Napoleonic Hegemony

[Icuownage]

I say mixed result. I have retaken most of my lost areas and a rebellion has risen up against America, which ironically is also a rebellion. Though I lost my strongest force, thankfully not permanently. Which means I'm probably now outnumbered.

[Nero]

Oh and Chapman says he's tired of losing battles and nearly getting himself killed, and announces his retirement.

[Icuownage]

Well Charles has been in many battles and has yet to gain a trait.

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Do you guys want to make a rule that armies on campaign can't reinforce?

I think that armies should be able conduct minor reinforcement while on campaign(healing the wounded from the previous battle, maybe 5% and local volunteers...as in a few hundred extra irregular troops, depending on how supportive the locals are) if they rest for half a year(1 day)

Maybe the Logistics Wizard Trait improves this ability of minor reinforcement...(15%?)

 

 

But armies are only be able to fully reinforce if they are actually back in their home country..and hangs around for a while (depends on how large the reinforcement is), rather than '1 Prussian Solider Marches from Bremen to the edge of Prussian Territory, reinforces all the destroyed troops, and marches back to Bremen to link up with the rest of the army.'

 

 

Would be kinda annoying if, just after the razing of Moscow, the French army reinforced. :rolleyes:

[Icuownage]

Sure, implement it after the next reinforcements though, kinda unfair to lose an army and then say "new rule, no reinforcements"

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38 million goes to Icu, along with all my soldiers, the king shoots himself in the head and his last orders are to decimate the peasents.

 

HRE takes control of Austria during the interim and stops the slaughter.

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Austria is now an npc country. It keeps it's soldiers and funds. The king is arrested for treason and his nephew takes the throne

 

HRE prepares to deploy forces in Austria to prevent riots and such (Flavour and Diplomatic Event)...I need allies that arn't getting the snot kicked out of then/more likely to remain neutral...and NPCs are legitimate allies I am guessing.

 

Also Charles-Philippe, comte d'Artois (The Dead King of France's Brother) is invited to Prussia(should be in Savoy, Trier or Turin..possibly Prussia, at the moment)...

 

If he arrives/is in Prussia declares him the rightful King of France, rather than this Blownapart character.

King Frederick asks the rest of Europe, similarly, to recognise the King under the Declaration of Pillnitz...Hopefully supported by most of the NPC nations and the odd player nation...Britian perhaps =D

 

Charles-Philippe is also reported as saying "Now is the time for repair, not demolition." and proposes a middle ground between his Brother's Imperialism and Napoleon's Republic.

Charles-Philippe is given the right to form up an army for the purposes of restoring his rightful Kingship...but is requested not to follow his Brother's example and attack without proper planning.

 

 

 

Prussia begins work on the Trans-Holy Roman Empire Railway.

 

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Prussia proclaims an 'I told you so' as a result of the Reign of Terror, calls are made for the Frenchmen to resist the Illegitimate Government of France and issues a general order for defensive mobilisation to take place for all HRE powers...and 'pleds' with other powers neighbouring France to prepare for Incursions (Fear of Denmark's Failed Revolution, spreading and succeeding)...and obviously the benefit of hindsight.

 

As part of his Annual Address, King Frederick announces to the Prussian People 'While we have have all intention of keeping our mututal non-aggression pact with France, with the honour, nobility and dignity that we Prussians strive for.*Holds for appaulse* BUT we cannot guarentee that the arrogant swine - who have murdered our envoys! - to abide by this treaty. So, in the words of our Great General, Carl Von Clausewitz "To Secure Peace, We Must Prepare For War." '

[Icuownage]

America is offered a new peace treaty

 

-Give back all land taken

-America and Britain coexist peacefully and we see you as an independent state

-American citizens will be allowed to live in British colonies and granted special citzenship

-5 million next reset for Britain

-Britain will give military support in wars

 

It is mainly targeted so that if he declines the riots get worse.

 

Oh and propaganda is issued in American lands.

 

It depicts the British American border, with thousands of graves and a statue of Thomas Jefferson, the caption says "What's this war all worth? Just ask Jefferson. Oh wait..."

 

It is targeted mainly at American troops, hopefully making some give up arms.

 

Also a relief effort is sent to American and British provinces, they're to help the families affected by the war and funded with 1,000,000 Ducats. They're offered new life in central British provinces while the war goes on.

[Icuownage]

??? I've never directly targetted civilians? Has it ever been said I have :S?

 

It's like saying when America takes over my provinces he murders all my civilians.

 

My plan is basically, be as kind as I can to the American civillians, so the government either gets overrun or gives up.

[The Dark Lord]

America would never accept that.

 

Well, either way, it looks like Britain is going back to Britannia with its tail between its legs.

 

I guess we could really say "Amurica won da war!!"

[Icuownage]

..... If he doesn't accept it the rebellions get worse... Simples *meercat squek*

 

And if I'm as nice as I can be, his civilians will give up their rebellion against me and be like "We join you"

[Icuownage]

Okay the citzenship thing is because his citzens want to live in my land, so I am telling them they can if they make peace, which is something they'll REALLY want. So the more I offer to the civilians the more they'll want to join me. It is basic human behaviour to be honest.

 

I offer you a sweet, if you get your friend to stop attacking me, friend says no, you get annoyed. You realise you can just side with me anyway and get the sweet, and more.

 

Let me put it into their perspective, lets say you have two brothers, both in the war. One of them is killed in a battle, the next day talks of peace with the country happen, and you're atleast relieved your other brother may survive. Your country declines it and sends your brother out into the frontlines. Will you be pissed at your governemt? There is a high chance your brother may die.

[Icuownage]

Or theres the chance your brother was killed in that battle and there is also a VERY high chance your brother is in the British army... As it is just a rebellion after all.

 

Also as there is already a rebellion going on in America now, people will see this as their chance to have their voice heard.

 

War is a bad thing, especially war that goes on too long. So if my attack on Canada failed, I would agree that the people would think that they would win this war, but two turns of attacks just went down the drain for America, and only one attack plan did for me.

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Feuds!

 

 

It could go anyway really...

If Ico keeps up the peace pressure without Dungeonal winning another victory, then America will probably collapse from rebellion.

If Ico keeps up the peace pressure, and Dungeonal wipes the floor with Ico, then Britian looks very weak and could collapse.

 

If Dungeonal accepts the peace, then a long, fruitless war has been fought, creating dissent on both sides.

If a compromise is created then the war was fruitful and people are happy...Though large amounts of money was wasted :rolleyes:

[Nero]

Oh look it's like real war.

[a_bert]

America offers a new peace treaty

 

- Get the [bleep] off this continent

- We finish the fighting in Britain

 

???

 

Mainly aimed so my people see I am looking for peace

 

gg

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Imperial Russia recognizes Napoleanic France.

[Icuownage]

Britain states that the American treaty is a mockery. This is evidence that the king will never seek peace until British rule is entirely eradicated from the continent, which will just end in horrible bloodshed for both sides. Independence is already offered to you, that is the goal to this campaign and it is sitting on a silver platter held by a British hand"

 

Basically I'm saying that the peace treaty will allow the American's to be independent, which is the goal of this war for them anyway.

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Imperial Russia recognizes Napoleanic France and pressures the Scandanavian countries to do the same.

 

 

 

 

My reasoning to countries near France is that Napoleanic France is clearly stronger than anything the King's brother could send. When Napoleanic France wins, they'll be terribly pissed you didn't support them.

 

Prussia asks the French Immigrants and the Irregular Forces from Normandy, to travel around the HRE, Scandinavia, Spain, Britain, Russia and other nearby countries, speaking of the horrors of the Revolutionary French.

King Frederick makes powerful speeches condemning the execution of a King, making referance to the English Civil War, where God extracted his revenge on the populus for forming a Kingless Republic. 'It is destined to fail, lets see it does not spread.' , 'Even while it appears to do good for a short while, the horrors it will do will show its evil in the long run'

 

Prussian Printing Presses(Which must have doubled in size over the last X years.) Provide leaflets for distribution with the French Immigrants and Irregular Forces from Normandy, in various different languages.

 

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They have already killed one King, they have refused to negotiate with anyone and have now dragged their own country, barely able to feed itself, into the throes of revolutionary war...Now imagine what they will do to other countries!

If they can kill their own King, torture their own people and butcher their own children, then imagine what they will do when they seize power in your countries!

If they refuse aid when it is offered to them, to feed their starving mothers, then how will they treat YOUR mothers, YOUR sisters!

This revolution will not be measured by

When you see the Revolutionary Flag marching towards you they come as Horsemen of the Apocalypse for your country, Famine, Pestilence, War and Death!

God has sent them to test our resolve, and I know that no God Fearing European, whether Catholic, Orthadox or Protestant, whether Calvernist or Lutheran, will stand idle while these horsemen tear through our fair lands.

Nor should any Atheist or Agnostic see the sunlit uplands spewing from France's famine-ridden fields of grain, this is not the freedom you were promised when their Revolution first took root.

There is no 'Tolerance' where man kills fellow man for his next meal.

There is no 'Freedom' where faceless Frenchmen command you to fight without your consent.

There is no 'Liberty' where women are forced to have abortions to work in the factories.

There is no 'Fraternity' where men must see their wives broken bodies, wasted by stavation and trampled by war.

There is no 'Honour' where countries so commit to war, that every child and every woman are considered soliders!

There is no 'Equality' where the hardworking lie dying in the streets while soliders gorge themselves abroad.

This revolution does not take us forward, but holds us back!

This is not Freedom, but Serfdom!

This is not what you were promised, this is a return to the past!

We MUST protect our fellow country men, we must protect our progress! Now is not the time to fight amoung ourselves.

Now is the time to curtail this barbarism!

Have your weapons near your bed and be prepared to defend yourself.

Not just yourself, but your children, and your children's children.

Not just yourself, but your wife, your mother and sister too.

Not just yourself, but your neighbours, their children, their parents.

Not just yourself, but your homes, your fields and forges.

Not just yourself, but your country, your way of life!

Be ready for them, ring the bell and light the fires to alert others.

Form Militas, practice with them, get to know them, because when the swarms of France pour across your border, they will be be your first allies.

 

Lets Send France A Message. Not Here, Not EVER!

 

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(I would have done pretty well as Revolutionary France :roll: )

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Immigrants are blocked from entering Russia, since Russia doesn't even need any immigrants. (Population of 176 million)

 

This excluding the select few going to live in Saint Petersburg.

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Prussia also discovers, names and decides to serve food according to Prussian Service.

 

Service à la russe (French, literally "service in the Russian style") is a manner of dining that involves courses being brought to the table sequentially.

 

It contrasts with service à la française ("service in the French style"), in which all the food is brought out at once in an impressive, but often impractical, display.

 

 

Prussia accepts Jews fleeing the Russian 'Pale of Settlement' set up last year.(And just generally, Prussia is willing to accept most immigrants...)

The Jews are treated like any other immigrant to Prussia.

 

 

 

Immigrants are blocked from entering Russia, since Russia doesn't even need any immigrants. (Population of 176 million)

1500- 6 million

1550- 11 million

1600- 13-15 million

1650- 15 million

1722- 14 million

1750- 23 million

1789- 25 million

1795- 29 million

 

 

Your numbers are somewhat inaccurate, unless there was a 150 million baby boom between 1789 and 1795, who subsequently all died. :rolleyes:

http://www.tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/population/russia.htm

[Nexaduro]

Hah, and how do you propose to enforce that rule? You have the most massive border, of anyone, it would take hundreds of thousands, if not millions of soldiers to completely cover it.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Russia

 

It says 176 million at the beginning of the 19th century, which is only 10 years away. (I was off by a considerable amount, but it doesn't matter much) If we use an increase in population of 5% a year, we would still be over 110 million.

 

 

 

It's quite simple Nex. All the immigrants will come through specific routes, like major trade routes and such, or else they would die in the Russian winter. Their propaganda would similarly only be effective in large cities, since Russia is too spread out to have any effect by just walking around in the countryside. Pamphleteers can be arrested and sent to Siberia, or deported. However, the Imperial government will allow the Prussians to send copies of their pamphlets to be checked (to make sure they aren't advocating anything "anti-Russian government") where they will then be distributed at special pamphlet stations in Saint Petersburg, on most street corners.

 

 

 

I don't think I've conquered that territory, but you can't assume I did something just because it happened in real life.

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It says 176 million at the beginning of the 19th century, which is only 10 years away. (I was off by a considerable amount, but it doesn't matter much) If we use an increase in population of 5% a year, we would still be over 110 million.

Up to Dusty.

 

However it should be pointed out that there is a period between the two sentances which say 'Beginning of the 19th Century' and '176 million'.

 

And, at 5% per year, it would mean that 10% of Women were constantly pregnate, with infant mortality rates at what... 5 or 6 in 10, that jumps to 50-60% of Women being constantly preganate...Then assume death rate, and its between 60-70% of the population...And said population includes those below 12 and above 40...So probably closer to 75-80% of the viable female population being pregnate...

 

would die in the Russian winter

I think discoveries of furs and Summer cancel that argument out.

 

Their propaganda would similarly only be effective in large cities, since Russia is too spread out to have any effect by just walking around in the countryside.

Russia was always gonna be on France's side in a war, so trying to influence them significantly is fairly pointless...but every little helps.

 

Pamphleteers can be arrested and sent to Siberia, or deported. However, the Imperial government will allow the Prussians to send copies of their pamphlets to be checked (to make sure they aren't advocating anything "anti-Russian government") where they will then be distributed at special pamphlet stations in Saint Petersburg, on most street corners.

Prussia uses the Russian Government as an example of what this 'Revolution' actually is...

No leaflets are sent to Russia and the French Immigrants (Who are supposed to be permenantly living in France, they are just in the other countries for a few months, though obviously are not prohibited from moving) are warned that they may be arrested by the Russian Authorities for spreading the truth.

However, since they are asked to go to these places, they don't have to...

 

Any Prussian Citizen sent to Siberia will be looked on VERY poorly by the Prussian Government, if you have a problem with one of our Citizens then send them back to Prussia.

 

 

I don't think I've conquered that territory, but you can't assume I did something just because it happened in real life.

With or Without the Pale, Jews were well hated in Russia...

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That only supports my argument though. Lower population increase means that the different in population between 1800 and 1791 is less than I said. It would probaly be around 150-160 million. Regardless, what's the point of this argument?

 

 

All I am saying is that all pamphlets must be submitted to the Russian government, who will then check its content and then publish it. To make it fair, they'll give them out in bundles with one Prussian pamphlet and one Revolutionary France pamphlet.

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That only supports my argument though. Lower population increase means that the different in population between 1800 and 1791 is less than I said. It would probaly be around 150-160 million. Regardless, what's the point of this argument?

Reiteration:

At the beginning of the 19th century, Russia was the largest country in the world, extending from the Arctic Ocean to the north to the Black Sea on the south, from the Baltic Sea on the west to the Pacific Ocean on the east.

 

With 176.4 million subjects, it had the third largest population of the world at the time, after Qing China and the British Empire.

 

Sentences are seperate...

Also:

http://www.thuto.org/ubh/ub/h202/wpop1.htm

And

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_reform_of_1861

 

The 1861 Emancipation Manifesto proclaimed the emancipation of the serfs on private estates and of the domestic (household) serfs. By this edict more than twenty-three million people received their liberty

By the mid-nineteenth century, less than half of Russian peasants were serfs.

According to this between (would have been just over a quarter)30% and 45%(Less than half) of Russia is 23 million.

Meaning by 1850 the population of Russia would have been between 69 million and 53 million.

Actual population according to:

http://www.tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/population/russia.htm

Is 68.5 million.

 

So the majority of sources disagree with your interpretation

 

All I am saying is that all pamphlets must be submitted to the Russian government, who will then check its content and then publish it. To make it fair, they'll give them out in bundles with one Prussian pamphlet and one Revolutionary France pamphlet.

As stated, no pamplets are sent.