More accurate than a godsword against 300+ slash defense :P

[bedman]

Damn, I really won't be able to choose a weapon once I get it, it seems. Maul seems like the least favourable option, seeing I don't pk (thinking about trying it out though), but it's strength bonus and accuracy is too insane to ignore. Just not so happy with the "3" attack style (or is it 4?)

[Dragonlordjl]

Damn, I really won't be able to choose a weapon once I get it, it seems. Maul seems like the least favourable option, seeing I don't pk (thinking about trying it out though), but it's strength bonus and accuracy is too insane to ignore. Just not so happy with the "3" attack style (or is it 4?)

Maul is a 4, same as godswords.

[bedman]

Damn, that's bad news for me trying to make a decision. :-)

[meb]

Damn, I really won't be able to choose a weapon once I get it, it seems. Maul seems like the least favourable option, seeing I don't pk (thinking about trying it out though), but it's strength bonus and accuracy is too insane to ignore. Just not so happy with the "3" attack style (or is it 4?)

Maul is great in Bandos teams (because he dies so fast) and for tormented demons. Although I wouldn't get it if you don't PK unless TDs and Bandos are all the monster hunting you do.

[totalpwnage]

Yeah maul is the same speed as a godsword. Could see it being good for teams at GW and TD's for those that like using a GS (you'll probably still want to bring GS for spec btw)

 

Also, since I got the maul, I did the quest for the Dwarven Helm lol. I'm one of those people that believes every bit of attack bonus helps I suppose :P. Probably also helps in the fact that I'm using Gmaul for spec (so I do a cmaul hit then spec with gmaul twice, switch back to cmaul... I've hit some REALLY deadly combos with that, including something like a 410 365... didn't even use the 2nd spec lol)

I also saw someone get 3 hit by someone with a maul, proselyte, rune gloves, and str ammy yesterday lol.

 

But yeah, no matter where you are, maul hits so much better on attack style. It still hits on strength, but not as often as I personally would like.

[Shelby_Polo]

What would be the best weapon to use at Sara GW and Tribrid DKs? I'm having a hard time deciding. <_<

[Dragonlordjl]

What would be the best weapon to use at Sara GW and Tribrid DKs? I'm having a hard time deciding. <_<

CLS for sara and DKs, since a shield really helps there. The range def from a DFS really helps against the spinolyps at DKs and Bree at Sara.

 

 

Also, I know that the CLS is better for dragons because of the stab bonus... But a godsword wrecks them fairly well, too, so I envision the maul being almost as good as a CLS for irons/steels. I will have super antis soon, so I'm probably gonna go ahead and get the maul :mrgreen:

[tonguetamer3]

Does anyone know the recharge costs of the Chaotic Weapons yet?

[AlexRose]

Does anyone know the recharge costs of the Chaotic Weapons yet?

 

2 million for pure cash, 20k tokens and 200k for the mixture.

[tonguetamer3]

Does anyone know the recharge costs of the Chaotic Weapons yet?

 

2 million for pure cash, 20k tokens and 200k for the mixture.

 

Thank you. The mixed one was what I was looking for, as I could not find it anywhere. That is actually fairly reasonable for a 10-hour recharge.

[Shelby_Polo]

Does anyone know the recharge costs of the Chaotic Weapons yet?

 

2 million for pure cash, 20k tokens and 200k for the mixture.

 

Thank you. The mixed one was what I was looking for, as I could not find it anywhere. That is actually fairly reasonable for a 10-hour recharge.

I think 10 hours is wrong, I've heard of 20+ hours; supposedly the KB is wrong.

[Dragonlordjl]

Does anyone know the recharge costs of the Chaotic Weapons yet?

 

2 million for pure cash, 20k tokens and 200k for the mixture.

 

Thank you. The mixed one was what I was looking for, as I could not find it anywhere. That is actually fairly reasonable for a 10-hour recharge.

I think 10 hours is wrong, I've heard of 20+ hours; supposedly the KB is wrong.

 

Almost everyone who has used one has said that it degrades much slower than that, yes. But keep in mind it's like barrows--- time IN COMBAT is all that counts. That's why barrows armor seems to last like 40 hours before it breaks.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Almost everyone who has used one has said that it degrades much slower than that, yes. But keep in mind it's like barrows--- time IN COMBAT is all that counts. That's why barrows armor seems to last like 40 hours before it breaks.

the weapons seem to degrade per use, not due to being in combat.

[Dragonlordjl]

Almost everyone who has used one has said that it degrades much slower than that, yes. But keep in mind it's like barrows--- time IN COMBAT is all that counts. That's why barrows armor seems to last like 40 hours before it breaks.

the weapons seem to degrade per use, not due to being in combat.

What do you mean?

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Almost everyone who has used one has said that it degrades much slower than that, yes. But keep in mind it's like barrows--- time IN COMBAT is all that counts. That's why barrows armor seems to last like 40 hours before it breaks.

the weapons seem to degrade per use, not due to being in combat.

What do you mean?

i did a cannon task that lasted say ~40 mintues?

since i was cannoning i was basically in combat the entire time (i believe in combat = being attacked or attacking)

but my rapier only drained from 100% to 99%

I believe it was because I was really busy running around looting, and reloading my cannon

and I did not spend as much time actually stabbing the monsters with my rapier

 

so i believe the weapons have a set number of times you can attack an enemy.

 

additionally it's worth noting that when i said that the rapier lasted 20+ hours, i meant 20+ hours of constant attacking.

I'm not the person who loots a monster before moving on to attack another monster.

I know the trick where you move 2 tiles while attacking a monster to not interrupt combat, and i use that technique to loot.

 

so i'd say the rapier lasts ~20 hours of constant combat.

[anonymouse_]

Almost everyone who has used one has said that it degrades much slower than that, yes. But keep in mind it's like barrows--- time IN COMBAT is all that counts. That's why barrows armor seems to last like 40 hours before it breaks.

the weapons seem to degrade per use, not due to being in combat.

What do you mean?

i did a cannon task that lasted say ~40 mintues?

since i was cannoning i was basically in combat the entire time (i believe in combat = being attacked or attacking)

but my rapier only drained from 100% to 99%

I believe it was because I was really busy running around looting, and reloading my cannon

and I did not spend as much time actually stabbing the monsters with my rapier

 

so i believe the weapons have a set number of times you can attack an enemy.

 

additionally it's worth noting that when i said that the rapier lasted 20+ hours, i meant 20+ hours of constant attacking.

I'm not the person who loots a monster before moving on to attack another monster.

I know the trick where you move 2 tiles while attacking a monster to not interrupt combat, and i use that technique to loot.

 

so i'd say the rapier lasts ~20 hours of constant combat.

I find the same thing happens to me when I'm constantly getting hit, like doing a nech task in CT. The rapier just degrades much slower then it's supposed to.

 

Oh, and now you can easily solo KBD with just rapier and SS (no food, uni, etc). Hell, I even crashed a bunch of LS/CS worlds just for fun :thumbup:

[totalpwnage]

What would be the best weapon to use at Sara GW and Tribrid DKs? I'm having a hard time deciding. <_<

CLS for sara and DKs, since a shield really helps there. The range def from a DFS really helps against the spinolyps at DKs and Bree at Sara.

 

 

Also, I know that the CLS is better for dragons because of the stab bonus... But a godsword wrecks them fairly well, too, so I envision the maul being almost as good as a CLS for irons/steels. I will have super antis soon, so I'm probably gonna go ahead and get the maul :mrgreen:

For drags, Rapier would beat it because they're very weak to stab, so the faster you hit the better.

For DK's, rapier would be better because Supreme's range attack shoots at the same speed as a rapier, which means you can floor click and time it so you can soul split. Also, you'll probably kill supreme pretty fast.

Sara. Not sure at all. I'd imagine CLS. However, I usually range sara anyways unless we got like 3 or 4 people... but I usually duo, bring a weapon just incase we get crashed though.

 

But I'm starting to have second thoughts on this whole CLS Rapier Maul debate. I mean, I was looking for a world to duo bandos in, and as we were pottin to go in some 138 with whip dfs overloads and goes in. Note I'm on normal pots... amazingly, I crashed him without a problem. And I didn't even bring a dwarven helm - helm of neitiznot instead. +195 crush bonus ripped it to pieces. The first kill I think I hit like 612, 431, 318 or something. The dwarven helm would have helped though - with a dwarven helm and an onyx ring (i), good luck to anyone wanting to crash if you have extremes.

Also, for bandos, maul is great because it attacks at the same speed that bandos does, meaning you can flick Soul Split on it the whole time.

 

In 2 hours of duoing bandos, my maul finally degraded from 100% to 96%.

 

But yeah, that was just pure insanity lol. Being able to flick ss on the boss is pretty nice, and all you have to do is floor click until it swings and attack it. I might actually be getting into bandos solos now... seems like I'm gonna be getting a LOT of kills per trip with a maul. After my friend left I managed to solo 3 on 3 shark and a brew with uni out... mainly because I killed it so fast and ss'ed every hit. Also healed off minions too. Perhaps I'll make a vid on it some time today.

[bedman]

I should really lurn to soul split flash + deflect, seems to be the new thing :-)

[Obtaurian]

I should really lurn to soul split flash + deflect, seems to be the new thing :-)

 

Yeah, I'm curious about it, too. How exactly is it done?

[totalpwnage]

I should really lurn to soul split flash + deflect, seems to be the new thing :-)

 

Yeah, I'm curious about it, too. How exactly is it done?

You're praying some deflect prayer, and at the same time that you start your swing, you turn on soul split then turn deflect prayer back on again. So basically, you have soul split on for 1 game tick, and deflect melee on for the rest.

 

The thing is that deflect prayers take 1 game tick to activate (so if you deflect melee at the exact same time that bandos swings, it doesn't work). So you want to floor click and time it so that you can do it right after bandos hits - giving you more room for error. If you're swinging right before bandos is hitting then you can't soul split flick.

 

It will be easier to see when I make a video of solo bandos with the maul, which will be later today. Explaining it in words isn't exactly easy. You can see what I mean if you're doing slayer by practicing flicking soul split for yourself. The more you do it, the easier it gets. (Though most of the time on slayer I'm just lazy and leave soul split on the whole time xD)

[Obtaurian]

Thanks for the explanation. I think I get it, but I'm looking forward to that video nonetheless. :grin:

[Dragonlordjl]

What would be the best weapon to use at Sara GW and Tribrid DKs? I'm having a hard time deciding. <_<

CLS for sara and DKs, since a shield really helps there. The range def from a DFS really helps against the spinolyps at DKs and Bree at Sara.

 

 

Also, I know that the CLS is better for dragons because of the stab bonus... But a godsword wrecks them fairly well, too, so I envision the maul being almost as good as a CLS for irons/steels. I will have super antis soon, so I'm probably gonna go ahead and get the maul :mrgreen:

For drags, Rapier would beat it because they're very weak to stab, so the faster you hit the better.

For DK's, rapier would be better because Supreme's range attack shoots at the same speed as a rapier, which means you can floor click and time it so you can soul split. Also, you'll probably kill supreme pretty fast.

Sara. Not sure at all. I'd imagine CLS. However, I usually range sara anyways unless we got like 3 or 4 people... but I usually duo, bring a weapon just incase we get crashed though.

 

But I'm starting to have second thoughts on this whole CLS Rapier Maul debate. I mean, I was looking for a world to duo bandos in, and as we were pottin to go in some 138 with whip dfs overloads and goes in. Note I'm on normal pots... amazingly, I crashed him without a problem. And I didn't even bring a dwarven helm - helm of neitiznot instead. +195 crush bonus ripped it to pieces. The first kill I think I hit like 612, 431, 318 or something. The dwarven helm would have helped though - with a dwarven helm and an onyx ring (i), good luck to anyone wanting to crash if you have extremes.

Also, for bandos, maul is great because it attacks at the same speed that bandos does, meaning you can flick Soul Split on it the whole time.

 

In 2 hours of duoing bandos, my maul finally degraded from 100% to 96%.

 

But yeah, that was just pure insanity lol. Being able to flick ss on the boss is pretty nice, and all you have to do is floor click until it swings and attack it. I might actually be getting into bandos solos now... seems like I'm gonna be getting a LOT of kills per trip with a maul. After my friend left I managed to solo 3 on 3 shark and a brew with uni out... mainly because I killed it so fast and ss'ed every hit. Also healed off minions too. Perhaps I'll make a vid on it some time today.

 

After seeing the CLS in action, I'm of the firm opinion that, for general use:

 

Rapier > Maul > CLS.

 

The CLS is barely faster than a godsword and is less powerful and offers no prayer bonus. In a fight against someone with a whip, a CLS will still lose about 50% of the time. It's highly overrated.

 

Btw, I got a target last night and was just wearing my maul and nothing else, watching fights. My target came up in full rune with a whip. I nearly killed him... with no armor. :blink: