No Sex Please, We're Middle Class

[OldJoe]

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I don't think baggy stuff looks that brilliant on men or women, but more so on women. Anyways, i'd say lack of lust is more down to the stress in todays society. You want to achieve this and that and prioritize certain things over other. I don't think music, fashion or whatever product is the real source behind need for female viagra.

[Myweponsg00d]

Wait..I'm confused. Does Viagra actually give men sexual desire? I thought it just...ummm...helped them "pitch the tent"?

[Zierro]

I thought it just...ummm...helped them "pitch the tent"?

 

Well yeah, but then naturally you'll want it to not go to waste.

[obfuscator]

Wait..I'm confused. Does Viagra actually give men sexual desire? I thought it just...ummm...helped them "pitch the tent"?

No, it doesn't, at least as far as I'm aware. I suppose the author is suggesting a kind of facilitative medicine such as Viagra.

 

And @ harrinator: Look at how much fashion changes though. Hipsters with skinny jeans were hardly in fashion 15 years ago and things won't be the same later. While tight clothing has always been present in male fashion the specific demographics targeted has always changed, whereas for quite some time all women have been sold on tight, revealing clothing.

[Omar]

And @ harrinator: Look at how much fashion changes though. Hipsters with skinny jeans were hardly in fashion 15 years ago and things won't be the same later. While tight clothing has always been present in male fashion the specific demographics targeted has always changed, whereas for quite some time all women have been sold on tight, revealing clothing.

It seems this slim trend (or era) is geared towards all men with an interest in style though. Most people at Pitti Uomo (Florentine fashion) has been wearing slim trousers. As you mentioned, hipsters, hardcores, emos, skaters, jerk kids, and many who can't be stereotyped, are also sporting fitted or tight clothes.

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[Lenticular_J]

The stereotypes take it more to an extreme in an attempt to follow fads and extreme trends.

[obfuscator]

Lol'd at that last pic. :D

 

My point is that while that's the case now, I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years it no longer is.

 

Also, there's a difference between men tight and women tight - in general tight clothes worn by men aren't revealing, whereas women's clothes are.

[Giordano]

So she wants to put value into sex again?

 

I can agree to that.

[Omar]

@y_guy

1) I present to you Nick Wooster, fashion director of Neiman Marcus and Bergdorf Goodman. The latter sells shoes that cost more than your entire wardrobe (I presume). :P

2) And my point was that in the past, while there were a few bursts of tight in some places, lately it's been pretty big, and that chances are menswear will remain slim for a while.

3)Leggings for men are in (though worn with baggy tops to hide junk).

[Nom]

What a piece of crap article. We shouldn't have to be sitting here trying to interpret what the author was saying. Sounded like a bunch of gibberish to me, honestly. Went from pseudo-historical to talking about Beyonce's ass and throbbing roosters in a Rolling Stones song . . . And it's about Viagra? Huh?

 

You guys have fun.

[tortilliachp]

That article was a great example of how you can convolute your point beyond recognition by over-thinking diction for the sake of "art" to reinforce your artsy point (not the choice of the word artsy rather than artistic for it's degrading connotations [further, note the reference to diction in an ironic, self-mocking note] ).

 

quick explanation of what you just read:

 

intro containing contemporary reference, to frame the article as "news analysis" : FDA declining a "Female Viagra" because more research is needed to prove it's safety in use.

spin in this intro: society needs a female viagra to cure the sexual problems in the USA

 

followed by a "factual" opinionated histographical analysis of sexuality to show men were better Gentlemen in the past and in the 70s they were perfect because they were both Gentlemen and Loves at the same time (note the emulation of her pompous style through the capitalization not only of "Gentlemen" and "lovers" but also "Female Viagra in the previous paragraph [stated dryly to further emulate the condescending tone of the article ] )

 

point two in the article: the problem with society that causes this sexual degradation is that females are still effeminate, but men have been forced to neuter themselves because of the pro-active feminist movement not being set for egalitarianism but the positive discrimination of Women, so they can remain Women but gain all the benefits of men. Therefore men have been forced to become less manly so females can fulfill the same roles.

 

Further: the Author points out that she doesn't like athletic females, she finds Beyonce's look more "healthy" because she looks more effeminate, although the athletic females are likely to live longer, and enjoy their lives more, as being athletic gives more energy in daily lives, more sensory developed bodies. Being athletic is "manly" (her opinion, not mine).

 

Then the author makes her point where the title originate: the lower classes are the ones buying lingerie, so they are the sexual beings.

 

penultimately (that's second to last, just still [bleep]ing over her "upper-class style"), being sexy originated with rock music, but rock music isn't spontaneous any more, so that's not even good.

 

conclusion: men should be more macho and sexy, this female viagra [cabbage] is [cabbage].

 

edit: it was pointed out to me that i should clarify that i wrote the stuff in the quote, it's another posh reference where I "quote her", so obliviously the upper-class-man would use the quote-tags as it would be "politically correct" (yes i know that's not the annotation of the term [yes, i knows annotation is just another fancy way of saying "*insert word* can't really be used how i did" ] )

[Omar]

well now that someone posted a linear analysis, we have ourselves a regular songmeanings thread.

[Nom]

Heeeeeeyyy now, nothing wrong with the word "penultimate." 'Tis a lovely word.

[tortilliachp]

Heeeeeeyyy now, nothing wrong with the word "penultimate." 'Tis a lovely word.

 

 

but used adverbally? that's just excessive!

 

mockery asside: dumbing something over-complicated down isn't really interpreting a song, is it?

[fastortoise]

Weird article. The only thing I took from it was that the author was probably getting laid tons back in the 70-80s when she was a teen/young adult and now she's not gettin' any because her "bootylicious curves" are actually layers of fat, so she compared both social lives of the time eras.

 

No eroticism nowadays? Watch Greys Anatomy with a girl you like and you'll be rolling around naked with each other within minutes.

[Omar]

mockery asside: dumbing something over-complicated down isn't really interpreting a song, is it?

When lyrics are convoluted and make no sense, someone usually paraphrases the whole song line-by line or paragraph by paragraph.

[tortilliachp]

mockery asside: dumbing something over-complicated down isn't really interpreting a song, is it?

When lyrics are convoluted and make no sense, someone usually paraphrases the whole song line-by line or paragraph by paragraph.

 

but that's inferring your own personal interpretation, expanding the text. What i've provided is a summary where the words are already present. I see the similarity, but personally find a qualitiative difference.

 

On topic: i still don't get why she rationalizes it's a class issue though, maybe if it were Britain. Class and the USA doesn't really go hand in hand that much...

[Lenticular_J]

I don't know about that. A lot of people work to maintain their class here. At least, the middle and upper classes. Few strive to reach new heights, because most are just worried about keeping their way of life as it is. Which, I guess basically, means maintaining their class. Or at least the STATUS QUO.

 

I like that term.

[Omar]

mockery asside: dumbing something over-complicated down isn't really interpreting a song, is it?

When lyrics are convoluted and make no sense, someone usually paraphrases the whole song line-by line or paragraph by paragraph.

 

but that's inferring your own personal interpretation, expanding the text. What i've provided is a summary where the words are already present. I see the similarity, but personally find a qualitiative difference.

 

My point was most of the thread has been trying to figure out what the article signifies, instead of discussing the points it advances.

[Myweponsg00d]

I think the reason we are having sexual "problems" is because we are being sold sex. We went so long with sex being a very mysterious, intimate experience. Now we are being sold sexy images that tell us what should be sexy, we are being sold sex toys that tell us what is enjoyable, and we are sold sexual techniques that create some silly "guidelines" for what sex should be. Not to mention all of the hollywood sexual experiences that are depicted on screen and are completely unrealistic.

 

I was watching a show on Discovery Health about these 3 women who had unsatisfactory sex lives. They were all implanted with an electrode that was supposed to stimulate them. Only one of the women had achieved...erm...a "sucess" with the device (multiple "sucesses" if you get my drift). The other two had no success. But, what I found the most interesting, the woman who managed to make the device work for her seemed much more optimistic and realistic. The two women who had no luck with the device were constantly beating themselves up, feeling like they were "broken", had visibly lower self esteem, etc...I really think that sexual problems are purely mental.

 

I dont remember where I saw the information, but they also did a study on placebo Viagra. I dont remember the percentages but I do remember it being a significant ammount (definitely over 25%) of men who reported that they had success with the "Viagra" even though it was, in reality, a placebo.

[das]

i consider myself middle class and I have no problem with sex, infact we need more of it. Sex is so taboo in America where violence is commonplace. makes no sense.

[Range_This11]

i consider myself middle class and I have no problem with sex, infact we need more of it. Sex is so taboo in America where violence is commonplace. makes no sense.

How about a compromise: violent sex? Maybe not.