The Jack Thompson Crusade

[Hannibal]

Hannibal, Putter, sorry, your satirical analogies are completely false, and don't help support your argument.

 

 

 

Of course corn flakes and coca-cola won't make you want to shoot-up your school.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The point was that cornflakes don't make you shoot people up, nor do computer games, because, to use your words, those people are "batsh*tf'in-loco to begin with". Whether something is violent or not is beside the point. The people who would shoot people because they've done so in a computer game are the same people who think the coca cola commercial ('Holidays are coming, holidays are coming...') will come true if they can find enough magic pixie dust. Seriously.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And even if you don't agree, according to American politicians it's perfectly alright if people buy a real gun and go to shoot on big cardboard plates that look like people, but doing so in a computer game, oooooh no, that must be horrificly bad, since it's so realistic when you play it on HD TV!

 

 

 

Which is still the wrong way around if you ask me, but anyway...

[Rizla]

And even if you don't agree, according to American politicians it's perfectly alright if people buy a real gun and go to shoot on big cardboard plates that look like people, but doing so in a computer game, oooooh no, that must be horrificly bad, since it's so realistic when you play it on HD TV!

 

 

 

Which is still the wrong way around if you ask me, but anyway...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I concur. At the end of the day, a computer game is always going to be a bunch of pixels. Anyone who can't differentiate between that, and shooting someone on the street, is clearly in need of phsychological help.

[Mr_Putter]

 

 

 

If you watch, in 1080p HD graphics, yourself beat someone to death, you're going to be more violent. You're doing it, that makes you violent.

Proof, oh intelligent one?

[Greatsilverwyrm]

 

Hannibal, Putter, sorry, your satirical analogies are completely false, and don't help support your argument.

 

 

 

Of course corn flakes and coca-cola won't make you want to shoot-up your school.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The point was that cornflakes don't make you shoot people up, nor do computer games, because, to use your words, those people are "batsh*tf'in-loco to begin with". Whether something is violent or not is beside the point. The people who would shoot people because they've done so in a computer game are the same people who think the coca cola commercial ('Holidays are coming, holidays are coming...') will come true if they can find enough magic pixie dust. Seriously.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And even if you don't agree, according to American politicians it's perfectly alright if people buy a real gun and go to shoot on big cardboard plates that look like people, but doing so in a computer game, oooooh no, that must be horrificly bad, since it's so realistic when you play it on HD TV!

 

 

 

Which is still the wrong way around if you ask me, but anyway...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The devil's advocate would say that indeed, computer graphics are more realistic mentally than shooting a cardboard plate with a shilouhette on it, what with the extremely life-like graphics, realistic sounds, beleivable gore..

 

 

 

But let's not go there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think we can all agree that if you're going to commit violent crimes in the first place, not playing violent video games isn't going to stop you from commiting said crimes.

[Legolover64]

 

 

 

 

If you watch, in 1080p HD graphics, yourself beat someone to death, you're going to be more violent. You're doing it, that makes you violent.

Proof, oh intelligent one?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, ever heard the statement "Monkey see, monkey do."? It's obvious that the human form imitates, no matter what statistics say. I mean, come on, no one has given a REAL offense against my earlier Columbine argument (they all played Doom and wore trenchcoats). It's obvious that a sense of violence is instilled within you, you cannot refute it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And don't make sarcastic claims about my intelligence just because you don't agree with me. You're kinda being like Michael Moore, and he was very successful, no?

[Mr_Putter]

 

 

 

 

 

If you watch, in 1080p HD graphics, yourself beat someone to death, you're going to be more violent. You're doing it, that makes you violent.

Proof, oh intelligent one?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, ever heard the statement "Monkey see, monkey do."? It's obvious that the human form imitates, no matter what statistics say. I mean, come on, no one has given a REAL offense against my earlier Columbine argument (they all played Doom and wore trenchcoats). It's obvious that a sense of violence is instilled within you, you cannot refute it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And don't make sarcastic claims about my intelligence just because you don't agree with me. You're kinda being like Michael Moore, and he was very successful, no?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He made a load of money, and got famous, if that's what you mean.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And monkey see, monkey do is not valid evidence. That's an opinion.

[Barihawk]

Ive been playing Day of Defeat (online FPS WW2 game) for three years now. I can fire a real gun. I cant aim that gun at any living creature. Thats right, years of killing people online and I am untouched. Why? Because I do not play the game to kill people. It is not a deathmatch, but a Capure the objective type game. I only kill others in self defense, and concentrate more on capturing the flags than getting "1337" kills.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are those who concentrate on Deathmatch types of play more violent? From what I have seen, yes. They are more aggressive in-game and shout harrassment and insults as they kill away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think Jack Thompson has a point about games like GTA and such, I just despise his methods. He is a cruel man and a shoddy lawyer. If like, normal people started talking about game regulation and tougher ratings standards, I would agree with them.

[Kwisatz]

I play violent video games and that does not make me a killer. In fact, many of my friends find me rather strange because of the fact that I believe killing is wrong, even "omfgf omf tah iraqeez!!111" I do not believe that it is our place to determine whether somebody lives or dies, and that God or whatever force will decide their fate. Even if their isn't some spirit up in the sky, fate will make the decision, and one person should not be judged by his peers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In all likelyhood, if somebody handed me a gun and told me to shoot somebody who was attacking me, I couldn't do it. I really have no intention of ending human life or trying to end it, and call me a hypocrite, but violent games and violent life are two different things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The other thing is that people really don't know how guns work, gun control, etc, and they think they do because of a game. For instance, "of course I know how to shoot a shotgun! I play RAINBOW SIX ON XBOX LIVE!" They also do not possibly know how much damage a gun does. I'm no expert, but to me a shot with a gun means a 50-50 chance you'll live, and two shots and you're pretty much dead, unlike in games, where you can take a headshot with a .45 Desert Eagle and stay standing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, this is all fine and dandy for me, but I can't speak for others. But just know that if somebody goes out and kills people because of a game, it's not going to be me.

[Anesthesia]

I eat noodles, I like prog rock.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therefore eating noodles makes you like prog rock.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's the level of reasoning we're dealing with here. Thousands of convicted murderers have seen violence on TV and in films, yet they aren't blamed as they aren't the current trendy pariah.

[rocketman089]

I eat noodles, I like prog rock.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therefore eating noodles makes you like prog rock.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's the level of reasoning we're dealing with here. Thousands of convicted murderers have seen violence on TV and in films, yet they aren't blamed as they aren't the current trendy pariah.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Noodles and prog rock have no correlation to eachother. However, listening to a song or playing a video game about killing people, and proceeding to kill people in real life is directly related. Your logic makes no sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: I understand it's a joke, my point is that your implied line of logic doesn't work in this situation.

[Anesthesia]

Oh no, you don't say?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's called a joke. A parody.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fact that these folks can't realise that there's more to it than playing one simple game is about as stupid.

[Necromagus]

Sorry to bump this up but... The game he requested got released :D

 

 

 

The full description of the game Jack Thompson wanted:

Osaki Kim is the father of a high school boy beaten to death with a baseball bat by a 14-year-old gamer. The killer obsessively played a violent video game in which one of the favored ways of killing is with a bat. The opening scene, before the interactive game play begins, is the Los Angeles courtroom in which the killer is sentenced "only" to life in prison after the judge and the jury have heard experts explain the connection between the game and the murder.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Osaki Kim (O.K.) exits the courtroom swearing revenge upon the video game industry whom he is convinced contributed to his son's murder. "Vengeance is mine, I will repay" he says. And boy, is O.K. not kidding.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

O.K. is provided in his virtual reality playpen a panoply of weapons: machetes, Uzis, revolvers, shotguns, sniper rifles, Molotov cocktails, you name it. Even baseball bats. Especially baseball bats.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

O.K. first hops a plane from LAX to New York to reach the Long Island home of the CEO of the company (Take This) that made the murder simulator on which his son's killer trained. O.K. gets "justice" by taking out this female CEO, whose name is Paula Eibel, along with her husband and kids. "An eye for an eye," says O.K., as he urinates onto the severed brain stems of the Eibel family victims, just as you do on the decapitated cops in the real video game Postal2.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

O.K. then works his way, methodically back to LA by car, but on his way makes a stop at the Philadelphia law firm of Blank, Stare and goes floor by floor to wipe out the lawyers who protect Take This in its wrongful death law suits. "So sue me" O.K. spits, with singer Jackson Brown's 1980's hit Lawyers in Love blaring.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With the FBI now after him, O.K. keeps moving westward, shooting up high-tech video arcades called GameWerks. "Game over," O.K. laughs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course, O.K. makes the obligatory runs to virtual versions of brick and mortar retailers Best Buy, Circuit City, Target, and Wal-Mart to steal supplies and bludgeon store managers and cash register clerks. "You should have checked kids' IDs!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

O.K. pushes on to Los Angeles. He must get there by May 10, 2006. That is the beginning of "E3" -- the Electronic Entertainment Expo -- the Super Bowl of the video game industry. O.K. must get to E3 to massacre all the video game industry execs with one final, monstrously delicious rampage.

Trust me, it's all there :)

[BigChad]

Video games don't make me want to kill people, stupid people like you, however do.

[Necromagus]

Ehrm... ok...? Kill away, you mighty e-thug you...

[BigChad]

Sorry necro that wasnt met for you lol, was just generally speaking.

[Necromagus]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight... you might want to make that clear next time. Death threats aren't a good idea in general anyway, no matter who they're pointed at.