Err.. why do you have 2 Tetsu helms?

Bought one for KK guide setups and made the superior one today. Owell.

Subjugation, Virtus AND Sea Singer? Wow lol

And what I believe is a Goutweed Tuber?

 

I was running out of things to buy and I cba saving for torba :P Gout tuber has been sitting in my "to sell" tab for so long iunno how I even got it :S

 

Exk actually cleared his bank of stuff this time yay :)

Exk actually cleared his bank of stuff this time yay

 

Mhmmm 150 extra bankspace <3: I was stubborn on some things, but will post a bank pic sometime soon :P Still sorting it slightly every day... Making it neater.

 

Today:

 

 

 

 

 

And yet another 99 down...

 

 

#NeverMax

I like your taste of ponies. And your way of scaping. <3

GRATS ON 78 HUNTER@@@

Lets cinnamon everybody!

I like your taste of ponies. And your way of scaping. <3

 

:D Thanks! <3:

 

GRATS ON 78 HUNTER@@@

 

Seriously - proudest level of the day right there and probably biggest achievement of the day!

 

 

Lets cinnamon everybody!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5CMKtDrPS0

 

Hahahahaha xD Just the puffing of cinnamon is hilarious, every time trying to talk and *poof* cinnamon everywhere!!

 

 

Levels so far today:

 

 

 

 

20something % left on Skoll boots, so I'll probably use that eventually, especially to bring 97-98 in the less than 1m range as 1m to next agil level is daunting!

 

Pic of 89 Mining coming later.

Pic of 89 Mining coming later.

 

Along with 79 Hunter?

Pic of 89 Mining coming later.

 

Along with 79 Hunter?

New challenge for ezk: 1 hunter level per day.

 

It's actually not so bad :P

Better challenge: Giant Chin everyday!

What the [bleep] are you doing, Maple shieldbows???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Serious Post!

Maxing? Completionist? Or #NeverMax/NeverComp?

 

 

Right... Now... Since I'm about 2 and a half hours away from 89 mining and 2410 total I thought I'd bring forward the time of making a rather important mathsy, inefficient post for most comp capers to have a look at. In fact this has taken me the past 2 hours to write up (dinner time included) so I'm posting it and then will deal with replying to posts that cropped up during writing time after :P

 

This post is in fact all the fault of Octarine - so feel free to blame him for making me write this! Though... This will perhaps either prove a useful tool for me towards maxing some skills, or be a complete and utter failure making me realise that maxing will take forever and an age to do and scare me to the point of "why bother?"... I'm so hoping it's the former.

 

Anyways the big question that gets bounded around between my friends and I is "Maxing?" It's one of the reasons why some of my posts recently have been in a rather meh mood, even though most of them are 99's or skills getting towards the 90's, and it's also part of the title of this blog. The #NeverMax perhaps being more appropriately changed to #NeverComp? I'm not even sure yet. Right now, I'm sat with 87 levels (soon to be 86) left for the current maximum total level and so Dan's suggested to do a breakdown of time/effort/methods/whatever for people like Gwynrynryrnrynrn, Mierin (Q), Sir Jeremy and other maxed/comp capers to look at and give an input on and to make sure I have my calculations right. Hell even any non-compers are welcome to have an input in this discussion!

 

 

NB: It is worth noting though that I have virtually 0 form of income on this game anymore. EoC stripped any and all fun in combat I could ever have and turned it into something I don't understand, will never understand, quite frankly don't WANT to understand, and something that I utterly detest. Therefore unless there is something that can be killed easily with momentum for good gp/hr I wont be doing it. The other reason why I hate EoC is that I was already laggy at around 5FPS whenever doing combat already with a peak 15FPS doing bankstanding skills. I tried using abilities during TWW and was constantly reduced to 0-1FPS (mostly 0) with long times on a "Loading - Please Wait..." freeze frame, and quite a few game crashes from the lag too, and so abilities boiled down into me just being like:

37289462384692713640982374235476329583128409230569203

in the vain hope I'd hit the bosses well enough to cope. Ultimately I had to turn it off and finish off the final battles with momentum due to the frustration of lagging and dying so many times. (Total of 15 deaths at the end of it).

 

Also herb running? I have 9 farming juju left and no plans to get any any time soon... What do?

 

Other than that my only form of income is waiting on scrolls and trade goods in PoP in order to make and sell armours and scrimshaws for ever decreasing amounts of money.

 

 

 

So let the breakdown commence:

 

The idea so far that I have for skilling on this game may be foolhardy or it may be a blessing. I don't even know. Whilst, yes, there's a certain fantastic thing about blitzing out a 99 in a skill straight over a matter of days, perhaps balancing it will help keep me interested in a game that has recently done everything in its power to make itself as unattractive a prospect to pass time with as possible. The current plan, therefore, is to balance the skills I have left (minus Hunter) and then raise them in a rotation, one at a time, until each are maxed.

 

Once each skill is 91, the rotation would work and collect the other skills, for example:

 

Mining 91-92

Thieving 91-92

Woodcut 91-92

RC 91-92

Cons 91-92

 

And then they would pick up fishing which would then be added to the list etc. I probably didn't need to break it down anyways for you, but useful tool for me to stick to anyways.

 

Now onto the exp:

 

NB: The values might be slightly thrown off due to the 43 or so effigies I have left in my bank.

 

Mining.

 

Current level: 88 - 8,410,474 XP remaining to 99.

Method: Mining concentrated gold ore in LRC and dropping via action bar.

22 urns in inventory, lava titan, full mining outfit (varrock plate instead of gold chest obvs), rock crushing scrimshaws, dragon pick.

I don't have juju and wont be getting 80 Hunter any time soon. So unfortunately that little bit of AFK.

Exp/hr = 90-95k

 

Total time: 93.4/88.5 hours remaining.

 

 

Agility:

I'm relying on the 43 odd effigies I have left in my bank to sort this. Failing that:

 

Current level: 97 - 2,341,347 XP remaining to 99.

Method: Barbarian Advanced Course

Exp/hr = 69k at max apparently. So I'm going to take the conservative value of 60k/hr to account for lag and other such things.

 

Total Time: 39.02 hours remaining.

 

(Not as bad as I thought it would be! :o)

 

 

Fishing:

Now this will be a point of contention. I really have a severe hatred for EoC and the entire system that came to be employed in the game as a result of it. So ultimately, unless I was threatened with death and someone was standing over me to carry out the threat, C2ing is out of the picture. And quite frankly I dislike the idea of drop fishing at Barbarian advanced. I will probably be using my Christmas pudding pendant and Prized Prismatic Pendant on this too, and more than likely throwing Penguin points at it.

 

Current level: 92 - 5,929,647 XP remaining to 99.

Method: Monkfish/Rocktails

Exp/hr = 40k/hr (last I heard on Monkfish, dunno about with Fishing outfit etc). Rockatils to my knowledge are 60k/hr and can be up to 100k/hr with CotS4, but the LRC worlds make me lag to the point of RS shutting itself down and Living Rock Strikers make it a method not worth doing if I'm trying on anything else.

 

Total Time: 148.24 hours remaining...

 

 

Thieving:

I have no patience for Monkey Knife Fighters, nor the wish for any RSI's :P So Pyramid Plunder is the way to go for this, unless there is another laid back method like it?

 

Current level: 91 - 6,877,252 XP remaining to 99.

Method: Pyramid Plunder

Exp/hr = 15-18k/5 minute run. SO for the sake of accounting lag, the odd forgetful non-sceptre recharge, and the occasional banking let's say - 150k-180k/hr.

 

Total Time: I was thinking on this and it's really a week if I wanted to do a level a day. But anyways for the sake of formality and consistency: 45.8/38.2 hours remaining.

 

 

Fletching:

This is a source of constant chat between Dan and myself, and now Q has gotten involved with it! It comes down to whether I want to spend around 7m(ish) doing a highly AFK, probably inefficient mode of Fletching, or the hyperefficient 52.8m cost of Broad Arrows. Whilst the argument for broad arrows is plausable the question is really... Is it even WORTH spending 52m on it? And if it is worth it, how the hell do I raise the money?!

 

Current level: 92 - 6,515,665 XP remaining to 99.

Method: Currently - Maple Shieldbow (u) as they're profit. Willing to upgrade to Magic Shieldbow (u).

Exp/hr = (wiki says: 97k) 95k - (153k) 150k

 

Total Time: 68.5/43.4 hours remaining.

 

 

Woodcutting:

 

Current level: 85 - 9,742,653 XP remaining to 99.

Method: Ivy with Lumberjack clothing and Beaver familiar.

Exp/hr = Well... I ultimately don't know. Figures range from 70k/hr to 100k/hr. So I'll say 85k/hr.

 

Total Time: 114.6 hours remaining.

 

 

Runecrafting:

 

Current level: 90 - 7,476,189 XP remaining to 99.

Method: Runespan.

Exp/hr = Well... Again I don't know. Figures go from 70k/hr to 95k/hr at higher levels. So I'll say 90k/hr?

 

Total Time: 83 hours remaining.

 

 

Construction:

 

Now the problem here is that I've already bought in 25k planks in case there was a BXPW (there hasn't been so far, though I'll wait til June/July to be sure, this will be one of the last 99's I guess? Or if I manage to equal out all of my 99's I'll still raise this... I guess... Iunno, suggestions?). I have a 40m cashpile remaining after getting 99 Herblore yesterday and need another 20m in order to afford the rest of the supplies for 99... Which is why I'm so against the broad arrows for fletching and finding it hard to see their worth AND if either of the new skills require resources etc to be bought in order to advance I'll be stuck with 0 cash if I manage to buy both Cons and Fletch.

 

Current level: 91 - 7,127,711 XP remaining to 99.

Method: Mahogany Tables.

Exp/hr = No idea. Apparently can hit 500k/hr, but then again I don't have mousekeys, I lag, I'm not good with clicking lots in fast speeds. So I'll say a conservative 120k/hr for me thanks unless you guys can give me something solid.

(Outfit - obviously).

 

Total Time: 59.3 hours remaining.

 

 

 

 

Hunter?!

 

Only AFTER all of these are 99 will I even CONSIDER going for 99 Hunter. To put it in easy terms - I hate Hunter MORE than I hate EoC - and to put that into context too, I hate EoC 1,000,000 times MORE than I hated Dungeoneering at the start and it led to the point where I quit the game for 5 months essentially. EoC is THE WORST thing to happen in the entire history of RS in my opinion, and I will NEVER accept it, even if it means I'm locked out of the greater majority of the game as a whole.

 

Therefore my hatred for Hunter is unparalleled in this respect. I detest even going near the skill. Misfortune and exaggerated hopes from people talking XP rates have made this skill the entire reason why Maxing/Comping will probably never happen in this game for me for a good many years yet.

 

The fact is with Hunter the best exp rate I have ever seen was a set of 35k/hours I pulled at Red Sallies between 60 and 65 whilst trying to get a level a day to do Nomad's Requiem. Continually, I would talk in HYT about it, and eventually (I think it was KATKIS) one of them came, observed me, and told me that ultimately I just had bad luck and Hunter was entirely a luck based skill. I was using the best traps shown by everyone who tried to help, I was following the best methods, using 100% concentration, Hunter pots, bear and camo. And whereas they were all saying "Well I get 70k/hr" I was getting half of that.

 

This trend has continued with Common Jadinkos. Octarine got so frustrated with me he ended up forcing me to join him, showing me the best spots to catch commons (and even Ingenious later on when I could get Juju), and once again EoE was ablaze with XP rates that I was getting a third of. The highest XP/hour I have seen doing Hunter at herbitat, with pots, bear and the best Camo I have (I don't have Witchdoctor and probably never will, I don't know what's needed, how to get it, and it all seems random luck anyways from the amount of times people have raged that they didn't get a specific piece but instead the 431297398123 time getting a mask or something) was around 30k/hr, and one set of 32k/hr.

 

Therefore after Fishing and RC are 99, Penguins and lamps and whatever shall be invested in Hunter regardless.

 

 

It's not like I've not tried Hunter, I have seriously given it a go, I got to level 75 and just gave up. I couldn't physically or mentally sustain any more of it. The XP rate for me is so dire, and I don't know how to improve it. Especially when I do EVERYTHING everyone tells me to do about it, and it still doesn't improve. I have also tried Hunter via the Big Chin project thing, but in over 50 games I never got higher than 800 points. Which is pretty disheartening when considering that Octarines DIYer which has a lower Hunter level than me hit the magic 1,111 point mark and over. So I've given up on that too, because I simply lag way to much to even get anything worthwhile from there.

 

I know, I know people will tell me that XP rates can hit 300k/hr at higher levels - but that's in the 90's. But the problem for me is getting there. I know it improves, but I just can't stomach the idea of spending 122.7 hours attempting to do this. I'd simply end up quitting (although... I still have 193k of bonus XP from Christmas).

 

So... Hunter:

 

Current Level: 78 - 11,371,091 XP remaining to 99.

Method: Penguins, Lamps, Effigies (if I ever get any again once this lot is gone), ToG, and MAYBE Big Chin and Herblore Habitat.

Exp/hr: If I could stomach it = 30k/hr currently (60k thanks to the bonus exp).

 

Total Time: 5 years just on penguins - 374 hours remaining.

 

 

No one will be able to convince me otherwise on Hunter... Octarine has even gotten to the point that, like with EoC, he will not talk to me or deal with me when it comes to Hunter because it just frustrates us both too much.

 

 

TOTAL TIME: 988.26 HOURS/5 YEARS AND 614.26 HOURS TO MAX

 

 

That's pretty much 1000 hours of playing or to put it another way - 41.17 days (24 hour days) or yet another - 123.5 days on an 8 hour playing schedule if I so chose.

 

 

Completionist?

 

 

Now the other fun thing after even considering Max is Comp. I'm 120 DG already, so that's perhaps the biggest requirement done - and quite frankly the reason why I even started skilling in the first place. EoC kinda just accelerated the process when I came back this holiday. Now I took a pic earlier which tells of what I have to do for Comp:

 

 

 

 

I seriously don't even know if I can achieve all of this.

 

The sheer time requirement of this on top of the accumulated 5 years and 614.26 hours (on the optimistic values) Serious value: 988.26 is perhaps too much for me. This would surely add on another HUGE amount of days for the things to do?

 

The levels: Been through that.

 

Quests: Brink of Extinction. Impossible for me to do apparently as you need to use abilities. #1 Bad.

 

Tasks: Need to beat Sunfreet for Desert tasks? Well... GF there.

 

Spells: Just time required... Especially Livid Farm.

 

Kudos: No bloody idea what I have left... I've spoken to EVERYONE there and they don't say anything. Though Octarine suggested trying to find Mr Maudaunt there as he gives some Kudos apparently.

 

Music: Associated with the quest problem in a way.

 

Backstory of DT: Effort and laziness, I guess I'll do it... One day.

 

Clarence: ^

 

Unabridged Sagas: Combat? Good Luck getting me to try it now with EoC.

 

QBD: Can I momentum her with barrows gear as I wont be able to afford anything more? Don't think so...

 

Claus: Look up 3 tasks.

 

 

 

So... Opinions comp capers? It's doable, since hell, those of you I'm asking mostly for input from have all done it. I'm just wondering is it worth my time and effort to even bother? I mean... 1000 hours/5 years of game play is a pretty damn hefty deman.

 

 

TL;DR? 988.26 Hours/5 Years of Maxing... Worth it? And am I going about most of the methods the right way?

 

 

Still TL;DR? It is more than likely the case of #NeverMax #NeverComp happening. It's simply too much effort and that sheer amount of time has me scared witless. I'm still 647 or so hours away from Max (in my eyes) even if I don't do Hunter...

Lol I love how half the time to max is from hunter :D.

To be honest, I didn't read it.

 

Get over your problem with hunter and train it, it really isn't as bad as everyone thinks.

Don't bother, it's just too much to do and especially with you hating hunter and EoC..It's just max anyway.. Rather train and do the things you enjoy or play a different game maybe?

 

You seem to be doing great at University.. don't get sucked into grinding out and possibly losing out on school.

 

Go out and party with your girlfriend. :).

 

BUT looking at your stuff..

 

Fish Flingers and Fly-fishing @ Shilo inbetween games is around 100k Xp/hr I think.

You can punch out at least 200k hr @ PP. ;).

Do magic shieldbows at least for fletching. I probably have a few broad supplies laying around I could donate lol.

You won't be getting 85k hr @ Ivy at your level. Do you have access to the clan avatar for 3-6% bonus XP, and how many loyalty points do you have? Could get Lumberjack auras if you wanted. Skool boots / pendants for this as well if you have some charges left over after agility. :P. 100k an hour or so @ Teaks if you don't mind clicking a lot more.

I have a bit of trouble doing mahogany tables fast as well but you'll easily a lot more XP than your estimate.

I had trouble starting to level hunter as well. I remember I had almost all 99s and only 70 hunter or so. I just kept on going and doing draconics all the way. I kept thinking I was doing it wrong because my XP rates seemed to be so low, but now that I'm thinking back it probably wasn't that bad, I just hated training it so time seemed to be going by slow.

Just do JoaT, pengs, troll invasion, tears and whatnot on hunter and keep training it either at red sallys or HH.

 

if nothing else works, buy spins!

Yeah there is the danger of trying to max just because you feel you should and consequently you end up grinding away without enjoying much of it.

 

Anyway now for the more constructive portion of my post/s:

 

Start herb farming again, all the time. Like, start it as soon as you read this post. You don't have any other income aside from ports (which will only get worse over time) so I'd get on that right away.

With no income, doing magic longbows over broad arrows is understandable. However, broads are pretty awesome and a great timesaver as it were.

Fishing: Go try c2ing again. Its nearly double the xp/hr of monkfish and its a lot easier than it used to be. Momentum should be fine for the monsters too since they're all low levels in c2s.

 

If you give c2ing a proper try and you really cant deal with it, start throwing your effigies/free xp at fishing instead. After opening all your effigies you'll get a nice chunk of agility xp along the way and then finishing off agil is only like 30hrs or so, and running courses aint all that bad. Plus we could get an agility-span type update at some point too.

 

All those comp requirements aren't really a problem since its just little bits of one-off combat or looking a few things up. I'm 99% sure your missing kudos with be mordaut and the digsite-related museum things.

 

Fishing is really hurting your time left by doing monkfish/rocktails, It'd be foolish to pass off c2 just because it used to be a huge pain to do. Stackable raw fish really helped it.

 

 

What the [bleep] are you doing, Maple shieldbows???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

Profit whilst fletch training. Plus had them free from MTK, so ehhhh. They're close to 100k/hr. I'll settle for any cheap exp atm.

 

 

Anyways 89 mining:

 

 

 

Pic of 89 Mining coming later.

 

Along with 79 Hunter?

New challenge for ezk: 1 hunter level per day.

 

It's actually not so bad :P

Better challenge: Giant Chin everyday!

 

 

Ugh. But k. Here's your photo. Hope you 3 are happy............ Can this skill die yet?

 

 

Still not getting over 800 points, but eh... What more can I expect when I don't get more than 1FPS cept the odd 20 seconds of 5FPS every 5 minutes or so down there.

Using up that damned Xmas bonus exp, will end up 80 Hunt with a tiny bit left over on Sunday at 1am. Thank God for small mercies. Then to figure out whatever with trying to get Hunt to 85. 90's aren't even an option yet. Just the thought that at 85 I'll be 2m off 90 makes me wana hurt something.

 

Whilst I've been talking to Dan via text, he's offered to show me traps again if I hit 80... So I just wonder who's patience is gona break first doing it...

I am drunk, can I get a tl;dr of the tl;dr of that long post pls

Haha, I had that moment of realisation to when I hit 2411 total. Was a late night and I'd just finished Livid Farm for good, so was thinking to myself, "Right, that's all the special requirements out of the way, now to just finish of these 85 skill levels." Looked over my remaining skills, threw in XP required and per hour, and came up with the following on my notepad:

 

 

16/10/2011

 

Woodcutting : 90k/hr, 83 hrs

Fishing : 60k/hr, 108 hrs

Firemaking : Innate, 0 hrs

Smithing : 300k/hr, 11 hrs

Mining : 80k/hr, 117 hrs

Agility : 65k/hr, 103 hrs

Thieving : 250k/hr, 22 hrs

Slayer : 40k/hr, 140 hrs

Farming : Innate, 0 hrs (negligible)

Runecrafting : 50k/hr, 138 hrs

Hunter : 250k/hr, 34 hrs

Construction : 300k/hr, 25 hrs

 

~781 hrs left to Comp Cape

 

Kinda went WTF at this point, because that huge number at the bottom was so daunting. Still started straight away though, and after a while of training with a skill you get better at it and your expected XP rate kind of adjusts. I modified my calculations much later to 100k/hr with C2 fishing and got rid of the RC requirement completely because I effigy'd the whole thing (Runespan is double my rate anyway). Construction went swimmingly and I somehow managed to hit 400k+/h with oak doors of all things. Only major change was switching to Ivy so I could do my readings, and then Jadinko firemaking for the last WC and FM xp.

 

The only major difficulty is having the motivation to keep going, and after a while of playing with the skills you kind of get used to them and actually have fun trying to beat your XP rate. I think towards the end I was getting close to 300k/h on draconics and it was actually quite fun trying to squeeze out catches and juju potion timer, applying it at literally the last second to waste less time :P

 

I just updated the notepad every few weeks/ once a month to keep myself motivated, and one day I was finally able to write:

 

24/4/2012

 

Fishing : Awaiting effigy

Mining : Awaiting effigy

Agility : Awaiting effigy

Runecrafting : Awaiting effigy

Hunter : Awaiting effigy

 

 

So just keep at it, but remember at the end of the day, it's just a game and not your job!

double post, dat forum backup time

 

also omfg all your free xp bonuses, totally forgot about crap like pendants and avatar, ffs ezscape :(

You had me until rocktails

Don't the top players do rocktails though lul

Don't the top players do rocktails though lul

 

10/10 for making me rage