That is a case of atheists being more religious than the people they slander. My problem is not really with religion, but moreso "acting religious" - the religious mindset that can be seen amongst atheists and theists alike. As long as society can hold an average conversation without "god" or "the nonexistence of god" being brought up, I think we could get a lot more done.

From there it's more of not having people foam at the mouth when those beliefs are inevitably brought up.

 

Are you implying that you are intolerant about my belief system?

 

PS: Foaming at the mouth is literally the best thing you can do when religion is being argued over. Am I right??

That is a case of atheists being more religious than the people they slander. My problem is not really with religion, but moreso "acting religious" - the religious mindset that can be seen amongst atheists and theists alike. As long as society can hold an average conversation without "god" or "the nonexistence of god" being brought up, I think we could get a lot more done.

From there it's more of not having people foam at the mouth when those beliefs are inevitably brought up.

 

Are you implying that you are intolerant about my belief system?

 

PS: Foaming at the mouth is literally the best thing you can do when religion is being argued over. Am I right??

On this forum? Probably.

That is a case of atheists being more religious than the people they slander. My problem is not really with religion, but moreso "acting religious" - the religious mindset that can be seen amongst atheists and theists alike. As long as society can hold an average conversation without "god" or "the nonexistence of god" being brought up, I think we could get a lot more done.

From there it's more of not having people foam at the mouth when those beliefs are inevitably brought up.

 

Are you implying that you are intolerant about my belief system?

 

PS: Foaming at the mouth is literally the best thing you can do when religion is being argued over. Am I right??

On this forum? Probably.

That and posting a bunch of half-witty pictures.

Are you implying that you are intolerant about my belief system?

Actually I agree fully.

E:^NO U.

a) Both cases are political issues being portrayed as religious issues

b) Your inability to recognize the inherent and permanent connection between religion and politics is shameful

c) Religion and politics in the Middle East are literally the same thing. If you need me to be more specific, I will.

 

Lol yeah I'm done with you

E:^NO U.

a) Both cases are political issues being portrayed as religious issues

b) Your inability to recognize the inherent and permanent connection between religion and politics is shameful

c) Religion and politics in the Middle East are literally the same thing. If you need me to be more specific, I will.

 

Lol yeah I'm done with you

Denial is the first stage of grief.

 

E: Link. You'll notice that anger comes next.

how are you not banned for blatant trolling?

Ok, let's stay on topic. There's no need to call each other trolls...I think these religion debates tend to bring out the worst in many (myself included).

 

So...muslims. Terrorists. Discuss!

how are you not banned for blatant trolling?

Mild and moderate trolls are now legal in the TIF Penal System.

 

Ok, let's stay on topic. There's no need to call each other trolls...I think these religion debates tend to bring out the worst in many (myself included).

 

So...muslims. Terrorists. Discuss!

Okay! Uh, Islam is a very peaceful religion, except for some pieces where it says to absolutely kill X person, but that's just a metaphor suited with the times, man.

Uh, no. In Islam it is clearly a call to Jihad and the whole religion should be condemned. Of course, when it's in the Bible it's just a misinterpretation.

Of course, when it's in the Bible it's just a misinterpretation.

When it's in the Bible it's called the Old Testament...

Of course, when it's in the Bible it's just a misinterpretation.

When it's in the Bible it's called the Old Testament...

 

Because that clearly doesn't apply to Christians at all.

 

At any rate, I've always found it curious how Christians don't keep kosher or celebrate Jewish holidays. Seems like they should, according to scripture. Oh and also, if you don't think Christianity ever started war, you should take a look at Northern Ireland, the Crusades, 30 Years War, and most of European politics from the 16th and 17th centuries. Protestants versus Catholics.

Of course, when it's in the Bible it's just a misinterpretation.

When it's in the Bible it's called the Old Testament...

 

Because that clearly doesn't apply to Christians at all.

 

At any rate, I've always found it curious how Christians don't keep kosher or celebrate Jewish holidays. Seems like they should, according to scripture. Oh and also, if you don't think Christianity ever started war, you should take a look at Northern Ireland, the Crusades, 30 Years War, and most of European politics from the 16th and 17th centuries. Protestants versus Catholics.

 

Christianity != Judaism. And no one is saying that Christianity wasn't a reason people used to start wars in the past. But does it really matteR? If it wasn't in the name of God it would've been in the name of themselves.

 

*cartwheels through the topic*

Of course, when it's in the Bible it's just a misinterpretation.

When it's in the Bible it's called the Old Testament...

 

Because that clearly doesn't apply to Christians at all.

 

At any rate, I've always found it curious how Christians don't keep kosher or celebrate Jewish holidays. Seems like they should, according to scripture. Oh and also, if you don't think Christianity ever started war, you should take a look at Northern Ireland, the Crusades, 30 Years War, and most of European politics from the 16th and 17th centuries. Protestants versus Catholics.

Maybe you should look at Matthew 15:10-20.

Of course, when it's in the Bible it's just a misinterpretation.

When it's in the Bible it's called the Old Testament...

Meaning what? Many, many Christians support the Old Testament.

 

[spoiler=A quick Google search for dirt on the New Testament]

“I praise you for being faithful in remembering me. I also praise you for staying true to all my teachings, just as I gave them to you. Now I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ. The head of the woman is the man. And the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered brings shame on his head. 5 And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered brings shame on her head. It is just as if her head were shaved. What if a woman does not cover her head? She should have her hair cut off. But it is shameful for her to cut her hair or shave it off. So she should cover her head. A man should not cover his head. He is the likeness and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man. 8 The man did not come from the woman. The woman came from the man. Also, the man was not created for the woman. The woman was created for the man. 10 That's why a woman should have her head covered. It shows that she is under authority. She should also cover her head because of the angels. “....

-1 Corinthians 11

 

Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10 Corinthians

With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28 Romans

 

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24 Matthew

Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9 Matthew

 

Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9 Luke

Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47 Luke

In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27 Luke

 

Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." 5:14 John

Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66 John [My own note: lawl messianic complex with cannnibalistic mood - this guy's a real gem]

 

Peter claims that Deuteronomy 18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23 Acts

Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32 Romans

God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10 Thessalonians

"The Lord destroyed them that believed not." 5 Jude [Don't make it bad]

 

Four angels, with an army of 200 million, killed a third of the earth's population. 9:15-19 Revelation

God gave the saints and prophets blood to drink. 16:6 Revelation

With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful in heaven into holy war on earth. 19:14-15 Revelation

 

The short ones are from http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/, the first was just a random search result.

 

 

 

I hope you read that, as it's exactly what people have been asking for all along in these religious debates.

How'sabout we just stop condemning people whose beliefs we don't agree with? Hm? It's bad when the KKK does it, why should it be any different for one of us?

*cartwheels through the topic*

 

Hey, cut that out. This is no place for games.

 

On topic, I don't think statistics are of much help in finding out how many Muslims really uphold terrorist ideals. On one hand, the statisticians could be skewing the results by asking vague questions and extrapolating it to "violence". On the other hand, someone's personal testimony about their own violence is not a foolproof means of acquiring the truth. Either way, I don't think it's possible to find accurate statistics on the matter.

Of course, when it's in the Bible it's just a misinterpretation.

When it's in the Bible it's called the Old Testament...

Meaning what? Many, many Christians support the Old Testament.

 

[spoiler=A quick Google search for dirt on the New Testament]

I praise you for being faithful in remembering me. I also praise you for staying true to all my teachings, just as I gave them to you. Now I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ. The head of the woman is the man. And the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered brings shame on his head. 5 And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered brings shame on her head. It is just as if her head were shaved. What if a woman does not cover her head? She should have her hair cut off. But it is shameful for her to cut her hair or shave it off. So she should cover her head. A man should not cover his head. He is the likeness and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man. 8 The man did not come from the woman. The woman came from the man. Also, the man was not created for the woman. The woman was created for the man. 10 That's why a woman should have her head covered. It shows that she is under authority. She should also cover her head because of the angels. ....

-1 Corinthians 11

 

Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10 Corinthians

With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28 Romans

 

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24 Matthew

Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9 Matthew

 

Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9 Luke

Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47 Luke

In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27 Luke

 

Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." 5:14 John

Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66 John [My own note: lawl messianic complex with cannnibalistic mood - this guy's a real gem]

 

Peter claims that Deuteronomy 18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23 Acts

Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32 Romans

God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10 Thessalonians

"The Lord destroyed them that believed not." 5 Jude [Don't make it bad]

 

Four angels, with an army of 200 million, killed a third of the earth's population. 9:15-19 Revelation

God gave the saints and prophets blood to drink. 16:6 Revelation

With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful in heaven into holy war on earth. 19:14-15 Revelation

 

The short ones are from http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/, the first was just a random search result.

 

 

 

I hope you read that, as it's exactly what people have been asking for all along in these religious debates.

 

As a Catholic, I believe that every Sunday when I go to mass, I eat Jesus' body and drink His blood. Why does that bother you so much?

Of course, when it's in the Bible it's just a misinterpretation.

When it's in the Bible it's called the Old Testament...

Meaning what? Many, many Christians support the Old Testament.

 

[spoiler=A quick Google search for dirt on the New Testament]

I praise you for being faithful in remembering me. I also praise you for staying true to all my teachings, just as I gave them to you. Now I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ. The head of the woman is the man. And the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered brings shame on his head. 5 And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered brings shame on her head. It is just as if her head were shaved. What if a woman does not cover her head? She should have her hair cut off. But it is shameful for her to cut her hair or shave it off. So she should cover her head. A man should not cover his head. He is the likeness and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man. 8 The man did not come from the woman. The woman came from the man. Also, the man was not created for the woman. The woman was created for the man. 10 That's why a woman should have her head covered. It shows that she is under authority. She should also cover her head because of the angels. ....

-1 Corinthians 11

 

Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10 Corinthians

With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28 Romans

 

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24 Matthew

Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9 Matthew

 

Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9 Luke

Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47 Luke

In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27 Luke

 

Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." 5:14 John

Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66 John [My own note: lawl messianic complex with cannnibalistic mood - this guy's a real gem]

 

Peter claims that Deuteronomy 18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23 Acts

Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32 Romans

God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10 Thessalonians

"The Lord destroyed them that believed not." 5 Jude [Don't make it bad]

 

Four angels, with an army of 200 million, killed a third of the earth's population. 9:15-19 Revelation

God gave the saints and prophets blood to drink. 16:6 Revelation

With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful in heaven into holy war on earth. 19:14-15 Revelation

 

The short ones are from http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/, the first was just a random search result.

 

 

 

I hope you read that, as it's exactly what people have been asking for all along in these religious debates.

 

As a Catholic, I believe that every Sunday when I go to mass, I eat Jesus' body and drink His blood. Why does that bother you so much?

That's all you got out of there? Of course, that's a metaphor, and the quote may have been as well, but if you don't have a problem with cannibalism we have a bigger issue than just the religious disagreement.

That's all you got out of there? Of course, that's a metaphor, and the quote may have been as well, but if you don't have a problem with cannibalism we have a bigger issue than just the religious disagreement.

Uh, no, it isn't.

That's all you got out of there? Of course, that's a metaphor, and the quote may have been as well, but if you don't have a problem with cannibalism we have a bigger issue than just the religious disagreement.

Uh, no, it isn't.

OK, so the little dry cracker is, like, Jesus' little toe flattened out, and somehow it regenerates in cracker form each week?

That's all you got out of there? Of course, that's a metaphor, and the quote may have been as well, but if you don't have a problem with cannibalism we have a bigger issue than just the religious disagreement.

Uh, no, it isn't.

OK, so the little dry cracker is, like, Jesus' little toe flattened out, and somehow it regenerates in cracker form each week?

Symbolism fail.

OK, so the little dry cracker is, like, Jesus' little toe flattened out, and somehow it regenerates in cracker form each week?

That's exactly what happens [/sarcasm]

Edit:

Clearly you're the expert on religion now, so I'm going to defer all questions to you.

OK, so the little dry cracker is, like, Jesus' little toe flattened out, and somehow it regenerates in cracker form each week?

That's exactly what happens [/sarcasm]

Edit:

Clearly you're the expert on religion now, so I'm going to defer all questions to you.

No, I am seriously trying to understand. You seemed to say that you literally believe that the cracker and wine are Jesus's flesh and blood, and I was asking for clarification. Were you being sarcastic?

 

E: And I'm not an expert on religion at all, getting that info is the closest I've ever come to reading the Bible.

OK, so the little dry cracker is, like, Jesus' little toe flattened out, and somehow it regenerates in cracker form each week?

That's exactly what happens [/sarcasm]

Edit:

Clearly you're the expert on religion now, so I'm going to defer all questions to you.

No, I am seriously trying to understand. You seemed to say that you literally believe that the cracker and wine are Jesus's flesh and blood, and I was asking for clarification. Were you being sarcastic?

 

E: And I'm not an expert on religion at all, getting that info is the closest I've ever come to reading the Bible.

 

 

If you're looking for honest input, you need more than one answer. The Eucharist and transubstantiation are very highly debated topics in the church. I believe it's just symbolism, the cracker doesn't actually become flesh, nor does the grape juice actually become blood.

OK, so the little dry cracker is, like, Jesus' little toe flattened out, and somehow it regenerates in cracker form each week?

That's exactly what happens [/sarcasm]

Edit:

Clearly you're the expert on religion now, so I'm going to defer all questions to you.

No, I am seriously trying to understand. You seemed to say that you literally believe that the cracker and wine are Jesus's flesh and blood, and I was asking for clarification. Were you being sarcastic?

 

E: And I'm not an expert on religion at all, getting that info is the closest I've ever come to reading the Bible.

If you're looking for honest input, you need more than one answer. The Eucharist and transubstantiation are very highly debated topics in the church. I believe it's just symbolism, the cracker doesn't actually become flesh, nor does the grape juice actually become blood.

I never knew there were people who actually believed it was blood, somehow. Does it magically transform once ingested? Serious question for whoever understands the viewpoint.

 

Also, Saru, you may want to look through the website I quoted, as it has a whole page devoted to the Bible's opinions on homosexuality, including the New Testament. To me, it seemed the anti-homosexuality was more common, but it tended to be someone's interpretation of Jesus's teachings, and not Jesus himself saying it.