Investigating the Wise Old Man

[KCHughes]

Ah! i forgot these interesting facts:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dyonissus is not only the god of the party, is the god of the wine too, Fortunato sells wine and he is next to him, in a book (of edgard alan poe i think) the character Fortunato is a freemason, the freemasons are a secretive organization related to the templars what believe in the grand architec of the universe, guthix created the universe, the priest say saradomin created it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dyonissus---->Wine---->Fortunato---->Freemasons---->Templar Knight---->Secretive Organization---->Grand Creator---->Guthix/Sardomin---->Just Saradomin by the priests!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yup, there is a secret organization who worship Saradomin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good findings. Are you saying that WOM is part of the secret society or the Wizards Tower wizards are?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually the Knights Templar came before the Freemasons, the Freemasons were created after the Templars had begun to be persecuted, allowing Templars to go underground.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know because I'm a blood descendant of one of the creators of the Templars. :D

[faisalhype]

oooh never knew rs can go 007... (spying etc..)

 

 

 

plus ive been scrolling through runescape official forums and i found a sticky made by a jagex mod bout the WOM, i think someone told us this but just wanted to bring it back,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

p.s: i also was scrolling through letters, in the march (i think) letters, someone sent a letter to the chaos elemental, and it had random stuff on it but months later, it becomes a revelation. :-s :-k *starts going through more to see about WOM*

[Darkluniux]

 

Ah! i forgot these interesting facts:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dyonissus is not only the god of the party, is the god of the wine too, Fortunato sells wine and he is next to him, in a book (of edgard alan poe i think) the character Fortunato is a freemason, the freemasons are a secretive organization related to the templars what believe in the grand architec of the universe, guthix created the universe, the priest say saradomin created it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dyonissus---->Wine---->Fortunato---->Freemasons---->Templar Knight---->Secretive Organization---->Grand Creator---->Guthix/Sardomin---->Just Saradomin by the priests!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yup, there is a secret organization who worship Saradomin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good findings. Are you saying that WOM is part of the secret society or the Wizards Tower wizards are?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually the Knights Templar came before the Freemasons, the Freemasons were created after the Templars had begun to be persecuted, allowing Templars to go underground.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know because I'm a blood descendant of one of the creators of the Templars. :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe wizard trainborn is an atheist or believe in Guthix and that makes him a rival for the WOM?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes i know, the templars were before the masons, well, the templars were created in 1118 A.C and Masons in late med age (i think), but if you check the mason ideology, they claim the first masons were the creators of the salomon's temple.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1314= Elimination of the templar, they runned to scotland were they were recived by the masons and that is part of the actual Scotish Rith of the masons :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good to find someone with nice knowledge :)

[KingWenlok]

I would just like to add something else that is strange about the Wizard's Tower- just beside the door in which you enter the Tower, there is a picture of a black eye drawn on the wall. Right click on it, then click examine, and it is said to be 'the evil eye.' I find this rather curious- why would the Wizard's Tower have this drawn on its walls? Another interesting thing would be that the symbol of an 'eye' was used by Sauron from the Lord of the Rings (written by JRR Tolkien), and the Crimson King from The Dark Tower (written by Stephen King). Both also stayed in a Tower- Sauron in Barud-Dur (forget the spelling) and the Crimson King in the Dark Tower. Could this in any way be associated with the Wizard's Tower? Both Sauron and the Crimson King were evil, so maybe this 'evil eye' relates to Zamorak.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Could the Wizard's be trying to summon Zamorak to destroy the world?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alright, maybe that is a bit far fetched, but it would give plenty of reason for the WOM to attack the Tower if the whole of Gielinor is at stake, and possibly Saradomin. But I somehow think the Wizard's put an enchantment on the Tower that only allows them to be hit with magic, so that could be why the WOM raided the bank- to get runes, but maybe he lost them all. So he's planning to sneak into the Tower, grab some runes, then kill all the wizard's, and finish off by blowing up the summoning runes and the Tower with tinderboxes.

[Darkluniux]

I would just like to add something else that is strange about the Wizard's Tower- just beside the door in which you enter the Tower, there is a picture of a black eye drawn on the wall. Right click on it, then click examine, and it is said to be 'the evil eye.' I find this rather curious- why would the Wizard's Tower have this drawn on its walls? Another interesting thing would be that the symbol of an 'eye' was used by Sauron from the Lord of the Rings (written by JRR Tolkien), and the Crimson King from The Dark Tower (written by Stephen King). Both also stayed in a Tower- Sauron in Barud-Dur (forget the spelling) and the Crimson King in the Dark Tower. Could this in any way be associated with the Wizard's Tower? Both Sauron and the Crimson King were evil, so maybe this 'evil eye' relates to Zamorak.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Could the Wizard's be trying to summon Zamorak to destroy the world?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alright, maybe that is a bit far fetched, but it would give plenty of reason for the WOM to attack the Tower if the whole of Gielinor is at stake, and possibly Saradomin. But I somehow think the Wizard's put an enchantment on the Tower that only allows them to be hit with magic, so that could be why the WOM raided the bank- to get runes, but maybe he lost them all. So he's planning to sneak into the Tower, grab some runes, then kill all the wizard's, and finish off by blowing up the summoning runes and the Tower with tinderboxes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice, but i donnot think because the actual wizards in the tower aren't Zamorakians because all Zamorak's mages were expelled from the tower after the incident went the Zamorak's maniacs burned the tower with magic destroying the magic books and all the powerfull information, this tower is just a reconstruction of the old one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

About the eye: The eye resembles (at least i think) the "Horus' eye", a powerfull egyptian sybol that resembles the victory of the right upon the wrong, the power of the pharaoh to rule the empire and the hope and power. But Horus weren't evil, he was called the avenger because he killed his own uncle that was very very evil and just liked the chaos (Yup, Seth, very like Zamorak). He lost his eye in battle so he replaced it with a snake (another powerfull symbol). Horus=Good Seth= Evil chaos. So this "evil eye" may represent the triumph again Zamorakians but it is called evil...why? Maybe because the citizens of runescape (yes, those noobs lvl 2 men wandering in lumbridge, believe it is evil) and for that it is called.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways, Jagex in symbols is worst than the Spanish inquisition, maybe for see too much monty python (nobody expects the spanish inquisition!), i remember when the putted a pentacle (star of five points wich represents the balance in the five elelments) and called it "demonic symbol" kinda insult for some religions like the Wiccans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

THe eye may be "The all seeing eye" wich we can see in a dolla in the piramid, an important masonic symbol that represents the power of god to see trought the lies or ....The power of the Illuminati to controll and see ALL!!!!!!!

[Wisp]

Heres a line from him to the wizards tower and everything on that line.

 

 

 

Interesting.

 

 

 

The tutorial island bank, draynor's bank the entrance to the dwarf mines, right next to the mysterious rocks outside of fally, the black knights near draynor, and the black knight fortress and the ruins in the wilderness and the withc in draynors house. It also hits the bandits camp and menoanos ( or whatever)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have a few theories. One, the wizards at the tower aren't saradomonists and are either rogues or pretending to be sara worshipers.

 

 

 

He may be a saradomin agent spying on them.

 

 

 

Also the one evil wizard in the tower is who he mayt be spying on aand not the whole tower.

 

 

 

Another is he is not a sradomist but wants people to think that he is, which is why he keeps the saradomin stuff.

 

 

 

He robbed the bank, purely for himself. He may be planning to rob the bank on tutorial, not being guarded at all but the wizards tower was in the way of his spyglass.

[sohkmj1]

well the robbery is open to f2pers so watch it

[jiyuueno20]

:shock:

 

 

 

:wall:

 

 

 

well im starting to read the 7th page (just found this) but it just ocured to me that the W.O.M. will happily buy any beads that you may have

 

 

 

not shure if this has any relavence or if it has been said already but w/e

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(yes i misspell stuff at 1:00 in the morning)

 

 

 

must stay (yawn) awake.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-.- zzzzzzz

[jiyuueno20]

oh one more thing.... i keep seeing coments about killing the thing under his bed how do you do that he wont let me kill it... wont even mention the bed and as far as i know i havent killed it yet :-k

[darkarc5]

:shock:

 

 

 

:wall:

 

 

 

well im starting to read the 7th page (just found this) but it just ocured to me that the W.O.M. will happily buy any beads that you may have

 

 

 

not shure if this has any relavence or if it has been said already but w/e

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(yes i misspell stuff at 1:00 in the morning)

 

 

 

must stay (yawn) awake.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-.- zzzzzzz

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmm maybe this has something to do with Wizard Mizgog or Grayzag (See the imp catcher quest). The beads belong to Mizgog, and Grayzag stole them and gave them to his imps i think, but I havent done it in like 2 years so correct me if im wrong

[KingWenlok]

 

:shock:

 

 

 

:wall:

 

 

 

well im starting to read the 7th page (just found this) but it just ocured to me that the W.O.M. will happily buy any beads that you may have

 

 

 

not shure if this has any relavence or if it has been said already but w/e

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(yes i misspell stuff at 1:00 in the morning)

 

 

 

must stay (yawn) awake.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-.- zzzzzzz

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmm maybe this has something to do with Wizard Mizgog or Grayzag (See the imp catcher quest). The beads belong to Mizgog, and Grayzag stole them and gave them to his imps i think, but I havent done it in like 2 years so correct me if im wrong

 

 

 

Yes, you are quite right. But what could be so special about those beads that Grayzag would want to steal them? Maybe they conatin a special power that helps summoning? That would explain why the WOM would buy them from you, so that he could stop Grayzag from getting them. But Grayzag probably thought ahead and gave them to the imps for safe keeping.

[1alebcay]

I still have a feeling that this might have to do with summoning. If say Trailborn is one of the surviving wizards (I like that whole idea) then maybe he was a wizard who was working with the zamorakin wizards. The beads are part of how summoning works, or that is what they thought back then. While they were trying to practice summoning they burnt down the tower. Now Grayzag is trying to figure out what Trailborn knows but he put himself under a spell that makes him confused so that he can not tell any one.

 

 

 

The idea with the all seeing eye of the Free Mason's is very likely. But why would the WOM be against them if they are good. The WOM is a follower of Saradom, or else he is a double agent for Zamorock. If he were a double agent for Zamorock then why wouldn't he just use normal spells not god spells? I personally draw the conclusion that he is either neutral or a follower of Saradom.

[zipper11]

im not sure if this help but one day walking around runescape i found this big statue and it when u examine it, it says a statue starying off to the west not sure if it help but o well

[KCHughes]

im not sure if this help but one day walking around runescape i found this big statue and it when u examine it, it says a statue starying off to the west not sure if it help but o well

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's part of a members quest. :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've been thinking about the true nature of the wizards in the tower. We've all been questioning whether they are true followers of Saradomin, or secretly pro-Zamorak, or if they are part of the secret society. So I took a look back to when the Wizard's Tower got invaded by Zamorakian mages. The history in the knowledge base says that there was some meeting between Sara's and Zammy's mages, but Zammy's mages "betrayed" them and they destroyed the Tower. I'm convinced that Zamorak's mages had an inside man in the Tower that let them in. I'm not sure right now, but that "mole" could easily have been Traiborn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Mole: RS.

[planoboy93]

My theory: After reading a few pages of this topic i see you guys have put so much work into this but i don't think there is an answer.This is my prediction; the npc you see summoning around lumby swamp i think is an outcast of the wizards tower but knew grayzag before he went insane.Hes kept it to himself and is in hiding of wom and the wom wants to find out the secret to summoning in order to put Zaros into power.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The wom belives grayzag or whichever crazy mage calls you a "thiggmmywut," holds the secret not of summoning but knows the whereabouts of that summoning npc.So he thinks that he needs to attack the wizards tower to get runes and get information from grayzag so he can combat the summoning npc.His entire hope for all of this is to turn runescape into a zaros ruled domain and if u look at desert trashure quest there is a god or demi god or something that was trapped in the pyrimaid at the end.Also in the miniquest for the robes zaros placed a curse on all the people that helped zammorak defeat zaros.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I predict there will be a large war as a result or conflict with zaros army because he gets revived with summoning because of the wom beating the summoning char near lumby swamp,the god freed from the temple will have an army, Zammorak and zaros will have a conflict and those men u quested with to get the robes will be freed but put on the side of saradormin because zammy is corrupt and sammorak is pure.This will be a god war in a bigger form.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

THIS IS A LONGSHOT BUT IT ALL CONNECTS WITH CERTAIN POINT OF EVIDENCE IN THE GAME INCLUDING QUESTS AND TALKING TO NPC'S IN DEPTH.

[zipper11]

King Wenlock may be onto something. There might actually be something buried beneath the wizards tower and WOM might want to destroy it. It would king of make sense

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mabye that is right mabye there is somthing under the tower that he knows about and he know it could kill evey one in runescape so he has to despach of it

[zipper11]

dose any one know what the rocks out side of fally mean coz when u examine then it says "what aancient rites were performed here"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so i was thinking that the WOM will do some thing there along the lines summoning Zamorak :ohnoes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the rocks r to the north of fally so along the wall east of the north exit of fally and you should find them. ^^

[slayernm613]

dose any one know what the rocks out side of fally mean coz when u examine then it says "what aancient rites were performed here"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so i was thinking that the WOM will do some thing there along the lines summoning Zamorak :ohnoes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the rocks r to the north of fally so along the wall east of the north exit of fally and you should find them. ^^

 

 

 

those would be the 'summoning rocks', the biggest proof to summoning currently in-game. The symbols on the rocks are supposedly the symbols for summoning runes.

[KingWenlok]

I know I said earlier on that I thought the Wizard's were going to summon Zamorak, but it's slightly iffy. And those stones... I know they are evil, but I can't put my finger on it. It's something powerful like Delrith, I can tell. Something of the Mahjarrat (sp?), possibly? I think Grayzag and Maliginus are going to summon this thing and send it upon Falador to kill the White Knights, but the WOM is doing all he can to stop them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it is Zamorak however, it shall result in total terror and the possible annihilation of RuneScape. A question- what does Zamorak look like?

[faisalhype]

invasion of the imps??? :lol:

 

 

 

doesnt sound right, but that graph gaven by doomsavenger,

 

 

 

beyond the wizards' tower, it leads to black knights fortress and the cementary.. :-k

 

 

 

and... ah!

 

 

 

if WOM want beads, he learn imp casting spell plus imps can teleport anywere! so that means..

 

 

 

is he actually going to attack wizards' tower or keeping his eye on something else????? :-k

[1alebcay]

My theory: After reading a few pages of this topic i see you guys have put so much work into this but i don't think there is an answer.This is my prediction; the npc you see summoning around lumby swamp i think is an outcast of the wizards tower but knew grayzag before he went insane.Hes kept it to himself and is in hiding of wom and the wom wants to find out the secret to summoning in order to put Zaros into power.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The wom belives grayzag or whichever crazy mage calls you a "thiggmmywut," holds the secret not of summoning but knows the whereabouts of that summoning npc.So he thinks that he needs to attack the wizards tower to get runes and get information from grayzag so he can combat the summoning npc.His entire hope for all of this is to turn runescape into a zaros ruled domain and if u look at desert trashure quest there is a god or demi god or something that was trapped in the pyrimaid at the end.Also in the miniquest for the robes zaros placed a curse on all the people that helped zammorak defeat zaros.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I predict there will be a large war as a result or conflict with zaros army because he gets revived with summoning because of the wom beating the summoning char near lumby swamp,the god freed from the temple will have an army, Zammorak and zaros will have a conflict and those men u quested with to get the robes will be freed but put on the side of saradormin because zammy is corrupt and sammorak is pure.This will be a god war in a bigger form.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

THIS IS A LONGSHOT BUT IT ALL CONNECTS WITH CERTAIN POINT OF EVIDENCE IN THE GAME INCLUDING QUESTS AND TALKING TO NPC'S IN DEPTH.

 

 

 

The only problem with this theory is that in the swan song quest (members) the WOM learns of Mauglinus, or whatever his name is. (the guy outside of Falador)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The biggest problem with the beads having to do with summoning imps is Grayzag had the imps before he went after the beads. (In imp catcher he says that Grayzag's imps stole his beads.) Maybe the beads were needed for a deeper level of summoning?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My thought about the whole imp issue is this: Why would Grayzag have a lesser demon up there? I doubt he would have it just for company. (you never know) Possibly he examined the demon and learned to summon littler forms of it, the only littler forms of demons are imps. (or delroth, but he is from another quest.) Grayzag sent his newly formed imps to try and take the summoning beads from Trailborn, but the imps were so stupid that they never gave the beads to Grayzag.

 

 

 

Edit: KCHughes, if people just start to post things like good luck (It hasn't happened yet) Could you edit your first post again and say something like: please only post if you have a new idea.

[1alebcay]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Humm... interesting, the line also goes past the Zammy mages in the wilderness.

[KCHughes]

dose any one know what the rocks out side of fally mean coz when u examine then it says "what aancient rites were performed here"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so i was thinking that the WOM will do some thing there along the lines summoning Zamorak :ohnoes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the rocks r to the north of fally so along the wall east of the north exit of fally and you should find them. ^^

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I found some rocks but they didn't say that when I examined them.

[p5hngmeawy19]

K well I have no idea how you guys found out about this whole 'event' with the WOM but you got my interest. So I was checking out his house, and while i was examining one of his bookshelves with tinderboxes and i notice he laughed! xD he was like "heh heh heh"

 

 

 

and his candellabra has jewlery hagning from it. Lol. Lotsa help I am.

[KCHughes]

2 things I've kinda noticed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1st, the arrangement of rocks NE of Falador. I noticed that each "rock" is actually 1 large rock with a string of progressively smaller rocks protruding out from it, making an arrow-type form. I drew the rocks in MS Paint and connected them based how these "arrows" pointed at each other. It was a peculiar design at first, but I later noticed some resemblence between it an the constellation Canis Major (Pic).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In Greek mythology, Canis Major is Orion's dog. It was assigned to guard the goddess Europa, but Zeus, taking the form of a bull (Taurus), got by Canis Major and abducted Europa. Anyone else see a correlation? Canis Major = Zaros? Zeus/Taurus = Zamorak? Zamorak tricking Zaros? Zamorak's symbol, after all, bears a significant resemblance to bull's horns, eh?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2nd, in WOM's house, he has a bunch of emerald necklaces. I know that when you enchant an emerald necklace, it helps you in making combination runes. I imagine combination runes will be needed for summoning, and WOM wants them during the Swan's Song quest.