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[Jehosaphat]

Only Mather could have an actual "death rate". :P

[The_Mather1]

But I've got an idea, this'll require both science, medicine and engineering.

The first part is to develop a fluid that carries and recycles all the neccessary minerals and molecules neccessary for human life. As well it should provide a surplus of amino acids, glucose and adenosine triphosphate.

The second part would be to develop a smartfoam EMS mattress.

The third part would be to create a VR pod that uses both of those to sustain and train humans and other humanoids.

The fourth part would be to hook up the VR pods to the AI in order to create a world identical to the real world in terms of physics and technology and generate random yet realistic missions.

[Earth]

We have the simulator, let's not complicate things any more than they already are. I know what you're suggesting, but it doesn't need to be done.

[Leiana]

Chi, answer me this: you used to die more than once a week?! Geez! If it's alright with everybody, I guess I can be the cook as well as the medic. Then I can be somewhat useful when we're not fighting Zombies or who knows what. Hmmm maybe if I got more tech points I could research and develope a pill that is a meal subsitute. Mmmmmmmmmm a whole meal in one swallow.

[The_Mather1]

Yes, I used to die more than once a week, sometimes in hilarious and or epic-moment-ruining ways.

[Leiana]

And why arn't you tied up with the sign "MENTALY INSANE" on your forehead?

[Leiana]

Just kidding Sweety. :P Soooooooo.............I just found out: I was supposed to do a questionare? Oh my. Anybody know what reversed polarity means?

[The_Mather1]

Basically turning around either a magnet or a battery so it faces the other way.

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/join #space30 tavern

 

Logs:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12603519/Space/Logs/%23space30.Tip.It.log

 

 

 

Going for a shower, back in 30 minutes.

[Leiana]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO............. Wow. I'm dumb.

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Following the British evacuation of the Commonwealth and the withdrawal of the Unity back to the Asteroid Belt, Earth, once again, disappeared under the haze of the planet dampening field.

Approximately twenty minutes later a massive gravitation field increase was felt across the Sol system, emanating from Earth, specifically the Andes, in South America(hopefully).

Approximately two hours later the dampening field gave way to a barren, black and brown, surface, with a set of six blackholes protecting a dozen or so miles.

The blackholes continued to expand over the next three days, enough time for primative rockets to propel a few hundred surviours into orbit.

 

The Russian Fleet, noticably absent, so rather the fears of a Russian Fleet...and internal strife, detailed later, waylaid rescue operations until the fourth day, when the blackholes began joining and expanding more rapidly than before. The total survivour count from that was 95.

 

 

The British Fleet, having taken extremely heavy damage, managed to rescue some fifty million Commonwealth Citizens, the Unity itself 200,000, (Representing a sixth of the popuation of the Commonwealth this time last month) retreats to one of the outlying Asteroid bases on orders from the British Government.

However, having transported the refugues back to the Eden Halo, it became painfully obvious that there was not enough space, or even enough food to feed this mass of people.

The British Parliment, which had for the most part played no role in the evacuation, decrees that Britian comes first and refuses to introduce rationing so that more Commonwealth Citizens may be saved, the estimated death toll is some thirty million in the first year from starvation.

 

The remains of the Commonwealth Council are agast at this, seizing several dozen British ships, another few are handed over by British Captains who share the sentiment.

 

Britain orders part extermination, part Torpor against the remaining Commonwealth Citizens under their control, reducing their numbers to some 30 Million, as approximately 20 million are vented into space or have their 4D containment zones collapse with no way out. The remaining surviours are reduced to mininal oxygen until unconscience, and then compartments are flooded with low grade nutriant-oxygen mixes, keeping the citizens in a near-permenant(Random oversaturation wakes some, and undersaturation kills others) state of unconscience.

 

The (Stolen) Commonwealth Fleet calls this genocide and sets a course of the Eden Halo.

The remaining British Fleet intercept and say that they will open fire if the Commonwealth does not stand down immediately.

With millions of Commonwealth Citizens aboard the British Ships the Commonwealth can't fire back without killing their own people, so withdraw to sypathetic British Asteroid Belts, who have declared independance from Ceres and Eden Halo.

 

The surviving South American/American group link up with the British Fleet and are quietly packed off to a loyal asteroid belt to be looked after.

 

The Russians seem to have been annhilated in totality. Reports from the Unity's Sensor Drone indicate that the Russian Fleet, having seen the tears not cease at Russia's door step, launched a number of assualts on the tears...However the tears remained unaffected, expanding even as they began to link together. The Russian Fleet fled towards the edge of the system after tears began forming in and around their ships. Sensor contact was lost after that.

 

Gavril's Pocket Castle slid back into truespace, resulting in massive structual damage, though remained mostly intact. It is on a spiraling orbit into the Earth Blackhole.

 

The Blackhole continued to expand over the course of the month, eventually interacting with the tears, tearing them asunder through sheer size.

 

Sensor readings from around the tears indicated that a number of spherical pods had emerged and had begun burrowing into Earth's Core...the final readings indicated some sort of forcefield being errected to hold back the blackhole...failing.

 

Earth is around 2/3rds 'eaten' and there have been no additional tears located. Though the majority of thought is occupied with the Commonwealth/Britian issue of feeding and housing people.

 

Britian is suceeding in only staving off the Refugees hunger, many millions are still living in hastely made 4D containment zones, still unconscience, with hundreds dying every day from stavation and simple diseases.

Abortive efforts to bring people out of 4D confinement and integration with British settlements ended in violence.

Asteroid hollowing efforts have begun in ernest, but will take years to catch up to the required amounts.

However with British settlers fleeing the newly annexed Commonwealth territories most of this 'housing' is being given to them. Housing is applied losely, as it is merely an open space with a forcefield and oxygen recyclers.

 

The Commonwealth, with a strong house-share policy, and a 'Get the hell out' approach to any Brition unwilling to share, has managed to leave 4D containment behind. More serious is the food problem, since most of the asteroids were Agricultural rather than Industrial...So, while a moderate amount of homegrown food was readily avaliable, material replication was difficult, thus enmass food was unavalible.

With the food bill streching of over a million kT, and a joint treasury of less than fifteen thousand, and homegrown food supplies of less two months, the Commonwealth began recyling ships and anything not of immediate impotance. Rumours abound that non-coperative Britions are fed into to recyclers too, though nothing has confirmed this. It has, however, been confirmed that the already dead are being collected for recyling in this manner should the need arise. Revulsion is currently the prevailing thought on that subject, but starvation may bypass it.

 

 

Onboard the Unity(Frozen at day 1 of the month till a decision is made), which is housing FAR more than any other ship thanks to Earth, Faust and Chi, the situation is not good... Asgard CAN handle that many people(100,000 more infact), though additonal oxygen recyclers are required.

Feeding that many is going to be problematic though, costing 2,000 kT a month, 1,500 kT on starvation rations.

[Nexaduro]

Well we obviously have no choice in the matter, they will have to be accepted in and set to work in the mining fleet. This will provide for them, as well as potentially increasing mining efficiency. Research into advanced oxygen recyclers, food replicators, life support, and power systems will be top priority. Lee's "food pill" idea, if implemented correctly, might just save thousands of lives. Work on expansion of Asgard will commence to provide further agricultural and processing installments, so that every resource is used to greatest effect. Unity territories will be established as a neutral haven, providing refuge to any non combatants. Drake shall need to work further on intergalactic communications, perhaps aided by the information taken from Gavrill's databases, so that contact may be established by our Descar and Alien allies to combat this threat.

 

This is a grand opportunity, we can rebuild and reshape all of humanity. We can eliminate the conflicts that brought about this catastrophe. We can work side by side with other races, and together turn Sol into a haven, a homeland to all.

 

Plus, this solves our recruitment problems.

 

All I need is your confirmation, Jeremiah.

[The_Mather1]

How did I have anything to do with how many people are onboard the Unity?

Also did me uploading my mind onto every computer on Earth do anything?

[Seraphi]

Nex, I think our priorities should be set on finding a way to stop those black holes, or there wont be a Sol left to turn into anything.

 

I have no idea how we are going to keep all of those people alive. We barely have the resources. To produce 2000kT a month, based on 2 hour sessions, we'll need 20+ mining ships. If we buy 20+ mining ships, we don't have the resources to keep people alive for that month. Mining will likely be dangerous due to Russian renegades or aliens, so we'll need to stay on the outer reaches for now. I think stasis could very well be an option at this point. Not like the Eden Halo stasis, but true stasis, of course. The other option I can think of is transferring the minds of the masses to a computer and then, when resources are available, putting them into the robotic body I designed last session.

 

I'm probably not the best person to ask about humanitarian options, because, as stated above, the best option I can think of is "Turn them all into robots.". I would question the arbitrary value placed on ones humanity, but I know that road leads to massive backlash from the populace.

 

tl;dr, Stasis is a very good option for the first few months at least, until we have the facilities to maintain 200,000 people.

[Nexaduro]

The only thing I agree with you about is the stasis. I should have left it at the first paragraph, what I said after obviously made you tl;dr.

[Corvus]

Well one major Problem is that I am almost certain that we cannot possibly pay the going rate for mining ships, there is alot of demand for more resources and a very small supply of ships to get them. also who would even sell them to us in this situation:

British - they cant produce enough resources to provide supplies for themselves and the Commonwealth survivors, would mark up vessel prices astronomically and insist in payment in resources not credits.

Commonwealth - they are currently starving and living on goodwill and stripping vessels, at best we may be able to purchase a used combat vessel at its original KT value, remove 3 bays for recycling and install grinders and a refinery

Russia - Do I need to explain?

Swiss - Probably would sell to us, if we had any clue where they are and had a way to contact them

America - Seems like they are more or less dead

Argentina - probably dead, as all of their holdings were in the near earth area

 

My proposed solution:

The "HURRY! WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING FAST OR WE WILL HAVE MAJOR PROBLEMS! I DONT CARE WHAT THE NAME IS, JUST GET THAT DESIGN DONE!" class Modified Escort

Modified Escort Hull - 7 bays, basic armor

Bridge

Life support

Grinders pt I

Grinders pt II

Refinery

Ion engines

Cargohold

 

The HWNTDSFOWWHMPIDCWTNIJGTDD (from now on called the Nonsense) is intended to be the most efficent mining vessel possible in terms of cost and output.

 

Other solution:

Applied Reletivity - load the people we cant support onto intersystem equipped vessels with enough supplies for 1 month, have them travel into deep space at reletevistic speeds for 10 days of their time then turn around to return. this will effectively just delay the problem of feeding the people for a few years if we are lucky, at which point we should have a higher mining capacity (I suggest only sending volunteers and offering them better than normal rations for going)

 

Novel solutions (these are absolutely crazy ideas which I do not support)

Project Genius Animus Machina- if through some luck every single person we rescued happens to be a researcher, have everyone together research the 2490 levels of AI tech to finish this project, and then allow me to carry it out at which point all the problems facing us will likely be dealt with in a timely manner

Maintenence Accident - 'Accidentally' flip the bypass switch on Asgard's life support during routine maintence and 'forget' to return it to its normal position when finished.

The Guide MKII - Hope someone from the future of another timeline modified the past to have some miraculous occurance happen to resolve this issue.

The Historical Society - Develop technology to travel back in time and either:

-A. Settle the Earth in the Past

-B. Jump back in time 1 second and steal all of our resources bringing it back to our time, and repeat every second. (dont worry about the other timeline, as they will just end up stealing it from yet another timeline) if we are lucky we are the first timeline to do this and we will end up with a net increase of resources.

Press Gangs - Build bare bones bases of living quarters and life support on asteroids, fill up to capacity and manufacture tools similar to those from 180 years ago, and have the people mine for resources

[Seraphi]

At the moment we have 2,500kT of resoucres.

 

Our current production rate, at 5 mining ships, is something like 5 per minute, or 300 per hour. This figure needs to be increased to roughly 1200 per hour if we are to have any hope of getting this done in an elegent fashion. This means we require 15 more mining ships, which would cost 2700kT, which we clearly do not have. We only have the resources spare to build 3 mining ships, only 1/5 of what we need. Therefore, my proposed solution is that we put up to 1/2 of the people into stasis, reducing our requirements to 10 mining ships, and the cost of living to 1000kT temporarily. This means we can afford 9 standard mining ships, putting our resources production up to 840kT/hour. At this point, we can take the rest of the people out of stasis and fabricate the remaining mining ships, because we will have far and away enough to support them.

 

If a more efficient mining ship design (EG, Drake's post) can be found, these numbers will be less consequential, obviously.

 

After that, we may want to look into the Machina Ex Viscus solution.

[Nexaduro]

Oh for the love of Nebulous Omniscience.

 

Ship prices DO NOT matter, we have a shipyard.

 

In a single session our mining ships can mine 1500kT, if I remember correctly.

 

Therefore we need only forfeit the output of our mining ships to acquire the necessary resources. We can make another, to avoid using starvation resources.

 

EDIT: Ross, you said we had 2,500kT and needed 2,700kT... We could easily get that, along with resources for the month, assuming we scrapped a few things... and assuming we put our mining ships to work.

[The_Mather1]

Drake, I think you may be onto something with that aplied relativity solution.

By using naturally occuring time dialation combined with technologically achieved time dialation we might be able to slow down time onboard several vessels by maybe down to 1/12, meaning we could give them one month rations while sustaining them for a year. I have an idea on how to do this:

We know for a fact that time dialation naturally occurs inside vessels traveling at high velocities.

We could create a device that surrounds ships by a field of Cherenkov radiation, thus increasing the speed of light around them.

Doing so would allow the ships to move at >c without breaking the laws of physics and as a result either stop or reverse time within the ships.

[Corvus]

Ship prices DO NOT matter, we have a shipyard.

 

Mostly its an issue that we cannot physically build that many ships at once, and they all will take quite some time to make.

 

Also, I will not be able to attend this session.

[Nexaduro]

*Sigh*

 

AI, I think we all need to discuss this with you. No one seems to be in agreement with our current capabilities...

[Seraphi]

EDIT: Ross, you said we had 2,500kT and needed 2,700kT... We could easily get that, along with resources for the month, assuming we scrapped a few things... and assuming we put our mining ships to work.

Yes, and let everyone die of starvation.

 

I'm basing this off a conservative estimate of two hour sessions.

[Nexaduro]

You're looking at this in the least practical way. We could pull together at least 300kT if we scrapped some stuff, and they don't need 2,000kT at the very beginning of the session. If I'm correct, we only need one extra miner anyways, assuming the new crew doesn't speed the process up at all. And we could, I don't know, RESEARCH food replicators, better mining, and Lee's food pill idea? Any of those alone could likely solve this problem.

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/join #space31 tavern

 

Logs:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12603519/Space/Logs/%23space31.Tip.It.log

[Leiana]

Alright. I missed you guys on saturday and thursday. I see that there's a black hole problem (super massive black hole problem). So can someone please update me on what happened while i was unable to participate yesterday? Oh yeah, first one to figure out the song refrance (song and artist/group) I promise not to kick where it counts (Faust, you better be paying attention to that). This promise does not count to the AI's (sorry AI). Although, if one of our AI's gets the referance, that's cool. BTW I've finnaly answered the questionare.

 

1) A workmate tells you they are about to reverse the polarity of their toothbrush, what do you do?

Lee: RUNNING, RUNNING, RUNNING!

2) You are given a chance to travel back in time, what do you do?

Lee: Can I go foward in time too? If not, i'd go back in time and watch things happen again, ya know, relive the moments of the good and bad.

3) A ship decloaks off the starboard bow, what do you do?

Lee: Contact it. If it tries to blow me up, I blow it up. (MUAHHHHHHHHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHA!)

4) A race of aliens destroys your shields in a single shot and disables all your weapons and power systems, what do you do?

Lee: "We come in peace"

5) There is a bomb onboard the ship. The only way to save the ship is to open an airlock which you and the bomb happen to be in, what do you do?

Lee: "Bye bye everyone. I must commit suicide and save everyone at the same time." *opens airlock*

6) An alien has taken control of the bridge. A medical officer has prepared a deadly nerve gas to kill the alien, but your captain and three other officers are also on the bridge, what do you do?

Lee: Don't we have gas masks? If not, ummmmmm, uh oh.

7) While working one day you recieve a secret transmission from an unknown source, who claims to be working for the government. The person offers you 20,000,000 energy credits (Enough money to never have to care about anything ever again) to kill a fellow crewmember, what do you do?

Lee: Kill myself, and tell the fellow crew member that the goverment or whoever is after them.

8) You feel dizzy and lightheaded, what do you do?

Lee: Ignore it, untill I'm strapped down and told not to go anywhere. (as if I'd be able to do that)

9) You are given the opportunity to open on Broadway, Play the Lead in a Hollywood Film, Take a flight through the Sun, Open a Military Training Academy or Bring about World Peace, which do you do?

Lee: Ask if my crew can come with me to act in the movie.

10) There are two missiles. You have the ability to destroy one of them. Once is aimed at the Residential Sector and one is aimed at the Industrial Sector. Which missile do you destroy?

Lee: People vs industry...... let the one aimed at the Industrial Sector blow up, SAVE THE PEOPLE!!!!!!

 

I can't wait for the next session. FOR THE UNITY!