RuneVillage - Removed as gold status because owner is a sex offender

[Rainy_Day]

Not sure i agree with Jagex broadcasting that, should have just been Jagex sending that to runevillage, not to the community.

I'm in agreeance to be honest. I don't think it's fair to tarnish someone after many years of conviction so publically. Something I definitely take a stance against. Unless he's proven to be a risk right now, which I doubt, I don't think it was fair nor appropriate. It's no worse than a tabloid paper such as the Sun digging up old dirt to tarnish someone.

[Carl]

Not sure i agree with Jagex broadcasting that, should have just been Jagex sending that to runevillage, not to the community.

I'm in agreeance to be honest. I don't think it's fair to tarnish someone after many years of conviction so publically. Something I definitely take a stance against. Unless he's proven to be a risk right now, which I doubt, I don't think it was fair nor appropriate. It's no worse than a tabloid paper such as the Sun digging up old dirt to tarnish someone.

 

If the Sun were providing said someone support so its readers viewed their site, and looked at them as a positive source? Then yeah, if they were to pull that support upon finding out new information on that someone - they need to tell people. Then it would just look like Jagex is playing the bully and removing support to keep everyone in line or some nonsense. Some people here will find a way to spin it, for sure.

[Deathknell]

Not sure i agree with Jagex broadcasting that, should have just been Jagex sending that to runevillage, not to the community.

I'm in agreeance to be honest. I don't think it's fair to tarnish someone after many years of conviction so publically. Something I definitely take a stance against. Unless he's proven to be a risk right now, which I doubt, I don't think it was fair nor appropriate. It's no worse than a tabloid paper such as the Sun digging up old dirt to tarnish someone.

 

Given the nature of his crime, I think you have to expect at any time for the rest of your life that it might come out again.

 

I mean, I've managed to go 26 years without storing or tranfering pornographic images of teenagers. And you know, it hasn't been that difficult.

 

My belief is simple. If you engage in child pornography or pedophilia in any way, [bleep] you! I'd like to make you wear a large P on your chest for the rest of your life ala the Scarlet Letter. Or better yet, hanging by your neck at the end of a rope.

 

Self-inflicted of course. I don't believe in lynch mobs. :shame:

[pulli23]

Not sure i agree with Jagex broadcasting that, should have just been Jagex sending that to runevillage, not to the community.

I'm in agreeance to be honest. I don't think it's fair to tarnish someone after many years of conviction so publically. Something I definitely take a stance against. Unless he's proven to be a risk right now, which I doubt, I don't think it was fair nor appropriate. It's no worse than a tabloid paper such as the Sun digging up old dirt to tarnish someone.

 

Given the nature of his crime, I think you have to expect at any time for the rest of your life that it might come out again.

 

I mean, I've managed to go 26 years without storing or tranfering pornographic images of teenagers. And you know, it hasn't been that difficult.

 

My belief is simple. If you engage in child pornography or pedophilia in any way, [bleep] you! I'd like to make you wear a large P on your chest for the rest of your life ala the Scarlet Letter. Or better yet, hanging by your neck at the end of a rope.

 

Self-inflicted of course. I don't believe in lynch mobs. :shame:

Yeah, just like some people had to war a star with them, you know that 6 point 1. Or how people burned slaves for centuries?

I've also managed 23 years without stealing or resulting to violence. Not difficult at all....

 

Really are any of you adults? You show a total lack of respect for the law & goverment here. From these type of crimes the goverment only releases when the chance on repetition is similar to somebody not comitted this crime in the first place. Saying he is still a danger shows you distrust your goverment: that's quite something.

[Deathknell]

Not sure i agree with Jagex broadcasting that, should have just been Jagex sending that to runevillage, not to the community.

I'm in agreeance to be honest. I don't think it's fair to tarnish someone after many years of conviction so publically. Something I definitely take a stance against. Unless he's proven to be a risk right now, which I doubt, I don't think it was fair nor appropriate. It's no worse than a tabloid paper such as the Sun digging up old dirt to tarnish someone.

 

Given the nature of his crime, I think you have to expect at any time for the rest of your life that it might come out again.

 

I mean, I've managed to go 26 years without storing or tranfering pornographic images of teenagers. And you know, it hasn't been that difficult.

 

My belief is simple. If you engage in child pornography or pedophilia in any way, [bleep] you! I'd like to make you wear a large P on your chest for the rest of your life ala the Scarlet Letter. Or better yet, hanging by your neck at the end of a rope.

 

Self-inflicted of course. I don't believe in lynch mobs. :shame:

Yeah, just like some people had to war a star with them, you know that 6 point 1. Or how people burned slaves for centuries?

I've also managed 23 years without stealing or resulting to violence. Not difficult at all....

 

Really are any of you adults? You show a total lack of respect for the law & goverment here. From these type of crimes the goverment only releases when the chance on repetition is similar to somebody not comitted this crime in the first place. Saying he is still a danger shows you distrust your goverment: that's quite something.

 

There is quite a difference between respecting the laws of your country and whether or not you distrust your government. Not to mention in the US the wider difference between city, county, state and federal laws.

 

In fact, it really has little to do with government. Hiker did something that involved them and then their involvement ended. Now, it's about Hiker, a citizen, RV a privately owned site, and Jagex a privately owned company.

 

The private company terminated a relationship with the citizen over past indiscretions. And told us why.

 

And pulli, due to much overcrowding of jails by nonviolent drug offenders, another discussion, criminals are released often, despite whether they'll do it again.

[Carl]

Not sure i agree with Jagex broadcasting that, should have just been Jagex sending that to runevillage, not to the community.

I'm in agreeance to be honest. I don't think it's fair to tarnish someone after many years of conviction so publically. Something I definitely take a stance against. Unless he's proven to be a risk right now, which I doubt, I don't think it was fair nor appropriate. It's no worse than a tabloid paper such as the Sun digging up old dirt to tarnish someone.

 

Given the nature of his crime, I think you have to expect at any time for the rest of your life that it might come out again.

 

I mean, I've managed to go 26 years without storing or tranfering pornographic images of teenagers. And you know, it hasn't been that difficult.

 

My belief is simple. If you engage in child pornography or pedophilia in any way, [bleep] you! I'd like to make you wear a large P on your chest for the rest of your life ala the Scarlet Letter. Or better yet, hanging by your neck at the end of a rope.

 

Self-inflicted of course. I don't believe in lynch mobs. :shame:

Yeah, just like some people had to war a star with them, you know that 6 point 1. Or how people burned slaves for centuries?

I've also managed 23 years without stealing or resulting to violence. Not difficult at all....

 

Really are any of you adults? You show a total lack of respect for the law & goverment here. From these type of crimes the goverment only releases when the chance on repetition is similar to somebody not comitted this crime in the first place. Saying he is still a danger shows you distrust your goverment: that's quite something.

 

I distrust the fact that someone who was found to be distributing child pornograhy, regardless of how many people it as shared with, has changed. And everything is A-okay now that it was several years in the past. Especially when they're operating a fan site revolving around a game which attracts teenagers. No matter how you go about it - it doesn't paint a very innocent picture. Hell, the man's probably a gentleman and had no ill-intentions, but really, can we trust that? Is it right for a multi-million pound company to be seen as supporting that fan site? I don't know what kind of content was on their forums, but I know we have a "Post Your Picture Here!" thread, when the forum contains a lot of young players and its being hosted by someone like that...Yeah. Jagex did the right thing, and no they shouldn't have done it discreetly. That's something those people need to know.

[Kimberly]

Some people here will find a way to spin it, for sure.

 

Hardly any different than someone who can always spin it in their favor, don't you agree?

[Deathknell]

Not sure i agree with Jagex broadcasting that, should have just been Jagex sending that to runevillage, not to the community.

I'm in agreeance to be honest. I don't think it's fair to tarnish someone after many years of conviction so publically. Something I definitely take a stance against. Unless he's proven to be a risk right now, which I doubt, I don't think it was fair nor appropriate. It's no worse than a tabloid paper such as the Sun digging up old dirt to tarnish someone.

 

Given the nature of his crime, I think you have to expect at any time for the rest of your life that it might come out again.

 

I mean, I've managed to go 26 years without storing or tranfering pornographic images of teenagers. And you know, it hasn't been that difficult.

 

My belief is simple. If you engage in child pornography or pedophilia in any way, [bleep] you! I'd like to make you wear a large P on your chest for the rest of your life ala the Scarlet Letter. Or better yet, hanging by your neck at the end of a rope.

 

Self-inflicted of course. I don't believe in lynch mobs. :shame:

Yeah, just like some people had to war a star with them, you know that 6 point 1. Or how people burned slaves for centuries?

I've also managed 23 years without stealing or resulting to violence. Not difficult at all....

 

Really are any of you adults? You show a total lack of respect for the law & goverment here. From these type of crimes the goverment only releases when the chance on repetition is similar to somebody not comitted this crime in the first place. Saying he is still a danger shows you distrust your goverment: that's quite something.

 

I distrust the fact that someone who was found to be distributing child pornograhy, regardless of how many people it as shared with, has changed. And everything is A-okay now that it was several years in the past. Especially when they're operating a fan site revolving around a game which attracts teenagers. No matter how you go about it - it doesn't paint a very innocent picture. Hell, the man's probably a gentleman and had no ill-intentions, but really, can we trust that? Is it right for a multi-million pound company to be seen as supporting that fan site? I don't know what kind of content was on their forums, but I know we have a "Post Your Picture Here!" thread, when the forum contains a lot of young players and its being hosted by someone like that...Yeah. Jagex did the right thing, and no they shouldn't have done it discreetly. That's something those people need to know.

 

I find it disturbing that so many people here are upset with Jagex that they are defending a child pornographer. :evil:

[Kimberly]

I find it disturbing that so many people here are upset with Jagex that they are defending a child pornographer. :evil:

 

I find it equally disturbing that the same people who are calling him a child pornographer are probably the same people who have pornographic videos with teens in them.

 

If they didn't announce it this way, they wouldn't have had the good press behind them for it and they wouldn't have had the clout to essentially force Hiker to resign. We can agree I think that the resignation was probably a good move. The means are regrettable, though. The pros outweigh the cons for presenting the information as they have, in business terms, but it's still a little disappointing to those with a small kernel of humanity tucked away.

[Bxpprod]

You mean Jagex as a company is concerned for their image.

 

That's fine. What's not fine in my book is how they've handled this situation and given rise to all this rabble-rousing.

 

I think you and I are in the same lonely boat here.

 

Jagex doesn't give a [bleep] about anything except making that money. They in no way care about making the game better or the people who play it. It's a shame this game was made my the UK.

 

Actually, reading the thread, you might find more than the 2 of you upset with their handling and the fact that all tehy care about is the image of the business.

 

And it's tiring to say, but Jagex is a BUSINESS.

 

#1 goal of business - make money. For without money, and without backers (because the people financially supporting Lagex will pull out without returns on their investment), there is NO GAME. No game. Period.

 

I find it disturbing that so many people here are upset with Jagex that they are defending a child pornographer

 

That is a rediculous straw-man argument. Go back to the drawing board s0n.

 

Given the nature of his crime, I think you have to expect at any time for the rest of your life that it might come out again.

 

I mean, I've managed to go 26 years without storing or tranfering pornographic images of teenagers. And you know, it hasn't been that difficult.

 

And if you read long-winded post (quoted in the first post of the thread I believe) you'll know that laws leading up to his arrest were actually different to what they are now.

 

My belief is simple. If you engage in child pornography or pedophilia in any way, [bleep] you! I'd like to make you wear a large P on your chest for the rest of your life ala the Scarlet Letter. Or better yet, hanging by your neck at the end of a rope.

 

That's right. Violence is the answer.

You know what labelling and public outings do? It causes violence. These people are chased out of town. Once you have served your time, you have the RIGHT to go back into society and keep on living. The more rediculous stunts that are pulled (big p's, public outings, special number plates as one state in the US had suggested), the harder it is for these men (and women) to be members of society. But lets not stop here. Lets label murderers with an M, lets label thieves with a T, hell, let's label people caught speeding with an S on their car.

 

Where do we stop?

[Deathknell]

You mean Jagex as a company is concerned for their image.

 

That's fine. What's not fine in my book is how they've handled this situation and given rise to all this rabble-rousing.

 

I think you and I are in the same lonely boat here.

 

Jagex doesn't give a [bleep] about anything except making that money. They in no way care about making the game better or the people who play it. It's a shame this game was made my the UK.

 

Actually, reading the thread, you might find more than the 2 of you upset with their handling and the fact that all tehy care about is the image of the business.

 

And it's tiring to say, but Jagex is a BUSINESS.

 

#1 goal of business - make money. For without money, and without backers (because the people financially supporting Lagex will pull out without returns on their investment), there is NO GAME. No game. Period.

 

I find it disturbing that so many people here are upset with Jagex that they are defending a child pornographer

 

That is a rediculous straw-man argument. Go back to the drawing board s0n.

 

And as a business, it's good business in the gaming industry to not associate with child pornographers. I quite agree with their decision. You can say a lot of their busines practices and policy changes as of late, but they've always had a pretty hard line when it comes to protecting kids and I'm glad they stick to it. :thumbup:

[Crossed_Body]

And as a business, it's good business in the gaming industry to not associate with child pornographers. I quite agree with their decision. You can say a lot of their busines practices and policy changes as of late, but they've always had a pretty hard line when it comes to protecting kids and I'm glad they stick to it. :thumbup:

 

Except he's not a child pornographer.

[Bxpprod]

 

And as a business, it's good business in the gaming industry to not associate with child pornographers. I quite agree with their decision. You can say a lot of their busines practices and policy changes as of late, but they've always had a pretty hard line when it comes to protecting kids and I'm glad they stick to it. :thumbup:

 

Protecting kids? Really? Yet we have rampant gambling going in game largely unchecked, several instances where binge drinking is encouraged, a censor that now is easily averted.

Are we really protecting kids?

 

REALLY?

 

As an aside, you might want to be careful about what you say. He wasn't charged with producing child pornography. So calling him a child pornographer is beginning to head towards slander.

[Deathknell]

And as a business, it's good business in the gaming industry to not associate with child pornographers. I quite agree with their decision. You can say a lot of their busines practices and policy changes as of late, but they've always had a pretty hard line when it comes to protecting kids and I'm glad they stick to it. :thumbup:

 

Except he's not a child pornographer.

 

True, but that's more of a failing of english. He clearly engaged in the storing and transfering of child pornography, though no he didn't produce any child porn.

 

I will call him a pedophile instead.

 

llort, you're right, he didn't produce it. I won't call him that anymore.

 

And I mean protecting them from true harm, outside harm. Not protecting them from legit content in the game. I don't think they really need to worry about protecting them from gambling or naughty language.

 

1) I don't think bad words are a big deal.

2) If you gamble in RS you'll grow to hate gambling. Probably a good thing.

3) Yeah, I don't care much for the drinking, but I don't think it's that dentrimental either.

[pulli23]

And as a business, it's good business in the gaming industry to not associate with child pornographers. I quite agree with their decision. You can say a lot of their busines practices and policy changes as of late, but they've always had a pretty hard line when it comes to protecting kids and I'm glad they stick to it. :thumbup:

 

 

Maybe, I'm not challenging jagex' choices.

 

However what I am challenging is the publicity, and the naming & shaming of this. With these matter some discretion should be taken into account.

[Bxpprod]

I distrust the fact that someone who was found to be distributing child pornograhy' date=' regardless of how many people it as shared with, has changed. And everything is A-okay now that it was several years in the past. Especially when they're operating a fan site revolving around a game which attracts teenagers. No matter how you go about it - it doesn't paint a very innocent picture. Hell, the man's probably a gentleman and had no ill-intentions, but really, can we trust that? Is it right for a multi-million pound company to be seen as supporting that fan site? I don't know what kind of content was on their forums, but I know we have a "Post Your Picture Here!" thread, when the forum contains a lot of young players and its being hosted by someone like that...Yeah. Jagex did the right thing, and no they shouldn't have done it discreetly. That's something those people need to know. [/quote']

 

Post pictures here example is void. He was charged with distribution of CP, not production, nor sex with a minor. Try again.

[Crocefisso]

If they didn't notify us as to why it was removed from support, you'd get another [cabbage] Jiblix style story, only having one side.

 

They didn't need to do this publicly. They could have entered into private negotiations concerning the matter as Tip.it had done to gain it's platinum status. From there they might've worked out a possible solution that kept it all quiet.

 

Jagex acted in a hamfisted manner, as usual.

 

I think you and I are in the same lonely boat here.

 

Heh. At this point I'm only interested in how long the fiddler will play while Rome burns to the ground, so to speak.

Though it is regrettable that Jagex's public approach may have tarnished RuneVillage's reputation, it also forced the person in question to leave, which is a good thing. After all, RV could not have stayed on as a part of the Fansite Support Programme in the light of this revelation about the owner, because a fansite for a children's game (largely) run by a convicted paedophile is so suspicious that the website automatically fails the only criteria for Bronze - "■These are safe websites who understand the basics of supporting players" - because such a website cannot be classified as safe. Anyone who believes that someone's innate nature changes between their 40s and 60s and suddenly they have no sexual feelings towards children because of a few months of prison is absurdly naive. As such, I think that it is morally wrong to support a fansite that is run by a paedo. The actual method in which Jagex conducted themselves is a different matter altogether; I think that, by forcing the man in question to leave, it made RuneVillage a more credible and safer fansite. This may or may not have been achieved by private talks and a quiet de-rank. Conversely, I can see why some people are upset at the reputation damage to RuneVillage that their approach is a little heavy-handed, but overall I think it was the better one.

 

Oh, and did you steal the Nero analogy from my Tip.It article from 21 Aug? ;)

[Carl]

Some people here will find a way to spin it, for sure.

 

Hardly any different than someone who can always spin it in their favor, don't you agree?

 

But given the current route the community has taken, any chance to have a stab at them is jumped on. If they were seen as to be removing support from a fansite for no reason, surely the minds within this now-vile community would whip it up, throw it around and say they were probably asking RV for money or something stupid, or trying to silence the Jagex haters over there at RV (Not saying there are any, but it's possible!) At least with how they approached it, they told everyone straight up what the deal was and the fact they weren't going to be supporting someone with a history like that.

 

YO.

 

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[oropher]

Afaik, he didn't have any child pornography? He sent some pictures of teens to someone else. I'm sure quite a few people own "child pornography" if we define naked pictures of teenage girls as such...

 

Also, Pedophilia= sexual interest in prepubescent children.

[The Observer]

I never used that website, seems like a nice concept though. I really don't care how they've dealt with it, as long as that pedobear lands in prison.

 

He's already been to court and was charged, hence the sex offender title.

[Bxpprod]

 

But given the current route the community has taken, any chance to have a stab at them is jumped on. If they were seen as to be removing support from a fansite for no reason, surely the minds within this now-vile community would whip it up, throw it around and say they were probably asking RV for money or something stupid, or trying to silence the Jagex haters over there at RV (Not saying there are any, but it's possible!) At least with how they approached it, they told everyone straight up what the deal was and the fact they weren't going to be supporting someone with a history like that.

 

YO.

 

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Instead leading to RV being inundated with hateful posts and even worse trolls, a number of forums discussing how terrible a person this guy is for something he did a number of years ago, a handful of people making what could easily be regarded as slanderous statements and a fun new lynch mob.

 

 

True, but that's more of a failing of english. He clearly engaged in the storing and transfering of child pornography, though no he didn't produce any child porn.

 

I will call him a pedophile instead.

 

llort, you're right, he didn't produce it. I won't call him that anymore.

 

 

No, its not a failing of English. It's legal terminology. He's not a pedophile either, that is someone who (either did, or attempted to) had sex with someone under age (the ages vary from state to state, and country to country, some US states its under 12). Try again.

 

 

And I mean protecting them from true harm, outside harm. Not protecting them from legit content in the game. I don't think they really need to worry about protecting them from gambling or naughty language.

 

1) I don't think bad words are a big deal.

2) If you gamble in RS you'll grow to hate gambling. Probably a good thing.

3) Yeah, I don't care much for the drinking, but I don't think it's that dentrimental either.

 

What YOU see to be detrimental or otherwise is not what others see. Things in this game have the potential to lead to cause true, outside harm. To simply toss away gambling in game and drinking in game as things that have absolutely no problem at all is a fanciful isn't it? Kids playing these games have a very real chance of growing up not knowing the consequences of these actions. (Swearing was more in regards to it being inappropriate, so we'll leave that aside). There are no real consequences to me getting sloshed, so I'll go out on Friday night and do it! I'll go an gamble because while I won big on RS.

[BioIce]

Oh, and did you steal the Nero analogy from my Tip.It article from 21 Aug?

 

Nero actually used a harp, but the fiddle's stuck.

 

The article didn't come to mind.

[Deathknell]

 

True, but that's more of a failing of english. He clearly engaged in the storing and transfering of child pornography, though no he didn't produce any child porn.

 

I will call him a pedophile instead.

 

llort, you're right, he didn't produce it. I won't call him that anymore.

 

 

No, its not a failing of English. It's legal terminology. He's not a pedophile either, that is someone who (either did, or attempted to) had sex with someone under age (the ages vary from state to state, and country to country, some US states its under 12). Try again.

 

 

And I mean protecting them from true harm, outside harm. Not protecting them from legit content in the game. I don't think they really need to worry about protecting them from gambling or naughty language.

 

1) I don't think bad words are a big deal.

2) If you gamble in RS you'll grow to hate gambling. Probably a good thing.

3) Yeah, I don't care much for the drinking, but I don't think it's that dentrimental either.

 

What YOU see to be detrimental or otherwise is not what others see. Things in this game have the potential to lead to cause true, outside harm. To simply toss away gambling in game and drinking in game as things that have absolutely no problem at all is a fanciful isn't it? Kids playing these games have a very real chance of growing up not knowing the consequences of these actions. (Swearing was more in regards to it being inappropriate, so we'll leave that aside). There are no real consequences to me getting sloshed, so I'll go out on Friday night and do it! I'll go an gamble because while I won big on RS.

 

Fair enough, but I would argue that someone should not be taking their moral cues from Runescape.

 

May I acronym something to call Hiker? PDCP? Person distributing child pronography? I want something more specific than "sex offender" because some of those people are the legit 18s having sex with 17s.

 

PS, English is a second language for me. I do make mistakes, but I try hard.

 

PPS, Pulli, I get your point, but if Jagex didn't say why they would've been blasted for it. I don't think they should've had to take the hit on this one over a PDCP.

[Carl]

I distrust the fact that someone who was found to be distributing child pornograhy' date=' regardless of how many people it as shared with, has changed. And everything is A-okay now that it was several years in the past. Especially when they're operating a fan site revolving around a game which attracts teenagers. No matter how you go about it - it doesn't paint a very innocent picture. Hell, the man's probably a gentleman and had no ill-intentions, but really, can we trust that? Is it right for a multi-million pound company to be seen as supporting that fan site? I don't know what kind of content was on their forums, but I know we have a "Post Your Picture Here!" thread, when the forum contains a lot of young players and its being hosted by someone like that...Yeah. Jagex did the right thing, and no they shouldn't have done it discreetly. That's something those people need to know. [/quote']

 

Post pictures here example is void. He was charged with distribution of CP, not production, nor sex with a minor. Try again.

 

No it's not void, at all. Jumping to conclusions, sure, but what's to say there wasn't more than just what he was charged with? We will never truly know the full story. And a fansite, created by him, which attracts teens and contains a thread for them to post pictures of themselves? Not saying such thread was there, but we have one. People don't change, no matter what's done to them. You can't change how they are wired and how they think, what interests them and what doesn't.

 

Also a previous offense: "in that case, i was basically in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong person."

[Kimberly]

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Putting aside your unnatural hate for the community you're a part of and your equally unnatural blind support for Jagex, I think you've missed the point of what's being discussed here.

 

No it's not void, at all. Jumping to conclusions, sure, but what's to say there wasn't more than just what he was charged with? We will never truly know the full story.

 

That's a bit hypocritical don't you think, considering you just were complaining how you didin't want this to turn into another jiblix fiasco where only one side of the story was told.