Prayer

[Carhartt]

Okay I want to get 95 prayer eventually. My bank is worth currently 70m (yeah I'm poor) and I'm going to spend it all on bones

I was thinking to use big bones cause its so much cheaper even though its gonna take alot longer.

My question was should I use big bones or should I buy dragon bones or should I just invest that 70m into something else. All input will be appreicated.

[wioneo]

I would say use dragon bones and continue making money.

 

That is, unless frost/wyvern bones are comparable(haven't played in a while).

[Th e Doctor]

The problem with using big bones is that the amount of time extra it takes doesn't justify the money saved. It would take less time to get 95 prayer earning money and using d bones or frost d bones with that money.

 

You will lose out on more money and time from using big bones.

[BloodAngel]

Personally I would suggest using at least dragon bones because the time you save not doing big bones can be spent on making the money to buy more dragon bones. Doing 150k big bones rather than 31k dragon or 11k frost dragon bones would be pretty soul destroying too :P

[Sy_Accursed]

Training prayer with anything less than dragon bones is mental.

Atm frost dragon bones are very close to equal on gp:xp but still a bit higher.

 

If you want to pure and simple do it as cheap as possible take dragon bones to the ectofunctus, its slower xp:hr but it its better gp:xp

[Nifflin]

Ecto is even less efficient then offering big bones.

[Sy_Accursed]

Ecto is even less efficient then offering big bones.

 

Hence in my post I clearly said if you are ONLY CONCERNED WITH DOING IT CHEAP.

And clearly stated it is BETTER Gp:xp but WORSE xp:hr

[Quyneax]

If you want to do it the cheapest way you use regular bones at the Ectofungus (which is actually called Ectofuntus iirc).

 

If you want to live through it, use dragon bones on an altar. If you don't have the money, it's probably faster to hunt for the bones yourself than altaring big bones.

[gremmy]

Don't think 70m will do. I'd recommend you go make some more money :)

[Nifflin]

Ecto is even less efficient then offering big bones.

 

Hence in my post I clearly said if you are ONLY CONCERNED WITH DOING IT CHEAP.

And clearly stated it is BETTER Gp:xp but WORSE xp:hr

 

Well it's a bit stupid, you say that anything less the dragon bones is mental. Then you offer a way that is even slower then regular dragon bones as an alternative. By your own logic then, ecto is mental.

 

And it is, it takes so long that I'm very sure that altering big bones is faster then ectoing dragon bones. Really, you underestimate how tedious collecting the slime is and then grinding the bones. Sure, it's afk, but then again, so is offering big bones in the first place. And ectoing dragon bones is even more gp/exp.

 

Regular bones and big bones are about .5 gp/exp apart. Use big bones. Use a house alter, you are getting like 20 more exp by ectoing them, but it's really, really not worth it.

 

Even though it sounds like a lot of big bones, it's a pretty afk skill and if you have the guts to sit through it, all the more power to you.

[Sy_Accursed]

Ecto is even less efficient then offering big bones.

 

Hence in my post I clearly said if you are ONLY CONCERNED WITH DOING IT CHEAP.

And clearly stated it is BETTER Gp:xp but WORSE xp:hr

 

Well it's a bit stupid, you say that anything less the dragon bones is mental. Then you offer a way that is even slower then regular dragon bones as an alternative. By your own logic then, ecto is mental.

 

And it is, it takes so long that I'm very sure that altering big bones is faster then ectoing dragon bones. Really, you underestimate how tedious collecting the slime is and then grinding the bones. Sure, it's afk, but then again, so is offering big bones in the first place. And ectoing dragon bones is even more gp/exp.

 

Regular bones and big bones are about .5 gp/exp apart. Use big bones. Use a house alter, you are getting like 20 more exp by ectoing them, but it's really, really not worth it.

 

Even though it sounds like a lot of big bones, it's a pretty afk skill and if you have the guts to sit through it, all the more power to you.

 

I never claimed ecto was faster than offering d bones, I only said that bones below d bones are stupidly slow xp rates.

Yes ecto is slower than using an altar.

But doing lower than d bones on either is still pointlessly slow.

 

Ecto comes under personal taste, its not as slow as people make it out to be. But it is substantially slower than altar; but that doesnt alter my point that is is better gp:xp than the altar.

 

I personally quite enjoy relatively short bursts at ecto I did 77 - 81 prayer there the other day was only a couple of hours work.

 

So to clarify my points to cover the random holes people insist on picking:

 

1) Any bones below normal dragon bones used for prayer training is insanely slow xp and thus though cheaper really isn't overly worth while unless you REALLLLLY wanna manage to do prayer on a tiny budget and don;t mind the dramatic time increase

2) Ectoing is slower xp than altar BUT it is also significantly better gp:xp ratio

[Nifflin]

Ecto gives 400% experience and alter gives 350% experience. That mean ecto gives just over 14% more experience then a lit alter. I'm sure it takes more then 14% more time. Therefor, ecto is always a bad choice.

 

14% is not significant enough to warrant using ecto. The gp/exp ratio is not sinificantly better.

 

Edit: I'll cal the gp/exp ratios of both too, just for you.

 

Altering Dragon bones: 18.6 coins/XP

Ectoing Dragon bones: 16.2 coins/XP

 

Altering Big bones: 9.8 coins/XP

Ectoing Big bones: 8.6 coins/XP

 

Now, the time factor. Given that the difference is around 2gp/exp for dragon bones and 1gp/exp for big bones, you just need to ask yourself if it's worth spending hours and hours more collecting slime, grinding bones, banking, offering at ecto to save that 1 or 2 gp/exp.

[Sy_Accursed]

Niffin wat is your problem?

 

1) 350%xp vs 400% xp, thats an extra 50% xp not 14% a bone that gives 10xp for burying gives 35xp on altar, 40xp on ecto. Thats 50% extra on the normal xp.

2) You are talking about SPEED. Yes I have said everytime in terms of SPEED it is slower.

3) I am talking about COST. It is 100% undeniable that getting 400% xp per bone gives more gp:xp and thus is a cheaper option.

 

 

You can't jsut say "its not better"

I clear quantified it is better in terms of COST but not SPEED.

Not EVERYBODY simply wants to fastest methods, some care more about cost for expensive skills.

[Quyneax]

That's not an extra 50%, lol. It's cheaper but you're not getting 50% more xp at the Ectofungus.

[Nifflin]

Niffin wat is your problem?

 

1) 350%xp vs 400% xp, thats an extra 50% xp not 14% a bone that gives 10xp for burying gives 35xp on altar, 40xp on ecto. Thats 50% extra on the normal xp.

2) You are talking about SPEED. Yes I have said everytime in terms of SPEED it is slower.

3) I am talking about COST. It is 100% undeniable that getting 400% xp per bone gives more gp:xp and thus is a cheaper option.

 

 

You can't jsut say "its not better"

I clear quantified it is better in terms of COST but not SPEED.

Not EVERYBODY simply wants to fastest methods, some care more about cost for expensive skills.

 

Okay, first. Clearly you don't understand math that well. To find out what percentage more experience ecto is over alter you don't add 50% experience. It's not like a bone you alter for 100 exp is ectoed for 150, it's ectoed for 114. Try it, I'm right. You find out what percentage it is better by doing 400/350. This gives the pure gp/exp advantage of one over the other.

 

Now, the second thing you don't understand is that time = money. If you only wanted to look at cost then they could get a bonecrusher and kill chickens to 99 prayer for free. But it's bad, why? Because during that time they could have made more then enough money to do a faster method and have time left over.

 

 

So it is deniable that a 14% bonus is worth it because time = money, when you waste time, you are costing yourself what you could have been spending that time on. So really ecto is the more expensive option as your are costing yourself time and the opportunity to make more money or do other things.

 

Edit: Thanks Quyneax for ninjaing me on that.

[Sy_Accursed]

Ergh people are throwing in useless semantical issues here.

 

I never said ecto is 50% more xp than the altar xp. I meant 50% more than base xp.

It's all semantics; heck I even cleary said "thats 50% more on the normal xp" in the prior post.

 

As for the other issue yes if you factor in money making time and assume the player has reasonable money making ability it does level the playing field.

all that was neccessary was to calrify this in your first post rather than waste all this spamming back and forth.

 

I mean how hard is it to say "Ectofunctus is actually worse when you factor in time=money" instead of just "It's worse"

Afterall I never said I included time spent money making; I only said the ecotfunctus itself offer a better gp:xp ratio than altar.

[Nifflin]

As for me actually understanding your posts, it's hard because your English isn't great, I don't like to grammar nazi people but if you don't want to be misunderstood try to present your ideas more eloquently. I'm doing my best though, my apologies. I just don't think you understand how those percentages work becuase you didn't seem to understand the math I was doing with them and insulting me as a result of your misunderstanding.

 

Anyways, as this is a help and advice forum, it's a bit bad for you to be giving advice without looking at the whole picture. Ecto is bad when you do this, as my calculations have shown, in the long run due to its slow speed you sacrifice even more money then you would altering. Therefor it would be better for OP not to ecto his bones. I think we can both agree on that at this point.

 

As for spamming the forums, you're simply offering bad advice and I feel guilty if I let OP think it's credible. I shouldn't need to explain that time=money in every thread I make a post in, I assume people have that basic understanding. It is something you need to factor in to any calculations in order to find the most efficient method. Thus, when I say something is either best or worst, it is always factoring that in unless I specifically make an exception.

[Sy_Accursed]

My turn of phrase can be odd on occasion, but theres nout wrong with my english.

You don;t need to explain time = money, you do however need to clarify wtf ur commenting on and don;t just assume stuff.

 

My first post clear just said if you wanna do it cheap ecto is better gp:xp but worse xp:hr.

 

I never said efficient or anything of the sort, you just went and assumed aload of stuff. and made ambiguous comments based on them

[Nifflin]

If you want to pure and simple do it as cheap as possible take dragon bones to the ectofunctus, its slower xp:hr but it its better gp:xp

 

That is what you said in your first post. Now, you said it is as cheap as possible when it really is not because time=money and your method will cost more time and therefor more money.

 

You are wrong, that is it.

[Bladewing]

My first post clear just said if you wanna do it cheap ecto is better gp:xp but worse xp:hr.

it would be cheaper and faster xp to kill dragons for their bones and use them on a gilded altar than to buy big bones and use them on ectofuntus.

 

that's how bad ecto is.

[Sy_Accursed]

If you want to pure and simple do it as cheap as possible take dragon bones to the ectofunctus, its slower xp:hr but it its better gp:xp

 

That is what you said in your first post. Now, you said it is as cheap as possible when it really is not because time=money and your method will cost more time and therefor more money.

 

You are wrong, that is it.

 

That's all your first response needed to say.

Instead you excluded to give any reasoning and thus resulted in all this.

 

You included a factor I ignored, yes with that factor ecto is a a less efficient way to do it.

[Noxx]

If you want to pure and simple do it as cheap as possible take dragon bones to the ectofunctus, its slower xp:hr but it its better gp:xp

 

That is what you said in your first post. Now, you said it is as cheap as possible when it really is not because time=money and your method will cost more time and therefor more money.

 

You are wrong, that is it.

 

That's all your first response needed to say.

Instead you excluded to give any reasoning and thus resulted in all this.

 

You included a factor I ignored, yes with that factor ecto is a a less efficient way to do it.

Maybe you should think about not posting on H&A anymore? I've read a lot of your posts and almost 80% of them are horrible advice. Just saying :\

 

Anyway, to OP: Like most people have said, it's going to be a lot better/faster to use whatever you have and buy Dragon Bones. Frost Bones if you want to go all out, but Dragon Bones will be just fine. You're going to end up saving a lot of time if you just make an extra bit of money, then buying more bones. And also it's going to be a lot more fun than training prayer for ~343251254 hours.