Hey, i though the wildy/free trade update was coming along fine, but i had only pked and done dungeoneering n that time. I decided to go woodcutting and it was ridiculous, port sarim's willows had at most 4 people there before the update and now it has 10. Im sure it is like this for most spots in runescape. Anyway here is my solution, basically after an hour of constant playing a box comes up on your screen hcih covers the whole of it, the only way you can close it is by solving the puzzle in it or logging out (auto-logs out after 2 mins). The puzzle screen basically is split in half, one half has a random word the other has jumbled up letters. What you have to do is re-arrange the letters so it matches the word. If you dont do it in 2 mins then you get logged out and can log back in straight away with the puzzle gone (if you play for another hour straight it comes back up). I f you complete the puzzle you get a random event present. This idea help stops the bots, as the bot will not be able to complete the puzzle and so will log out and will not log in until the owner logs it back in again. This will stop the effectivness of bots as they will not be able to play for more than 1 hour straight and generally the owner will not be there to log them back in in the short term.

Yeah clearly this work cause this in as no way as randomly generated or as simple as the existing random events are; which clearly none of the bots can do.

 

Get real, it'd work for maybe a day then it'd just be an annoyance because bot programs would update to solve it in the exact same way they can deal with every single random event in game successfully.

Not a bad idea but don't the random events we now do the same thing? It seems to me that you just want to add in another but have a set time on it. And if there was a set time the player could come back, do it, and leave again.

More random events aren't going to kill botting. 10 years of Runescape has shown this.

the only way people will stop botting is if jagex revolutionizes the gameplay and makes it too complex to bot

the only way people will stop botting is if jagex revolutionizes the gameplay and makes it too complex to bot

 

Well, when Jagex revolutionizes gameplay, the bot developers will revolutionize the bot achievements.

 

And thread starter fails to realise that Jagex don't wan't to stop botting because it's a large part of their income.

One i think it will be quite hard speeling out a word for bots.

2. Ye basically randoms but more frequent, normal players dont generally play hour straight they genereally have breaks or jobs to do but bots do anyway it is easy to do for humans so it wouldnt be annoying.

3. If they liked bots then why would they of introduced cappped trade in frist place?

the only way people will stop botting is if jagex revolutionizes the gameplay and makes it too complex to bot

 

Well, when Jagex revolutionizes gameplay, the bot developers will revolutionize the bot achievements.

 

And thread starter fails to realise that Jagex don't wan't to stop botting because it's a large part of their income.

have you seen any call of duty bots?

 

no, because it is too complex to bot.

 

that is what i'm referring to

One i think it will be quite hard speeling out a word for bots.

2. Ye basically randoms but more frequent, normal players dont generally play hour straight they genereally have breaks or jobs to do but bots do anyway it is easy to do for humans so it wouldnt be annoying.

3. If they liked bots then why would they of introduced cappped trade in frist place?

 

Uh, that was due to the outrageous amounts of scamming with higher priced items. Bots had nothing to do with it. Or, not a large part at least.

 

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Oh, hi, I'm new here.

To be honest, i'd be pretty annoyed if one of these puzzles came up during a clan war >:o

 

and no it would not stop botting because imm pretty sure that the bot coders would figure out a way to solve the puzzle.

One i think it will be quite hard speeling out a word for bots.

2. Ye basically randoms but more frequent, normal players dont generally play hour straight they genereally have breaks or jobs to do but bots do anyway it is easy to do for humans so it wouldnt be annoying.

3. If they liked bots then why would they of introduced cappped trade in frist place?

 

Uh, that was due to the outrageous amounts of scamming with higher priced items. Bots had nothing to do with it. Or, not a large part at least.

 

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Oh, hi, I'm new here.

hi

 

they did not take away free trade because of either scamming or expensive items

 

they took away free trade to attempt to kill off bots because bots were using stolen credit cards, costing jagex money

 

bots stopped using stolen credit cards, and continued on botting and paying $5 a month

To be honest, i'd be pretty annoyed if one of these puzzles came up during a clan war >:o

 

and no it would not stop botting because imm pretty sure that the bot coders would figure out a way to solve the puzzle.

 

Yup, pretty much this, Imagine if your half way through Nex/Pking when this little screen pops up, you can't exactly log out then, can you? :thumbdown:

One i think it will be quite hard speeling out a word for bots.

2. Ye basically randoms but more frequent, normal players dont generally play hour straight they genereally have breaks or jobs to do but bots do anyway it is easy to do for humans so it wouldnt be annoying.

3. If they liked bots then why would they of introduced cappped trade in frist place?

 

Uh, that was due to the outrageous amounts of scamming with higher priced items. Bots had nothing to do with it. Or, not a large part at least.

 

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Oh, hi, I'm new here.

hi

 

they did not take away free trade because of either scamming or expensive items

 

they took away free trade to attempt to kill off bots because bots were using stolen credit cards, costing jagex money

 

bots stopped using stolen credit cards, and continued on botting and paying $5 a month

 

Well that was awkward.

 

Agreed with VoidRealm

I think the ignorance award should be split between NikolaiH and Amberpyre for their combined utter failure on knowing what bot issues are.

Botting does not make a large part of jagex's income because loooooaaaaaads of the bots out there are run by RWTers and account sellers and such, especially in china, that buy members using credit card fraud. Which results in jagex having to refund all the membership payments made from that card AND pay a hefty fee to the card operator for the admin of it all or face losing the ability to use that card type for payments. And free trade was taken away to stop this as detailed above.

 

But anyway back on topic:

 

It still stands this idea is an utter failure because its jsut a slightly different random event and as thoroughly proven in the past bots can be coded to deal with these.

 

Also @Bladewing the reason games like Call of Duty don't have bots is because theres nothing to gain hugely in botting them. There not a grind intensive game that rich dweeds wanna "play" without playing and they aren't something chinese gaming seller companies can rwt really since user data etc is tied to consoles and discs and gamertags and not something easily tradaded in the same way rs items are or an rs account can be.

I think the ignorance award should be split between NikolaiH and Amberpyre for their combined utter failure on knowing what bot issues are.

Botting does not make a large part of jagex's income because loooooaaaaaads of the bots out there are run by RWTers and account sellers and such, especially in china, that buy members using credit card fraud. Which results in jagex having to refund all the membership payments made from that card AND pay a hefty fee to the card operator for the admin of it all or face losing the ability to use that card type for payments. And free trade was taken away to stop this as detailed above.

But anyway back on topic:

 

It still stands this idea is an utter failure because its jsut a slightly different random event and as thoroughly proven in the past bots can be coded to deal with these.

 

Also @Bladewing the reason games like Call of Duty don't have bots is because theres nothing to gain hugely in botting them. There not a grind intensive game that rich dweeds wanna "play" without playing and they aren't something chinese gaming seller companies can rwt really since user data etc is tied to consoles and discs and gamertags and not something easily tradaded in the same way rs items are or an rs account can be.

 

Well excuse me for not joining Runescape before FT was removed the first time. :roll:

isn't that the definition of ignorance? :s

KK.1. Have you ever played cod4 pc? there are bots, it can never be too complex because bot makers will just overcome it (an actually cod bots on pc arent that hard to make)

2.Completely agree with you sy, everyone says that bots make jagex money they do in a sense but they make a loss as well which is bigger than the profit.

3. They removed free trade and wildy cos of bots.... not causes of scamming

After posting in another thread of yours and a couple thought processes going together there is a way to stop botting, it's hitting people where it hurts. If I were Jagex I would work on implementing a way to watch every single trade in-game. And I wouldn't announce this. Then if two accounts who have never met before all of the sudden meet and one account receives a massive amount of income with nothing in return that account would be flagged and reviewed within 72 hours. If you start banning the people who buy the gold and the word of mouth is that within 72 hours of buying gold you will be banned it will die down and then a new method would be found out. Again, being Jagex I would have a squad of people buy gold regularly to see the methods used to obtain the illegal currency and ban the new method as it comes out.

 

The main problem though, and I'm pretty confident when I say this, Jagex doesn't want to hire a team of 10-20 people just to stop botting as that means more resources of their own are used up. Then you have the people who buy gold and that's the only reason they place this game, leave. Then because botters aren't needed as highly as before that dies down. Then because accounts are leaving they drag real life friends and what not with them and it has potential to be catastrophic. I think that morally it's the right thing to do to crack down hard on rwt but the costs for a company may be too high.

 

@ Amberpyre - Oh, what, you got called out and you want to shrug it off now? If you have no idea on an issue then you should at least read up on the issue before commenting on it. This is how politicians act, don't be one of them.

KK.1. Have you ever played cod4 pc? there are bots, it can never be too complex because bot makers will just overcome it (an actually cod bots on pc arent that hard to make)

2.Completely agree with you sy, everyone says that bots make jagex money they do in a sense but they make a loss as well which is bigger than the profit.

3. They removed free trade and wildy cos of bots.... not causes of scamming

 

Apparently you haven't seen my previous post.

KK.1. Have you ever played cod4 pc? there are bots, it can never be too complex because bot makers will just overcome it (an actually cod bots on pc arent that hard to make)

2.Completely agree with you sy, everyone says that bots make jagex money they do in a sense but they make a loss as well which is bigger than the profit.

3. They removed free trade and wildy cos of bots.... not causes of scamming

 

Apparently you haven't seen my previous post.

 

Uh, that was due to the outrageous amounts of scamming with higher priced items. Bots had nothing to do with it. Or, not a large part at least.

 

Or are we misreading what you said?

After posting in another thread of yours and a couple thought processes going together there is a way to stop botting, it's hitting people where it hurts. If I were Jagex I would work on implementing a way to watch every single trade in-game. And I wouldn't announce this. Then if two accounts who have never met before all of the sudden meet and one account receives a massive amount of income with nothing in return that account would be flagged and reviewed within 72 hours. If you start banning the people who buy the gold and the word of mouth is that within 72 hours of buying gold you will be banned it will die down and then a new method would be found out. Again, being Jagex I would have a squad of people buy gold regularly to see the methods used to obtain the illegal currency and ban the new method as it comes out.

 

The main problem though, and I'm pretty confident when I say this, Jagex doesn't want to hire a team of 10-20 people just to stop botting as that means more resources of their own are used up. Then you have the people who buy gold and that's the only reason they place this game, leave. Then because botters aren't needed as highly as before that dies down. Then because accounts are leaving they drag real life friends and what not with them and it has potential to be catastrophic. I think that morally it's the right thing to do to crack down hard on rwt but the costs for a company may be too high.

 

@ Amberpyre - Oh, what, you got called out and you want to shrug it off now? If you have no idea on an issue then you should at least read up on the issue before commenting on it. This is how politicians act, don't be one of them.

 

They already do monitor every trade in-game and have done for years.

All 1 way trades get flagged to be looked at, but its a massive game with thousands of trades happening every hour.

And accounts do get banned/punished via this route.

KK.1. Have you ever played cod4 pc? there are bots, it can never be too complex because bot makers will just overcome it (an actually cod bots on pc arent that hard to make)

2.Completely agree with you sy, everyone says that bots make jagex money they do in a sense but they make a loss as well which is bigger than the profit.

3. They removed free trade and wildy cos of bots.... not causes of scamming

 

Apparently you haven't seen my previous post.

 

Uh, that was due to the outrageous amounts of scamming with higher priced items. Bots had nothing to do with it. Or, not a large part at least.

 

Or are we misreading what you said?

 

I got told off for saying that, and I apologize for not having even HEARD OF RUNESCAPE before Free Trade was taken away the first time. (Really wasn't a big topic where I lived at the time)

 

And, eh, at one of the previous posts, I do say that I could not have read up on this issue because by the time I actually joined Runescape they just took the information off the web, so there is no possible way I could have "read about it"

ITT: 'intelligent' posters with underdeveloped social skills

 

lol, 10 posts and joined 2 days ago - give the guy a break... i remember when tip.it was a pretty chill place with a good atmosphere - now it's full of [puncture]s who just LOVE to jump on the 'LOL U MAKE MISTAKE' bandwagon

 

it's just a game, and just a fansite about a game - you really expect people to read up and research every post made?

 

somebodiesgot2muchtimeonhishands

 

inb4 'intelligent' but immature rebuttal

 

...

 

On topic: Nah man, more randoms wont solve runescape botting - they only spoil the game more for legit players

 

botters will always have the upper hand, considering they have the luxury to code reactively around jagex updates,

 

i don't believe there is a solution and i'd rather jagex didnt waste their time trying to find one - keeping updates focused around 'skill' based content; the best gear being character bound upon pickup - unlocked by killing tough bosses and hard quests - could drive down both the ingame and real world value of gp pretty low, as it would only be useful for purchasing supplies and buyable skills

 

too many bots > too much raw materials / combat supplies in market > low prices > nobody needs to buy gold > less bots

 

the less profitable botting is, the less bots there will be

Righhhht, and you continue the mudslinging by using intelligence in a derogatory manner. The only reason I brought up amberpyres posts is that he posted as if what he said were fact, then when called out on it left a comment that steamed my beans. Plus we're only human, we all have days where we may be more innately frustrated then other days. When I posted before I had one of them days, just slight annoyance throughout the day.

 

Also, by your signature I'm going to guess you're just a tiny bit jaded. Just a little. :razz:

lol ok np, kiss and make up ;)