Leyenda Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Ddefender+Dmace:Crush +88Pray +5Magic Def -3Str +61Attack speed: 5Spec is somewhat useful Z spear:Crush +65Pray +2Str +75Magic Def 0Attack speed: 6Spec is useless Is it possible that the dmace isn't that much worse than the zpear at waterfiends? All skills 70+ Trails: 2 x Rune platebody (g)Barrows: 1 x Dharok's legsDrops: 1 x Dragon skirt | 1 x Dragon defender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green9090 Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Nope. That attack speed difference is a big deal, you'd have to do 120% as much damage per hit with mace for it to be equal. Join "DG Sweepers" Clan Chat for Dungeoneering Floors | Accepting all tipiters who are Willing to Learn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyenda Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share Posted March 29, 2011 I've used both but I seem to hit a lot more often with mace, but when I was using spear I was off task versus being on task with mace At some attack levels, would dmace be better? All skills 70+ Trails: 2 x Rune platebody (g)Barrows: 1 x Dharok's legsDrops: 1 x Dragon skirt | 1 x Dragon defender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green9090 Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Wait, you mean a 15% attack and strength bonus given to one weapon and not the other changes things? Yes, at level 60 attack the mace is superior, but at 70 the spear suddenly becomes dramatically better. That's because it's really hard to do damage when you can't equip the weapon. Join "DG Sweepers" Clan Chat for Dungeoneering Floors | Accepting all tipiters who are Willing to Learn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LitterBug Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 ^Lol The stats show that dmace has higher accuracy but lower average damageIf you wanted to level attack - that would only make the zamorakian spear more effective then the dmace not the other way around. Also, in most of the guides you see - people recommend a ss/zspearIf a dragon mace was better - it would be recommended (it's really not that hard of an idea to come up with so people must've tried it out) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Is_Great Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 zs can't train attack... I use a chaotic staff at wfs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LitterBug Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 zs can't train attack... I use a chaotic staff at wfs. I wasn't saying that you should train attack.Only that if he did train attack - it would just make his zspear more effective then his dmace.(As in lvl 85 atk vs lvl 90 atk - you would see more of a dps increase for the zspear and not the dmace) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Order for weapons is cmaul > ss > zspear > random stuff you shouldn't bother using. Waterfiends are tough. Just low-levelled but they hit quite well and they have quite a lot of defence, + you can't turmoil them properly. They are essentially the mithril dragons of the fiends group. Don't use inferior gear on them. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulli23 Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Order for weapons is cmaul > ss > zspear > random stuff you shouldn't bother using. Waterfiends are tough. Just low-levelled but they hit quite well and they have quite a lot of defence, + you can't turmoil them properly. They are essentially the mithril dragons of the fiends group. Don't use inferior gear on them.I've taken my whip quite a few times, and I didn't notice a "real" difference with the zamorakian spear.. (well I did indeed notice the difference, but it wasn't as much as "don't bother", probably a 10-20% loss in kill speed). First they came to fishingand I didn't speak out because I wasn't fishing Then they came to the yewsand I didn't speak out because I didn't cut yews Then they came for the oresand I didn't speak out because I didn't collect ores Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak out for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 10-20% is a LOT. It is the difference between waterfiends and black demons, pretty much. If you are going to use a whip, waterfiends are a bad idea. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAncient Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 zs/ss/cm or gtfo Ever wanted to find street prices of RS items? Check out the SPOLI Index Nex Drops: Pernix Cowl, Pernix Chaps, Torva Helm, Torva Platebody, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Chaps, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Torva Platelegs, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Chaps, Virtus Robe Legs, Zaryte Bow, Virtus Mask, Torva Legs, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Virtus Robe Top, Zaryte Bow, Virtus Robe Legs, Virtus Robe Top, Virtus Robe Top, Torva Platelegs, Zaryte Bow, Pernix Body, Torva Platelegs, Torva Platelegs, Virtus Robe Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green9090 Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Order for weapons is cmaul > ss > zspear > random stuff you shouldn't bother using. Waterfiends are tough. Just low-levelled but they hit quite well and they have quite a lot of defence, + you can't turmoil them properly. They are essentially the mithril dragons of the fiends group. Don't use inferior gear on them.I've taken my whip quite a few times, and I didn't notice a "real" difference with the zamorakian spear.. (well I did indeed notice the difference, but it wasn't as much as "don't bother", probably a 10-20% loss in kill speed).Pffff. No guys it wasn't a big deal, I just used another 6-12 minutes every single hour! Join "DG Sweepers" Clan Chat for Dungeoneering Floors | Accepting all tipiters who are Willing to Learn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squidsquash Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 EFFICIENCY CLOWNS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beest1942 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 zs/ss/cm or gtfoThis. Why do we bake cookies, but cook bacon? 99/99/80+ looking for monster hunting groupRS07: mb nb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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