The grand exchange

[halo475]

I was pondering the other day, what if Jagex changed the mechanics of the grand exchange so any item sold that has multiple offers at max goes to a random one of those offers instead of the first one, effectively eliminating sniping. Also with selling a crashing item, when someone chooses to buy that particular they get a random one instead of the one that was put up for minimum first.

 

 

How would this effect runescape in general?

 

How would this effect merching clans?

 

How would this effect hoarders?

 

How would this effect you?

 

Would this kind of update receive a positive or negative response from the players?

 

Feel free to discuss other aspects of the grand exchange that irk you too.

[Saru Inc]

You know... I kinda like this idea.. a lot :) However, lets not implement til I get my crown off of ge >:]

[Sy_Accursed]

I don;t even think ge uses first come first served.

 

Prime example put in an offer for 100 of an item at max that doesn't instant buy

Put in an identical offer moments later.

Like 7/10 the second offer will complete while the 1st one hasn't.

If it was first come first served logic would dictate your earlier offer would complete before your later one got any

[halo475]

I don;t even think ge uses first come first served.

 

Prime example put in an offer for 100 of an item at max that doesn't instant buy

Put in an identical offer moments later.

Like 7/10 the second offer will complete while the 1st one hasn't.

If it was first come first served logic would dictate your earlier offer would complete before your later one got any

 

You are right, when you buy more than 1 of a particular item eg raw materials the grand exchange does weird things, but im 100% for rares and high level items that you only ever want 1 at a time of first in first served does apply.

[Sy_Accursed]

I've had friends put in 6 offers for singular rarer items and the later offers completed before the first.

[halo475]

I've had friends put in 6 offers for singular rarer items and the later offers completed before the first.

 

I've had friends recieve dragon platebodys from zombie implings.

 

Sniping clearly exists, hundreds of rare hunters aren't wrong. Also i've had personal experience.

[Sy_Accursed]

Sniping is putting in an offer jsut after ge values change, which on rares means all other offers are invalid as they are out of ranging. Meaning you get an offer in before there any any other offers.

[halo475]

Sniping is putting in an offer jsut after ge values change, which on rares means all other offers are invalid as they are out of ranging. Meaning you get an offer in before there any any other offers.

 

Which is exactly what I'm talking about. And your still first in line even once others have updated their offers.

[Sy_Accursed]

Sniping is putting in an offer jsut after ge values change, which on rares means all other offers are invalid as they are out of ranging. Meaning you get an offer in before there any any other offers.

 

Which is exactly what I'm talking about. And your still first in line even once others have updated their offers.

 

Well by the fact price shifts null and void all prior offers and sniping is the act of getting an offer in before anyone else can doesnt really confirm a first come first served system. It merely confirms if you get in fast after a price change so there is several for sale but 0 working buy offers you are likely to succeed in getting one.

[obidiah]

I could be wrong but I was under the impression that merch clans and hoarders mostly dealt in multiples of items - which clearly don't entirely follow a first in first out. - so a change probably wouldn't effect them much.

 

I'm slightly unclear as to why sniping is a problem, - ge updates at a random time, which means you're in the right place at the right time or that you check the ge an awful lot.

Purely random doesn't seem significantly better or worse.

 

I don't think such a change would effect things all that much, most wouldn't notice,

except for people who continually get unlucky on the random selection suddenly wouldn't be able to sell items which they previously could given time.

(there's plenty of items on the exchange which don't sell immediately, but sell eventually.)

[@Dan3HitU]

I personally think there's a white and black list, possibly grey inbetween.

 

White list is the accounts that can buy large amounts instantly.

 

Grey list - for those that the GE occasionally does weird things and buys items slowly but not instantly (put into Grey list as a possible "price manipulator")

 

Black list - for the "price manipulator" this is when the GE does lots of weird things, such as buying an item in surges/bursts after a long wait instead of instantly.

 

Thats just my opinion anyway, probably wrong.

[stonewall337]

I'd prefer more a way of seeing what offers are in at a time, easier to buy and sell if you know what others are offering.

[Saru Inc]

I'd prefer more a way of seeing what offers are in at a time, easier to buy and sell if you know what others are offering.

 

 

 

But that list would be BEYOND massive. Even if you could organize it into categories. Though I would like this idea too :)

[Atroxide]

A way to solve snipping is to allow people to modify how much they are buying/selling for.

 

That way people can just update their trade and they would still be in front of the snipper (If they of-course originally placed they order before the snipper). It solves the whole problem while still keeping the positive aspect of the waiting-line approach that they currently have on some items.

[halo475]

It affects merching clans because if they can't snipe rares/crowns they can't offload junk.

 

And i think 3_hit_u is onto something, i have noticed when buying grapes and jugs of water for wines, my rarely used f2p accounts get considerably more per day than my main who has flipped many items.

[wioneo]

I've had friends put in 6 offers for singular rarer items and the later offers completed before the first.

 

I've had friends recieve dragon platebodys from zombie implings.

 

Sniping clearly exists, hundreds of rare hunters aren't wrong. Also i've had personal experience.

 

He's not wrong. When you have multiple active offers you have a better chance to get an item, and after part of your offer is filled it gets much less likely for the rest to fill. Trying putting in multiple offers of whatever bought out item(quickly). if you were fast enough and enough are sold, you will notice that you get 1 bought in each seperate offer before multiples in any single offer are bought, and getting multiple off one box is pretty rare from my experience.

 

Also, notice when you're selling large quantities, fifo definately gets randomized a bit as you will see chunks of your offer going at a time. It is not because you are the only person selling, and the only buyers were buying at different times.

[Sir_Kurity]

And i think 3_hit_u is onto something, i have noticed when buying grapes and jugs of water for wines, my rarely used f2p accounts get considerably more per day than my main who has flipped many items.

 

That would suck, merchings a legitimate money making strategy, why should i be penalized for it :(

[pulli23]

I doubt they have lists from people.. I think it's all down to lucky there.. What I think 9and believe is best is that it works like this:

 

-For each minute your offer in the GE you gain 1 "point"

 

Now if the stuff should be bought/sold it chooses a random person, weighted for their points.

example:
A has his offer 1 hour: 61 points (1 point for starting so you could get an immediate sell)
B has his offer for 30 min: 31 points
C has his offer for 10 min: 11 points

Now there is some stuff:
The Ge looks at all offers and sees theres "61+31+11 = 103 points".
Now it chooses a random number between 0 - 103. 
If the number is below 61 A gets the item, if it is between 61 & 92 B gets it, and between 92 & 103 C gets the item..

Of course once a person bought a part of his offer his points should reduce (ie if a person bought half his offer, the points get halved)

 

This way somebody who has been waiting twice as long has an (almost) double chance to receive an item. Yet it prevents buying out for 1 person.

It also allows sniping (since if you update fast you have in the beginning a much larger chance to receive an item).

[halo475]

I doubt they have lists from people.. I think it's all down to lucky there.. What I think 9and believe is best is that it works like this:

 

-For each minute your offer in the GE you gain 1 "point"

 

Now if the stuff should be bought/sold it chooses a random person, weighted for their points.

example:
A has his offer 1 hour: 61 points (1 point for starting so you could get an immediate sell)
B has his offer for 30 min: 31 points
C has his offer for 10 min: 11 points

Now there is some stuff:
The Ge looks at all offers and sees theres "61+31+11 = 103 points".
Now it chooses a random number between 0 - 103. 
If the number is below 61 A gets the item, if it is between 61 & 92 B gets it, and between 92 & 103 C gets the item..

Of course once a person bought a part of his offer his points should reduce (ie if a person bought half his offer, the points get halved)

 

This way somebody who has been waiting twice as long has an (almost) double chance to receive an item. Yet it prevents buying out for 1 person.

It also allows sniping (since if you update fast you have in the beginning a much larger chance to receive an item).

 

 

I still don't know, with rares it's always first offer in who gets it, I've never heard of someone who put in an offer 20 mins after an update receive and someone who did 1 minute not, and by that system if the item is sold after 3 days or something it's going to be practically 50/50 (assume only 2 buying for now). I am sure that 50% of the time someone who is 20 minutes slower doesn't get the item.

[svs]

I've had friends put in 6 offers for singular rarer items and the later offers completed before the first.

 

I can confirm that, it's stupid.

Infact i did it a little bit different, i was buying sets of ranger boots for different prices, for max price to min and inserted my max bid first, guess what i bought the cheaper ones before the max one and yet i placed the max bid on first.

GE system doesn't works as it should.