Should we change how we DG because of new warped floors, and quick end?

 

See below for my DG xp/floor assumptions.

 

I made a dungeoneering spreadsheet to calculate it, and it's accurate for floors 1-47.

It currently extrapolates floors 48-60, but it underestimates how much xp you get from the higher floors from my understanding.

(Floor 60 prestige 60 is 200-240k xp i hear? my spreadsheet extrapolates it to 190k at 1.35x multiplier, which is clearly off)

 

So my spreadsheet finds the optimal floors to C1, assuming that you always C1 early floors and 5:5 later floors.

 

Assuming that C1s take about 2 minutes per (which is fairly accuarate for floors 1-29 including stomp, you can do better with a good team even with stomp)

and abandons take 1500 seconds on average, and occults/warped take 1800 seconds on average.

and your prestige is 52

 

 

^^ the above scenario applies for me when I'm with my perm team.

my floors take about 1.5x longer if I go with randoms instead of my perm team.

we got used to warps after a few days. they really aren't worse than occult, just different.

 

 

 

so anyways based on these assumptions, I should C1 floors 1-43, and do larges for 44-52.

And note that since my spreadsheets underestimate the xp due to lack of data, it might be even better to c1 even more floors than just 1-43.

 

Even if you do larges for 30-43 though, it won't make a huge difference, it's only a loss of ~45 minutes of dead loss per reset, which really isn't that much.

 

But personally, I don't plan on doing floors 36-40 anymore.

I might do 30-35, but only with my perm team.

Bal'lak, shadowforger, and geomancer seriously kick my rear harder than any occult/warped boss now, possibly due to lack of experience.

 

The thing is, nobody really C1s floors 30+

and solo C1s take much longer.

There are rumors circling that middle floors are good to C6 5:5 small though.

(5 minutes per floor for ~ 15k xp for mid floors are about what the rumors claim)

 

once again lack of data, and more importantly, lack of people to use these methods.

So the answer definitely isn't clear.

 

But I think the current method of C1 1-30 is out dated (except for like, lower lvl dungeoneers obviously)

Perhaps the fundamental idea opposite poles of C1 5:1 smalls and C6 5:5 larges is wrong?

Perhaps it's a more continuous distributution of C1 5:1 smalls, then C6 5:5 smalls, then C6 5:5 larges?

or maybe even C1 5:1 smalls, to C6 5:5 smalls, to C6 5:5 mediums, then C6 5:5 larges?

 

And of course which floors to C1, to C6.

And the fact that some players just don't use exotic methods right now.

 

What do you think the best way to do floors is these days?

 

 

PS

got data to help out? :D

if anybody has winterface data for floors 48-60 5:5 larges, it would be greatly appreciated btw. I could get accurate data.

Floors 1-47 5:5 larges would be nice too, to get more accurate data.

Whats to be considered low level in dung? It has to be different then most other skills.

Whats to be considered low level in dung? It has to be different then most other skills.

most people don't even dung with other people who aren't 50 DG yet.

A lot of players get 50 DG themselves before seeking out teams.

So I'd classify 50 and below as super low.

 

Then there seems to be a huge gap between 50-93/100

Since that's what DGE and 3BO used to be around.

this I'd classify as mid level (even though it makes up a massive proportion of dungeoneers)

 

They're people who DG, but aren't in a clan or in any groups yet.

 

I guess I would consider 100+ to be high level, since it's the third bind afterall.

Some people might put that bar higher though.

Really interesting thread. Is there any way you could calculate some level groups and post the average best setup for each group (like, say, 90-95, 95-100, 100-105, etc)? I'm sure a lot of people would find that very helpful.

Really interesting thread. Is there any way you could calculate some level groups and post the average best setup for each group (like, say, 90-95, 95-100, 100-105, etc)? I'm sure a lot of people would find that very helpful.

just use my spreadsheet

the link's in my siggy.

Really interesting thread. Is there any way you could calculate some level groups and post the average best setup for each group (like, say, 90-95, 95-100, 100-105, etc)? I'm sure a lot of people would find that very helpful.

just use my spreadsheet

the link's in my siggy.

Oh sweet, I didn't realize it was something I could get. Thanks, I'll be sure to check it out!

I obviously can't help with the data much (but I will) but I wish you best of luck, this would be very good to know.

people usually do 1-29c1 and 30+ large i mean i get tired of c1 around f15-24 depending on how fast/slow we are going....so going to 40 or 43 would be annoying....

 

also 56 + are hard to find so that would only be 12 larges to do easily

 

36-40 were the hardest floors to find pre warped and i often solo or team c1ed 1-3 of those for reset....doesnt mattter but u wont rlly find peopel doing them

 

i hate c6 5:5 smalls or med they just arent as fun

 

people still love abandoned floors 30-35 when occult came out we quickly stopped doing 25-29 large because they were annoying large stomps, nightgazers, riftsplitters, runerights = stupid bosses while pummy shadow and cursebearer = fun bosses...

 

now with 30 larges a reset (maybe 1-5 end up c1ing if cant find team for 56-59 or random floors to reset quick) 30 larges is like 15 hrs of dging w/o having to c1 for 50-80 mins...)

 

and if its 70 resets to 120 on occult then its like 35 ish resets on abandoned and if its only around 45 mins saved a reset than thats less than 3 days of playing on the way to 120 30 larges = more flexibility while finding teams and training but then it also means u reset less for straight floors nowdays i think 8 larges is "close" to reset lol but with occult i thought 3 or 4 was "close" to reset....

 

 

the current way works fine for what people enjoy/hate. abandones are better exp than when ur team fails kalger or necrolord boss.....and less likely to die on abandoned cuz better food drops and less crazy monsters...they are also quicker by 3-10 mins on avg but low occults 36-39 were oddones out b4 warped too ....people made 30-35 and 40-47 way more often than 36-39 haha

 

anyway 1-29 4 lyfe

Like I found out yesterday, solo c6 smalls aren't to bad for floors that you'd like to c1 but would be awkward to do so (such as a few random C1's you didnt get to)

 

Theyre good bc GDs are still fast and you always get enough money for the tools by selling table items

 

It took me about 5-6 minutes per and I averaged 7-8K xp for F30-32. You're taking an additional 3-4 minutes to get about 6-7K extra xp. This is not unreasonable.

 

I wanna test out if C6 2:1s are still viable. Back in the day they were a little slow, but that was before GGS.

I think, as someone had said earlier, i'd rather only c1 rush 1-30 and do the rest larges

I enjoy doing large, i hate rushing

I'd rather do the large and lose 10 k per reset than die of bordem and wanna quit dg'ing because c1's, quite frankly, suck :/.

I think, as someone had said earlier, i'd rather only c1 rush 1-30 and do the rest larges

I enjoy doing large, i hate rushing

I'd rather do the large and lose 10 k per reset than die of bordem and wanna quit dg'ing because c1's, quite frankly, suck :/.

I kinda like C1's now, at least when you've got a doorstander, and the rest (or at least 1-2) have laws. Start button at the end of the DG and staying in C1 sped up stuff a lot. Where's the time you had to log out etc. THAT sucks.

<- has been telling OP this for like a month

 

<- has been telling OP this for like a month

 

but warped floors and quick end are only 5 days old o.O

i meant that 30s aren't worth doing 5:5s

What about skipping the floors that can have Ylak as a boss? Never had him, but I heard he's pretty time consuming.

 

Personally, I kinda like f 30-35, they seem safer, less sick monsters.

i get 100k exp for 30s =)

 

and if they take 20-30 mins thats 200-300k /hr

 

a warped no deaths f59 with 58 prestige was 183k and it took awhile cuz they were n00b at gorger boss lol

 

and with deaths it would be lower exp

 

as we learn warped bosses/prayerflashing warped...they will be same speed =p so almost double of 30s....

i get 100k exp for 30s =)

 

and if they take 20-30 mins thats 200-300k /hr

 

a warped no deaths f59 with 58 prestige was 183k and it took awhile cuz they were n00b at gorger boss lol

 

and with deaths it would be lower exp

 

as we learn warped bosses/prayerflashing warped...they will be same speed =p so almost double of 30s....

Personally I've been dying more on abandoned than occults or warped.

Geomancer's prayer drain attack hits through solo gatestone teleport.

He has massive defense that makes hexhuntering unviable unless bloodragered about 5-10 times.

 

shadowforger still has the greatest knockout potential out of all the bosses.

Bulwark beast is still a pain to take down, especially due to my lack of armor with hexhunter.

 

early bosses are simple and straightforward, but they're also brutal for the same reason.

They're so simple it's almost impossible to exploit them.

 

Necromancer is easy to solo with only some cosmics, prayer, with no food, since I have a hexhunter. He's even easier with a team.

Y'k lagor only requires ~50-70 prayer and no food with a proper team.

Runebound is duoable, especially with his prayer glitch now. He goes down in under 45 seconds even with duo.

Gravecreeper is super weak to bloodragers, and doesn't KO me as easily as say, Bal'lak. Mostly because his damage puddles are always in the same place

Skeletal trio can be lured into the corner, so that the melee cannot attack you, even if you don't make binds. It's just a matter of sniping either the ranger or mage quickly.

All you really need for that is bloodragers. And even that isn't necessary.

I'm not sure how to do it, but apparently flesh spoiler is soloable with hex. I've never done it myself. But A Final Name has been soloing him on 5:5 these days, with great success. Teaming him is all the easier.

 

dreadnaut is a joke. since he can be lured. He doesn't even have ranged attacks, so once he's lured, he's literally harmless.

Gulega is also apparently a joke. Once again I haven't done this myself, but A Final Name has been soloing him these days to great success.

Blink gives my teams trouble.

Hope devourer is straightforward. Smack him with turmoil on til hes dead. He doesn't even have the knockout potential Bal'lak or shadowforger have.

 

dunno bout the last 2 warped bosses though. But needless to say the earlier warped bosses are jokes, aside from maybe Blink.

Maybe I just haven't figured him out yet.

 

What about skipping the floors that can have Ylak as a boss? Never had him, but I heard he's pretty time consuming.

 

Personally, I kinda like f 30-35, they seem safer, less sick monsters.

Y'lak may be time consuming as a boss, but is made up by the fact htat you don't need armor/food for him.

I'd rather have him over gravecreeper tbh.

3:3 C6 Smalls are really nice by the way. ~10K xp each for 5 minutes per. Compare to 500 xp for 2 minutes per on C1's.

 

Marginal xp per hour: (10000-500)/((5-2)/60) = 190K xp/hr

Absolute xp per hour: 10000/(5/60) = 120K xp/hr

 

Would be good to do them for ~f20-40.

3:3 C6 Smalls are really nice by the way.

 

Blasphemy! You dare question the greatness of the C1?

 

 

*ahem* I believe someone dervived a general formula for exp per floor at one point. I could model an effiency equation if I could get my hands on it.

3:3 C6 Smalls are really nice by the way.

 

Blasphemy! You dare question the greatness of the C1?

 

 

*ahem* I believe someone dervived a general formula for exp per floor at one point. I could model an effiency equation if I could get my hands on it.

 

Yeah the only problem with them is that no one wants to do them with me outside of ppl I know

The biggest problem with trying to get a new floor strategy out there is getting everyone to buy into it, which isn't really feasible no matter which forums you post this on.

 

I definitely like the idea of C1ing 36-40 or so since the difference in exp is so tiny for a big jump in difficulty. I would probably be inclined to deal with the problem that no one c1s these by doing like 4:1 c1s while waiting for a 5th team member. It's not that many floors to do.

i get 100k exp for 30s =)

 

and if they take 20-30 mins thats 200-300k /hr

 

a warped no deaths f59 with 58 prestige was 183k and it took awhile cuz they were n00b at gorger boss lol

 

and with deaths it would be lower exp

 

as we learn warped bosses/prayerflashing warped...they will be same speed =p so almost double of 30s....

Personally I've been dying more on abandoned than occults or warped.

Geomancer's prayer drain attack hits through solo gatestone teleport.

He has massive defense that makes hexhuntering unviable unless bloodragered about 5-10 times.

 

shadowforger still has the greatest knockout potential out of all the bosses.

Bulwark beast is still a pain to take down, especially due to my lack of armor with hexhunter.

 

early bosses are simple and straightforward, but they're also brutal for the same reason.

They're so simple it's almost impossible to exploit them.

 

Necromancer is easy to solo with only some cosmics, prayer, with no food, since I have a hexhunter. He's even easier with a team.

Y'k lagor only requires ~50-70 prayer and no food with a proper team.

Runebound is duoable, especially with his prayer glitch now. He goes down in under 45 seconds even with duo.

Gravecreeper is super weak to bloodragers, and doesn't KO me as easily as say, Bal'lak. Mostly because his damage puddles are always in the same place

Skeletal trio can be lured into the corner, so that the melee cannot attack you, even if you don't make binds. It's just a matter of sniping either the ranger or mage quickly.

All you really need for that is bloodragers. And even that isn't necessary.

I'm not sure how to do it, but apparently flesh spoiler is soloable with hex. I've never done it myself. But A Final Name has been soloing him on 5:5 these days, with great success. Teaming him is all the easier.

 

dreadnaut is a joke. since he can be lured. He doesn't even have ranged attacks, so once he's lured, he's literally harmless.

Gulega is also apparently a joke. Once again I haven't done this myself, but A Final Name has been soloing him these days to great success.

Blink gives my teams trouble.

Hope devourer is straightforward. Smack him with turmoil on til hes dead. He doesn't even have the knockout potential Bal'lak or shadowforger have.

 

dunno bout the last 2 warped bosses though. But needless to say the earlier warped bosses are jokes, aside from maybe Blink.

Maybe I just haven't figured him out yet.

 

What about skipping the floors that can have Ylak as a boss? Never had him, but I heard he's pretty time consuming.

 

Personally, I kinda like f 30-35, they seem safer, less sick monsters.

Y'lak may be time consuming as a boss, but is made up by the fact htat you don't need armor/food for him.

I'd rather have him over gravecreeper tbh.

gorger is a joke with a good team...

 

kalger doesnt have insane ko potential however u do need mage and range sometimes and know how to fight him hes timeconsuming but not too bad

hope devourer can ko but with ragers its so easy...

 

pummeler is least fave boss tbh :S

On another note. .

 

Why rush any floors?

 

This was w 138 >.<

I'm curious about the exp you get for 5:5 large f1 w/ prestige 60. 100k might be possible :blink:

I'm curious about the exp you get for 5:5 large f1 w/ prestige 60. 100k might be possible :blink:

76k f1 85k f11 100k f30 :P

 

shelf was the one that did 76k for f1 people mess around on them for fun but they arent rlly worth it for longterm exp just cuz ur getting triple that for the high floors