I can't view the video because of dialup, but how many workers were there?

Day 12: Public denied access to structure - huge amounts of lead found in the paint.

Day 16: Chinese government outlaws national news crews from the surrounding area.

Day 18: All workers from the project have gone missing.

Day 20: Wall panels fall off - were attached with gorilla glue.

Day 27: Screws recalled to factory - made with radioactive materials.

Day 30: Metallic frame collapses.

 

And they will call it the Happy One Month Great Tower.

 

It's interesting that people are so determined to knock this project. I would like to revisit this in a few years. Yes, I'm sure there will be some problems, but such issues are essentially inherent into the construction of any building, no matter the size or speed at which is was assembled.

My theory is that people are insecure, and fearful about their position in the world. There are several Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Pakistanis, any number of people, that could all do your job, and likely better than you, if they were given the chance. However, they will not get that chance, for merit of their poverty, skin colour, or nationality. With greater globalization (which is inevitable, whatever the left/right would like to say) there will be greater equality. It's not going to be a leveling up for us, no matter the value that Thomas Friedman wishes to place on skilled labor and "roll-up-your-sleeves" work ethic.

 

It has actually been surprisingly easy for me to reconcile with the fact that I will not be able to take from the world as much as the members of the previous generation did. I hope that I'm never so greedy as to turn my back on the principles of equality, or so sure of my country's superiority over others to wait, fascinated, with the sadistic hope that my pretensions of superiority will be confirmed.

 

Ok. Once you have obtained a job, you may speculate about "the world." Until then, you don't have a valid approach.

 

And I agree with Dupin, even if I would personally bump the time table up about 6 days a faster.

 

To the underlined part, that is just plain wrong. Things built in China are utter [cabbage], and due to your lack of experience in the world, just in general, shows itself more clearly now. These building flaws do not happen in say, oh I don't know, America, Europe. China is trying to cut corners, and eventually they'll cut something they wish they hadn't.

[hide=are you serious?]

Day 12: Public denied access to structure - huge amounts of lead found in the paint.

Day 16: Chinese government outlaws national news crews from the surrounding area.

Day 18: All workers from the project have gone missing.

Day 20: Wall panels fall off - were attached with gorilla glue.

Day 27: Screws recalled to factory - made with radioactive materials.

Day 30: Metallic frame collapses.

 

And they will call it the Happy One Month Great Tower.

 

It's interesting that people are so determined to knock this project. I would like to revisit this in a few years. Yes, I'm sure there will be some problems, but such issues are essentially inherent into the construction of any building, no matter the size or speed at which is was assembled.

My theory is that people are insecure, and fearful about their position in the world. There are several Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Pakistanis, any number of people, that could all do your job, and likely better than you, if they were given the chance. However, they will not get that chance, for merit of their poverty, skin colour, or nationality. With greater globalization (which is inevitable, whatever the left/right would like to say) there will be greater equality. It's not going to be a leveling up for us, no matter the value that Thomas Friedman wishes to place on skilled labor and "roll-up-your-sleeves" work ethic.

 

It has actually been surprisingly easy for me to reconcile with the fact that I will not be able to take from the world as much as the members of the previous generation did. I hope that I'm never so greedy as to turn my back on the principles of equality, or so sure of my country's superiority over others to wait, fascinated, with the sadistic hope that my pretensions of superiority will be confirmed.

 

Ok. Once you have obtained a job, you may speculate about "the world." Until then, you don't have a valid approach.

 

And I agree with Dupin, even if I would personally bump the time table up about 6 days a faster.

 

To the underlined part, that is just plain wrong. Things built in China are utter [cabbage], and due to your lack of experience in the world, just in general, shows itself more clearly now. These building flaws do not happen in say, oh I don't know, America, Europe. China is trying to cut corners, and eventually they'll cut something they wish they hadn't.

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Mate, have you ever been to China before? Have you seen the buildings? Take the 2008 Olympics for an example, all the building were top of the class, safe and sound, cleverly designed. Don't talk [cabbage] about someone you've never seen before, k? Don't take the one-sided news you Americans recieve, its called propoganda, and I guess it's working. Why don't you get some experience on this subject before you start generalizing things.

Take the 2008 Olympics for an example, all the building were top of the class, safe and sound, cleverly designed.

...But isn't the whole point of hosting the Olympics to show off your country's best for the world? That's pretty much propaganda too, you know. And it appears to be working.

 

Hell, this is probably propaganda too, considering how much attention it's getting. Those of you that aren't going "lol china suxx" are probably looking at this and saying, "see? They're a hardworking world power and able to compete with any western country. We should totally respect them before they take over the world".

 

I'm not saying it won't last or anything, it'll probably last pretty long, and longer if they maintain it right.

[hide=are you serious?]

Day 12: Public denied access to structure - huge amounts of lead found in the paint.

Day 16: Chinese government outlaws national news crews from the surrounding area.

Day 18: All workers from the project have gone missing.

Day 20: Wall panels fall off - were attached with gorilla glue.

Day 27: Screws recalled to factory - made with radioactive materials.

Day 30: Metallic frame collapses.

 

And they will call it the Happy One Month Great Tower.

 

It's interesting that people are so determined to knock this project. I would like to revisit this in a few years. Yes, I'm sure there will be some problems, but such issues are essentially inherent into the construction of any building, no matter the size or speed at which is was assembled.

My theory is that people are insecure, and fearful about their position in the world. There are several Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Pakistanis, any number of people, that could all do your job, and likely better than you, if they were given the chance. However, they will not get that chance, for merit of their poverty, skin colour, or nationality. With greater globalization (which is inevitable, whatever the left/right would like to say) there will be greater equality. It's not going to be a leveling up for us, no matter the value that Thomas Friedman wishes to place on skilled labor and "roll-up-your-sleeves" work ethic.

 

It has actually been surprisingly easy for me to reconcile with the fact that I will not be able to take from the world as much as the members of the previous generation did. I hope that I'm never so greedy as to turn my back on the principles of equality, or so sure of my country's superiority over others to wait, fascinated, with the sadistic hope that my pretensions of superiority will be confirmed.

 

Ok. Once you have obtained a job, you may speculate about "the world." Until then, you don't have a valid approach.

 

And I agree with Dupin, even if I would personally bump the time table up about 6 days a faster.

 

To the underlined part, that is just plain wrong. Things built in China are utter [cabbage], and due to your lack of experience in the world, just in general, shows itself more clearly now. These building flaws do not happen in say, oh I don't know, America, Europe. China is trying to cut corners, and eventually they'll cut something they wish they hadn't.

[/hide]

 

Mate, have you ever been to China before? Have you seen the buildings? Take the 2008 Olympics for an example, all the building were top of the class, safe and sound, cleverly designed. Don't talk [cabbage] about someone you've never seen before, k? Don't take the one-sided news you Americans recieve, its called propoganda, and I guess it's working. Why don't you get some experience on this subject before you start generalizing things.

 

Well I know more than you think I know, so I guess I can talk [cabbage]. By the way, Canada boy, you don't know where I get my news from, so don't pretend to, mmmk?

[hide=are you serious?]

Day 12: Public denied access to structure - huge amounts of lead found in the paint.

Day 16: Chinese government outlaws national news crews from the surrounding area.

Day 18: All workers from the project have gone missing.

Day 20: Wall panels fall off - were attached with gorilla glue.

Day 27: Screws recalled to factory - made with radioactive materials.

Day 30: Metallic frame collapses.

 

And they will call it the Happy One Month Great Tower.

 

It's interesting that people are so determined to knock this project. I would like to revisit this in a few years. Yes, I'm sure there will be some problems, but such issues are essentially inherent into the construction of any building, no matter the size or speed at which is was assembled.

My theory is that people are insecure, and fearful about their position in the world. There are several Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Pakistanis, any number of people, that could all do your job, and likely better than you, if they were given the chance. However, they will not get that chance, for merit of their poverty, skin colour, or nationality. With greater globalization (which is inevitable, whatever the left/right would like to say) there will be greater equality. It's not going to be a leveling up for us, no matter the value that Thomas Friedman wishes to place on skilled labor and "roll-up-your-sleeves" work ethic.

 

It has actually been surprisingly easy for me to reconcile with the fact that I will not be able to take from the world as much as the members of the previous generation did. I hope that I'm never so greedy as to turn my back on the principles of equality, or so sure of my country's superiority over others to wait, fascinated, with the sadistic hope that my pretensions of superiority will be confirmed.

 

Ok. Once you have obtained a job, you may speculate about "the world." Until then, you don't have a valid approach.

 

And I agree with Dupin, even if I would personally bump the time table up about 6 days a faster.

 

To the underlined part, that is just plain wrong. Things built in China are utter [cabbage], and due to your lack of experience in the world, just in general, shows itself more clearly now. These building flaws do not happen in say, oh I don't know, America, Europe. China is trying to cut corners, and eventually they'll cut something they wish they hadn't.

[/hide]

 

Mate, have you ever been to China before? Have you seen the buildings? Take the 2008 Olympics for an example, all the building were top of the class, safe and sound, cleverly designed. Don't talk [cabbage] about someone you've never seen before, k? Don't take the one-sided news you Americans recieve, its called propaganda, and I guess it's working. Why don't you get some experience on this subject before you start generalizing things.

 

 

Incidentally I have been to China and while Beijing was quite well maintained traveling just 100 miles inland reveals a third world country in which about a billion people live in abject poverty.

 

Examining only the best, trophy projects of a nation provides no accurate comparison of overall standards.

Chinese ownership of America? I highly doubt that. We owe them $772billion. I would venture to say that we would go to war with them before we let them "own" us. Seems to be the nature of the way problems are solved around here.

 

That number is almost certainly lowball. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/02/chinas-debt-to-us-treasury-more-than-indicated/

 

I didn't (and do not) mean that they would "own" the USA in the sense of direct control over government, but once regulations are removed, and the public sector is painfully disemboweled and fed to private industry, what's to stop China from slowly controlling the market? (I'm not saying that this would necessarily be a bad thing, just that it is a sign of increasing Chinese importance on the world stage.)

At the same time, the states owns a large amount of Chinese debt.

 

And go to war? It wouldn't happen. Firstly, the states could never win a war against china short of a nuclear strike (same goes for many countries, such as Iran) and they won't do that. Not to mention that if they cut off one of their biggest importers/exporters/holders of their debt you'd see huge repercussions economically.

[hide=are you serious?]

Day 12: Public denied access to structure - huge amounts of lead found in the paint.

Day 16: Chinese government outlaws national news crews from the surrounding area.

Day 18: All workers from the project have gone missing.

Day 20: Wall panels fall off - were attached with gorilla glue.

Day 27: Screws recalled to factory - made with radioactive materials.

Day 30: Metallic frame collapses.

 

And they will call it the Happy One Month Great Tower.

 

It's interesting that people are so determined to knock this project. I would like to revisit this in a few years. Yes, I'm sure there will be some problems, but such issues are essentially inherent into the construction of any building, no matter the size or speed at which is was assembled.

My theory is that people are insecure, and fearful about their position in the world. There are several Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Pakistanis, any number of people, that could all do your job, and likely better than you, if they were given the chance. However, they will not get that chance, for merit of their poverty, skin colour, or nationality. With greater globalization (which is inevitable, whatever the left/right would like to say) there will be greater equality. It's not going to be a leveling up for us, no matter the value that Thomas Friedman wishes to place on skilled labor and "roll-up-your-sleeves" work ethic.

 

It has actually been surprisingly easy for me to reconcile with the fact that I will not be able to take from the world as much as the members of the previous generation did. I hope that I'm never so greedy as to turn my back on the principles of equality, or so sure of my country's superiority over others to wait, fascinated, with the sadistic hope that my pretensions of superiority will be confirmed.

 

Ok. Once you have obtained a job, you may speculate about "the world." Until then, you don't have a valid approach.

 

And I agree with Dupin, even if I would personally bump the time table up about 6 days a faster.

 

To the underlined part, that is just plain wrong. Things built in China are utter [cabbage], and due to your lack of experience in the world, just in general, shows itself more clearly now. These building flaws do not happen in say, oh I don't know, America, Europe. China is trying to cut corners, and eventually they'll cut something they wish they hadn't.

[/hide]

 

Mate, have you ever been to China before? Have you seen the buildings? Take the 2008 Olympics for an example, all the building were top of the class, safe and sound, cleverly designed. Don't talk [cabbage] about someone you've never seen before, k? Don't take the one-sided news you Americans recieve, its called propaganda, and I guess it's working. Why don't you get some experience on this subject before you start generalizing things.

 

 

Incidentally I have been to China and while Beijing was quite well maintained traveling just 100 miles inland reveals a third world country in which about a billion people live in abject poverty.

 

Examining only the best, trophy projects of a nation provides no accurate comparison of overall standards.

 

Have you ever seen Detroit or Cleveland? The United States now has approximately 45 million people living below the poverty line. I'll also refute the inevitable next point to be made, which is that standards of poverty are not identical, to which I say neither are costs of living. It is a shame that the Chinese never had a chance: from the failure of a system that is Communism, and straight into the arms of international corporations with their sweet-sounding lies of trade, equality and wealth.

 

And to Bonkers: I'm quite interested to hear why it is that you consider yourself so informed about foreign countries. I could say that your statement betrays your ignorance just as much as my supposed errors in reasoning do. And I do have a job: several, since they're seasonal. Yes, I don't intend for them to be long term, but it also makes you realize that not only can I be replaced by any other North American citizen with functioning arms and an IQ above the level of idiot, but any moderately strong individual anywhere in the world. I have my job for merit of my citizenship, and nothing more.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/16/AR2010091602698.html

My name isn't "Bonkers," it's saru. OR bonkers.

 

 

 

 

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

 

 

And yet

 

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/GreatDepression.html

 

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And I find it hard to believe you've ever secured a job, Skeptical. Very hard. And no, that's not why.

 

 

Also, I have rarely ever expressed my true ideas on this forum, I "practice" socratic irony pretty much 24/7 on these forums. And lets just say it works pretty damn well.

 

Btw, your ability to say my ignorance shows means nothing. Your ignorance, however, has been shown quite clearly.

Werent the Twin Towers built using sort of the same techniqe?

 

as in,a really big Jigsaw puzzle,

[hide=are you serious?]

Day 12: Public denied access to structure - huge amounts of lead found in the paint.

Day 16: Chinese government outlaws national news crews from the surrounding area.

Day 18: All workers from the project have gone missing.

Day 20: Wall panels fall off - were attached with gorilla glue.

Day 27: Screws recalled to factory - made with radioactive materials.

Day 30: Metallic frame collapses.

 

And they will call it the Happy One Month Great Tower.

 

It's interesting that people are so determined to knock this project. I would like to revisit this in a few years. Yes, I'm sure there will be some problems, but such issues are essentially inherent into the construction of any building, no matter the size or speed at which is was assembled.

My theory is that people are insecure, and fearful about their position in the world. There are several Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Pakistanis, any number of people, that could all do your job, and likely better than you, if they were given the chance. However, they will not get that chance, for merit of their poverty, skin colour, or nationality. With greater globalization (which is inevitable, whatever the left/right would like to say) there will be greater equality. It's not going to be a leveling up for us, no matter the value that Thomas Friedman wishes to place on skilled labor and "roll-up-your-sleeves" work ethic.

 

It has actually been surprisingly easy for me to reconcile with the fact that I will not be able to take from the world as much as the members of the previous generation did. I hope that I'm never so greedy as to turn my back on the principles of equality, or so sure of my country's superiority over others to wait, fascinated, with the sadistic hope that my pretensions of superiority will be confirmed.

 

Ok. Once you have obtained a job, you may speculate about "the world." Until then, you don't have a valid approach.

 

And I agree with Dupin, even if I would personally bump the time table up about 6 days a faster.

 

To the underlined part, that is just plain wrong. Things built in China are utter [cabbage], and due to your lack of experience in the world, just in general, shows itself more clearly now. These building flaws do not happen in say, oh I don't know, America, Europe. China is trying to cut corners, and eventually they'll cut something they wish they hadn't.

[/hide]

 

Mate, have you ever been to China before? Have you seen the buildings? Take the 2008 Olympics for an example, all the building were top of the class, safe and sound, cleverly designed. Don't talk [cabbage] about someone you've never seen before, k? Don't take the one-sided news you Americans recieve, its called propoganda, and I guess it's working. Why don't you get some experience on this subject before you start generalizing things.

 

Well I know more than you think I know, so I guess I can talk [cabbage]. By the way, Canada boy, you don't know where I get my news from, so don't pretend to, mmmk?

 

From what you wrote, it doesn't seem like you know alot. I was born in Beijing, raised there for 6 years, and gone back for 2 years in 2005-07. I've seen first hand the buildings there, mmmk? I live right next to the Forbidden Palace. Do you even know what that is? If you do, you wouldn't be talking [cabbage]. I suggest you look it up if you really don't know what it is. Also, ever heard of the Great Wall? Summer Palace?

 

I've also lived in the States (Minnesota, 3 years ish) and here in Canada (Edmonton, in total about 7 years), and all I've seen are houses made out of wood that go on fire REALLY EASILY. Or the 3 story apartment buildings.

 

@ Snipersas, same can be said about America, no? What do you think about in America when you say they have better architecture than China? Maybe stuff like the Pentagon? White House? etc? You surely don't talk about your average 2 story houses. If you want to compare average houses, then that's pretty much impossible, since China has no room to build them, and has to resort to high-rise buildings. Here's what average "houses" in China looked like before the population boom, maybe you oughta compare that.

 

@ Mask, yes of course the whole point of the Olympics is to show the best of your country, what's wrong with that? It's propoganda in the way the whole world was there and a majority liked it? You know it wasn't only the Chinese government who said "OH, this building is top class!", and instead many foreigners who were there said the same?

@ Mask, yes of course the whole point of the Olympics is to show the best of your country, what's wrong with that? It's propoganda in the way the whole world was there and a majority liked it? You know it wasn't only the Chinese government who said "OH, this building is top class!", and instead many foreigners who were there said the same?

Which is not the point I was getting at.

The show that any country puts on for the Olympics is nothing like what a country is actually like. The whole point is to impress the rest of the world.

Usually it goes further than that and no one region of a country is the same as another. Beijing is more than likely nothing like any other given area of China just as Detroit and Edmonton are nothing like other parts of The United States or Canada.

make sure to get extended warranty on this

@ Mask, yes of course the whole point of the Olympics is to show the best of your country, what's wrong with that? It's propoganda in the way the whole world was there and a majority liked it? You know it wasn't only the Chinese government who said "OH, this building is top class!", and instead many foreigners who were there said the same?

Which is not the point I was getting at.

The show that any country puts on for the Olympics is nothing like what a country is actually like. The whole point is to impress the rest of the world.

Usually it goes further than that and no one region of a country is the same as another. Beijing is more than likely nothing like any other given area of China just as Detroit and Edmonton are nothing like other parts of The United States or Canada.

 

So what if it's nothing like the rest of the country? I'm not talking about China being uber wealthy and everyone is living comfortably, I'm talking about architecture, bonkers (saru) said the Chinese buildings were nothing like North American/ European building and I'm proving him wrong. What's wrong with using the Bird's Nest & other Olympic buildings as an example? I said Saru was subject to propoganda because I assume he gets all the information on how bad China is from his country's media, he is free to prove me wrong by telling me where he gets his information, and not by saying "you don't know where I get my news from, mmmmk?".

@ Mask, yes of course the whole point of the Olympics is to show the best of your country, what's wrong with that? It's propoganda in the way the whole world was there and a majority liked it? You know it wasn't only the Chinese government who said "OH, this building is top class!", and instead many foreigners who were there said the same?

Which is not the point I was getting at.

The show that any country puts on for the Olympics is nothing like what a country is actually like. The whole point is to impress the rest of the world.

Usually it goes further than that and no one region of a country is the same as another. Beijing is more than likely nothing like any other given area of China just as Detroit and Edmonton are nothing like other parts of The United States or Canada.

 

So what if it's nothing like the rest of the country? I'm not talking about China being uber wealthy and everyone is living comfortably, I'm talking about architecture, bonkers (saru) said the Chinese buildings were nothing like North American/ European building and I'm proving him wrong. What's wrong with using the Bird's Nest & other Olympic buildings as an example? I said Saru was subject to propoganda because I assume he gets all the information on how bad China is from his country's media, he is free to prove me wrong by telling me where he gets his information, and not by saying "you don't know where I get my news from, mmmmk?".

 

 

 

I'm not about to debase myself to that level, nice try though. And here's a fun fact, you can live in a country and know nothing about it, International boy.

@ Mask, yes of course the whole point of the Olympics is to show the best of your country, what's wrong with that? It's propoganda in the way the whole world was there and a majority liked it? You know it wasn't only the Chinese government who said "OH, this building is top class!", and instead many foreigners who were there said the same?

Which is not the point I was getting at.

The show that any country puts on for the Olympics is nothing like what a country is actually like. The whole point is to impress the rest of the world.

Usually it goes further than that and no one region of a country is the same as another. Beijing is more than likely nothing like any other given area of China just as Detroit and Edmonton are nothing like other parts of The United States or Canada.

 

So what if it's nothing like the rest of the country? I'm not talking about China being uber wealthy and everyone is living comfortably, I'm talking about architecture, bonkers (saru) said the Chinese buildings were nothing like North American/ European building and I'm proving him wrong. What's wrong with using the Bird's Nest & other Olympic buildings as an example? I said Saru was subject to propoganda because I assume he gets all the information on how bad China is from his country's media, he is free to prove me wrong by telling me where he gets his information, and not by saying "you don't know where I get my news from, mmmmk?".

 

 

I'm not about to debase myself to that level, nice try though. And here's a fun fact, you can live in a country and know nothing about it, International boy.

 

Yes, but I've always thought that it's rather hard: if you're intelligent and inquisitive, it would be difficult to not assemble a great deal of knowledge about where you're living. Yes, you don't have to live somewhere to know a lot about it, but I'm certain that there's a very strong correlation.

 

And I have no idea how providing sources for your information is debasing. It's a fundamental component of discourse on any topic, from climate change to petty gossip. I'm quite curious to know where it is you find information on China that is reasonable unbiased; I've tried and it's not easy, due to a combination totalitarian state, populist control of the media in the West, difficulty of verification, and various conflicting interests.

I counted 7 cranes operating on that building at once - I might have missed one or two, the time lapse goes so quickly. Considering most construction projects in the US don't go for 24 hours a day, don't operate 7 cranes at once, and don't have hundreds of people finishing the structure (electrical, insulation, floors, etc) as the frame is still being completed, I'm not impressed watching it a second time.

 

Only in a communist country...

Please, lets stop filling up this thread about mindless jabs at one another's ignorance, and borderline flame posts.

I counted 7 cranes operating on that building at once - I might have missed one or two, the time lapse goes so quickly. Considering most construction projects in the US don't go for 24 hours a day, don't operate 7 cranes at once, and don't have hundreds of people finishing the structure (electrical, insulation, floors, etc) as the frame is still being completed, I'm not impressed watching it a second time.

 

Only in a communist country...

 

EDIT: Sorry Shiny, took me a bit to write this post, so I didn't see yours. I'll leave it at this, although I must ask: if everyone is fine being off-topic in off-topic, why does being OT matter?

 

The idea that the achievement is somehow lessened because they have a different political system is laughable. "It was built by those atheistic, Mao-loving, America hatin' dirty commies, so it ain't as good!" Is largely what I've been reading here.

 

Yes, most construction will not include that much machinery, or that many people. But it was also built in 15 days. What would this normally take in North America? A year, maybe more?

 

As for China being Communist, that's actually now open to debate. Yes, officially their political system is Communist, as they're under more or less permanent rule by a single Communist Party, but it must be said that small and medium business has largely been turned over to capitalism in the form of corporations, foreign and homegrown. As for large scale-industry, it takes more the form of State Capitalism, which is not in any form Communism.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China#Politics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

At the same time there are posts that cite it as being more impressive because it shows a success of "those atheistic, Mao-loving, America hatin' dirty commies". It isn't like only one side is trying to prove their political point here.

 

The whole thing seems to be just a proxy for what people really want to argue about. Really, who here actually cares about the building methods, structure, and future of the hotel in question?

@ Mask, yes of course the whole point of the Olympics is to show the best of your country, what's wrong with that? It's propoganda in the way the whole world was there and a majority liked it? You know it wasn't only the Chinese government who said "OH, this building is top class!", and instead many foreigners who were there said the same?

Which is not the point I was getting at.

The show that any country puts on for the Olympics is nothing like what a country is actually like. The whole point is to impress the rest of the world.

Usually it goes further than that and no one region of a country is the same as another. Beijing is more than likely nothing like any other given area of China just as Detroit and Edmonton are nothing like other parts of The United States or Canada.

 

So what if it's nothing like the rest of the country? I'm not talking about China being uber wealthy and everyone is living comfortably, I'm talking about architecture, bonkers (saru) said the Chinese buildings were nothing like North American/ European building and I'm proving him wrong. What's wrong with using the Bird's Nest & other Olympic buildings as an example? I said Saru was subject to propoganda because I assume he gets all the information on how bad China is from his country's media, he is free to prove me wrong by telling me where he gets his information, and not by saying "you don't know where I get my news from, mmmmk?".

 

 

I'm not about to debase myself to that level, nice try though. And here's a fun fact, you can live in a country and know nothing about it, International boy.

 

Yes, but I've always thought that it's rather hard: if you're intelligent and inquisitive, it would be difficult to not assemble a great deal of knowledge about where you're living. Yes, you don't have to live somewhere to know a lot about it, but I'm certain that there's a very strong correlation.

 

 

 

It is actually VERY easy to know nothing about where you live. And I don't believe it has anything to do with intelligence. Curiosity yes, I will agree with you there, but China being so massive, there is too much to know.

 

All I was arguing was mass produced materials tend to be shoddy, Chinese mass produce materials. That was the base argument...

The idea that the achievement is somehow lessened because they have a different political system is laughable. "It was built by those atheistic, Mao-loving, America hatin' dirty commies, so it ain't as good!" Is largely what I've been reading here.

That's not what I said... and certainly not what I meant.

 

Sure, someone in America could put up a building that quickly, but it'd never be worth the cost. Scratch that - I don't know of anyone who prides America enough to plan far enough in advance and organize, then hire a few hundred people to put up a building in a short amount of time.

The idea that the achievement is somehow lessened because they have a different political system is laughable. "It was built by those atheistic, Mao-loving, America hatin' dirty commies, so it ain't as good!" Is largely what I've been reading here.

That's not what I said... and certainly not what I meant.

 

Sure, someone in America could put up a building that quickly, but it'd never be worth the cost. Scratch that - I don't know of anyone who prides America enough to plan far enough in advance and organize, then hire a few hundred people to put up a building in a short amount of time.

 

 

Yea. Effectively this.

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Day 12: Public denied access to structure - huge amounts of lead found in the paint.

Day 16: Chinese government outlaws national news crews from the surrounding area.

Day 18: All workers from the project have gone missing.

Day 20: Wall panels fall off - were attached with gorilla glue.

Day 27: Screws recalled to factory - made with radioactive materials.

Day 30: Metallic frame collapses.

 

And they will call it the Happy One Month Great Tower.

 

It's interesting that people are so determined to knock this project. I would like to revisit this in a few years. Yes, I'm sure there will be some problems, but such issues are essentially inherent into the construction of any building, no matter the size or speed at which is was assembled.

My theory is that people are insecure, and fearful about their position in the world. There are several Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Pakistanis, any number of people, that could all do your job, and likely better than you, if they were given the chance. However, they will not get that chance, for merit of their poverty, skin colour, or nationality. With greater globalization (which is inevitable, whatever the left/right would like to say) there will be greater equality. It's not going to be a leveling up for us, no matter the value that Thomas Friedman wishes to place on skilled labor and "roll-up-your-sleeves" work ethic.

 

It has actually been surprisingly easy for me to reconcile with the fact that I will not be able to take from the world as much as the members of the previous generation did. I hope that I'm never so greedy as to turn my back on the principles of equality, or so sure of my country's superiority over others to wait, fascinated, with the sadistic hope that my pretensions of superiority will be confirmed.

 

Ok. Once you have obtained a job, you may speculate about "the world." Until then, you don't have a valid approach.

 

And I agree with Dupin, even if I would personally bump the time table up about 6 days a faster.

 

To the underlined part, that is just plain wrong. Things built in China are utter [cabbage], and due to your lack of experience in the world, just in general, shows itself more clearly now. These building flaws do not happen in say, oh I don't know, America, Europe. China is trying to cut corners, and eventually they'll cut something they wish they hadn't.

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Mate, have you ever been to China before? Have you seen the buildings? Take the 2008 Olympics for an example, all the building were top of the class, safe and sound, cleverly designed. Don't talk [cabbage] about someone you've never seen before, k? Don't take the one-sided news you Americans recieve, its called propoganda, and I guess it's working. Why don't you get some experience on this subject before you start generalizing things.

 

Well I know more than you think I know, so I guess I can talk [cabbage]. By the way, Canada boy, you don't know where I get my news from, so don't pretend to, mmmk?

 

 

Heh heh it's funny what that guy said to you... Does he not know that all those top class buildings are empty? LMAO!

It's really amazing. China's work ethic is insane (good and bad at times.) and they are advancing very fast. I'm betting they might become the world's strongest power in a decade or two at this pace.

 

China will become the worlds strongest power because their caffeine intake is monstrous. Yes, that makes sense.