Space

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Anyone mind giving advice on how this is actually played?

[The_Mather1]

Technically, they can fix just about anything, seing how they can relocate particles with better precission than any other piece of equipment as well as working only on the damage, thus reduce cost, they can even work on a larger area at any given time, thus save time as well. Then there's the fact that they can get almost anywhere, including but not limited to inside life support computers and human hearts and brains.

[archimage_a]

You posture alot, then start doing stuff...which leads to stuff happening, which you react to, which leads to more stuff...and usually people then start interfering and things get out of hand.

[Earth]

Multiple applications in plenty, I concede that point. But, NO MORE RESEARCHING THEM. We do NOT need any more points spent on medical things, since they are, in my opinion, a major waste. They take too much time to do most things, and their military applications are next to nul.

[The_Mather1]

Earth, a few million of them could eat an army in less than an hour. They are also (most likely) the second best option for creating objects from scratch... actually, they're the only option for that other than fabricators. So actually, the only field they can't cover is science.

Added to that, I can do whatever the heck I want with my tech points, regardless of what you think, and if you (god forbid) become captain, then I'll just simply withold any technology I upgrade or create from you. Because guess what, I can do that and you can't do nothing about it.

[Earth]

And thats what I consider a stubborn bastard. I'm asking you to THINK. An army of Nanites can't eat an opposing army if they have armor.

[Nexaduro]

Mather, did that simulation actually provide for resistance to the nanites?

 

And I am going to assume the position of Acting Captain subordinate to Jeremiah when the situation requires. Elsewhise I would lobby for position of Quartermaster to deal with resources and crew management.

[The_Mather1]

Earth, are you stupid or just ignorant? A nanite is about the same size as a human blood cell, they can simply walk between the armour and the clothes, or even through the weave in the armour itself.

[Earth]

As Nex just stated, an army is not going to stand around waiting to get eaten. It will move, EMP, or otherwise disable your precious nanites. They will NOT be of use in space to space combat, which is mostly what we will be fighting in, and they cannot be used effectively against an army because the cost is abhorrent.

EDIT: Also, I suggest you stop calling me stupid or ignorant. I payed attention to the parameters of your sims, and the cost of the Nanites. I admit, I have done much of the same (Name calling) In the past, but if you're so high and mighty, why stoop to my, apparently oh so low, level?

[Seraphi]

Mather, did that simulation actually provide for resistance to the nanites?

 

And I am going to assume the position of Acting Captain subordinate to Jeremiah when the situation requires. Elsewhise I would lobby for position of Quartermaster to deal with resources and crew management.

The job is yours.

[Earth]

Hmm. Mind if I take over planet scouting duties, Jeremiah? Stealth and thought weapons (Which can be disguised a little more easily than laser guns.) May be of more use than a full robotic army.

[Seraphi]

Go right ahead.

[The_Mather1]

Faust, there's no other way to resist nanites than to shoot randomly at the ground, and that migh slow them down a few seconds.

 

Earth, EMPing the nanites would also result in the destruction of all weapons and other technology in the area, and as such won't be done to an army.

Also a torpedo with a payload of one litre of nanites should be able to disable lifesupport within minutes, asuming a suitable warhead is constructed.

 

 

Ross, would it be ok if I asumed control of the distribution of all non-weaponized, non-standard technological equipment?

[Icuownage]

To answer the nanites, I'm saying that they can be EMP'd. If it's in the ship the room can be sealed off and then an EMP can be used in just that room.

 

Also for the nanites to get on the ship, you assume the missle breaks through the shield and hull.

[Nero]

Banana Peels. Always works.

[The_Mather1]

Icu, for isolation to work, the room has to be lined with lead, gold or some equally dense or dender material, else the pulse would pass through the walls.

 

And the torpedo only has to come near the ship, it could just fly by and spray the ship with nanites, they can find their own way in, or make one if neccessary.

[Earth]

Mather, I swear I could jsut dump water on the bloody things and have them short out, or use one of your vaunted EMP guns to do the trick..

[The_Mather1]

Earth, they can survive indefinatly in blood, they are waterproof. Also my EMP turret is directional, so the blast continues forwards until it dissapates, it will in any event break some other equipment too.

[Nero]

I have a feeling Mather never really learned his lesson from the first hegemony, in that if you design imbalanced and game breaking technology people will just destroy you and it before you get a chance to use it.

[The_Mather1]

Nero, you are the only one with even a slight benefit in me ending, though that won't, that can't, happen here.

 

Also, the Swiss made the technology, Drake got it, I've just kept upgrading it.

 

Also, I never had imbalanced technology, I just had 100 years of research on semi-free energy.

[Icuownage]

Whadda about this, if nanites have started causing problems, you turn on the air vents are full capacity (so they pretty much suck everything in, well everything tiny) and part way down the ventillation line is an ionisation or some form of electromagnet or something.

 

It would fry all the nanites.

[The_Mather1]

The electromagnet would have to pulse at a greater frequency that that at which nanites enter its range, also, given the nanites mobility one can assume they are good at gripping onto surfaces.

[Corvus]

Nero, you are the only one with even a slight benefit in me ending, though that won't, that can't, happen here.

 

Also, the Swiss made the technology, Drake got it, I've just kept upgrading it.

 

Also, I never had imbalanced technology, I just had 100 years of research on semi-free energy.

 

Just to clarify what you should already know: The Swiss more or less threw out all of their research on Nanites because they were more or less useless following the essentially universal countermeasures put in place, so taking the opportunity of a poorly worded comms request and the trend of the Unity crew never identifiying who they are talking to, Drake developed the Nanite technology and Sold it back to the ship in order to fund private projects while additionally scamming a few crew members.

[archimage_a]

Sigh...Nanite is, definationally,1 nanometer long. Thus, at best, has legs of half a nanometer long.

Supposing you used a Flagellum motor, or something similar, you have around 15,000 RPM as a celing value, probably more in the region of 1,000...so lets say 6,000.

So that is 3,000 nanometers per minute, 3 micrometers, 0.003 Millimeters, 0.000003 Centimeters. 0.000003 meters per minute, or 0.00000005 meters per second.

Lets say that a human is 1.5 meters tall, that means that, for a nanite army to travel from the the top to the bottom would take 30,000,000 seconds, 500,000 minutes, 8,333.3 hours, 347.2 days or just under a year.

Now...

If we assume they use the bloodstream this is reduced to a couple of minutes to inflitrate every section of the body...However, humans don't tend to have a bloodstream between people, thus travelling from one Human to another would be reasonably difficult...Probably involving exploding blood vessels or something, I don't know.

However, if we premise that 1 nanite bullet enters 1 person, and it takes 30 seconds for the blood on one side of the body to reach the other side of the body, then you are looking at 30 seconds before the nanites can do anything to spread...

 

Thus, unless the army was standing directly adjacent to that one person, and they all stood directly adjacent to nine other people, and then those 81 people stood directly adjacent to another 729 people...Which would take one and a half minutes...Then the nanites would be work like a chain that eventually comes to an end.

 

 

Even if we premise that they were 8 micrometers(Bloodcell sized) long, with legs 8 micrometers long also, with rpm of 15,000 for the legs....you are still looking at a top speed of:

120,000 micrometers per minute, or 0.12 metres per minute...or 0.002 meters per second.

As such, to go up a human 1.5 meters tall would require 12 and a half minutes.

Though this is best possible...currently more in the 1,000 rpm range, with legs of around 1 micrometer(Since 8 micrometer long legs would be impossible to move coherantly with an 8 micrometer long body.)

 

As such....about 1,000 micrometers per minute, equating to 0.000001 meters per minute, or 0.000000016 meters per second, which means it would take 108.5 days to climb up the 1.5 meter tall person.

 

Nano Engineering to increase the RPM, 2,000 per 10 levels. Nanite leg size and jazz is increased by nanite level.

[The_Mather1]

Archi, are those numbers for lvl 1 or lvl 20 nanites?