Was he really banned?

 

And Jagex can't sue for swearing beacuse

1.) its not against U.S law

2.) It would be crazy to try and sue for that.

Edited November 11, 201114 yr by Kimberly
Ofc he wasn't lol.

Was he really banned?

 

No.

 

Thanks Kim! <3:

 

Edit:

 

To clarify, that wasn't just a random troll, it was what:

Experts IV: The Trolls.

would look like.

Just a reminder, for people who think Jagex is on shaky legal grounds, remember that Jagex has their own lawyers looking over these things. In far greater detail then us, if for no other reason then they have access to more detailed information then us.

 

Indeed, but the point being that they've got almost nothing to gain from this except to stop botting. I'm just thinking of the monetary implications of this, because I'm not 100% sure how much money they'd have to throw at the courts to even "win" this kind of thing.

 

Was he really banned?

 

And Jagex can't sue for swearing beacuse

1.) its not against U.S law

2.) It would be crazy to try and sue for that.

 

Actually, technically, they could sue for swearing, but there would be exactly zero they could gain other than losing a ton of money and PR. I'd almost expect this case to be thrown out, but I'll just observe for now, because companies like this come across as annoying.

 

Everyone, keep in mind that a Terms of Service is not entirely a legally binding contract. If the Iphone jailbreak case is any indication, the judge actually didn't even consider those terms and threw them out, simply because they're so badly slanted against the consumer and difficult to read and understand for the average person.

 

In any case, if they're really suing, the only thing they could profitably sue for is to cease production of the botting programs. Any attempts to sue for money would be wasted as they'd never see those funds in their lifetime.

Everyone, keep in mind that a Terms of Service is not entirely a legally binding contract. If the Iphone jailbreak case is any indication, the judge actually didn't even consider those terms and threw them out, simply because they're so badly slanted against the consumer and difficult to read and understand for the average person.

 

Please use another example, if you wish to argue that. Jailbreaking an iPhone is very different to using a Botting program, effecting the other hundrds-of-thousands of users operating that product whenever you're online.

I've consulted various websites, and can't find any that state that the Terms & Conditions aren't legally binding. If, when brought to court the T&C are vague or too ambigious, there's a high chance you won't win.

 

You must not reverse-engineer, decompile or modify any Jagex Product client software in any way (except to the extent allowed by applicable law). You must not use a modified/customised version of the client software or attempt to sub-license it. You must not create or provide any other means by which any Jagex Product may be played by others (including, without limitation, replacement or modified client/server software, server emulators).

 

You must not use other software to gain an unfair advantage in our games. This includes automation tools, macros, bots, or auto-typers. You may not circumvent any of our mechanisms designed to automatically log out inactive users.

 

You also must not use any game-specific, third-party software that encourages breaking of our rules, or bypasses the normal navigation of our website, or automatically requests pages from our website, or which endangers user accounts.

 

There's absolutely nothing vague about that. It's also seen in-game whenever you pull up the Report Abuse screen.

 

 

In any case, if they're really suing, the only thing they could profitably sue for is to cease production of the botting programs. Any attempts to sue for money would be wasted as they'd never see those funds in their lifetime.

 

If one's brought to court, there's good chances they will see it.

I knew they knew what they were doing, fanboys with their allegations against jagex... made no sense.

Oh god it's like Star Wars 3 but worse.

 

Star wars 3 was pretty good.

 

Experts IV: The Trolls.

Interesting. The entire series should be renamed that for all the drivel that's written in this thread because...............................................

 

Just a reminder, for people who think Jagex is on shaky legal grounds, remember that Jagex has their own lawyers looking over these things. In far greater detail then us, if for no other reason then they have access to more detailed information then us.

Precisely. Just like all the so-called experts in some of the other threads there's no-one here who really knows what the detail is or what the avenues are. Its the usual blase statements that the tipit forums have become accustomed to. All we can do is wait and see what happens next.

I knew they knew what they were doing, fanboys with their allegations against jagex... made no sense.

 

I'd never argue that just because someone has corporate lawyers/ lawyers they know what they are doing. There are NUMEROUS reasons Jagex could do this besides actually thinking they can get money out of botters by winning a law suit.

 

My argument has never been that I either know more then Jagex, or that Jagex won't sue, etc. It has, rather, been that Jagex won't be successful suing INDIVIDUAL bot users, and actually getting money out of them.

 

The point of discussion is to have discourse, which includes debate and argument. Throwing around the drivel you've been doing is neither on topic, nor contributory, and would, if anything, be deemed trolling.

 

In fact, I'd say that if we ALWAYS assume Jagex/their lawyers know what they are doing, and thus their is no point talking/discussing it (your basic premise) then we should just lock any thread such as this.

 

1.) Scare Tactic

 

2.) PR/Notoriety

 

3.) An attempt to get the news out to players who stopped that "bots are gone" (Seriously, people outside of RS are talking/blogging about this on some scale)

 

4.) Try to scar e people into settling out of court (much like the RIAA does)

 

ETC.

 

Looking simply at the surface level is far too shallow, ESPECIALLY the lack of (winning) precedent and the cases were other corporations (Jagex in 09, blizzard last year) actually LOST.

Did Jagex lose a case in 2009? I heard they've always won, even against those trolls with their claims of chat-invention.

In any case, if they're really suing, the only thing they could profitably sue for is to cease production of the botting programs. Any attempts to sue for money would be wasted as they'd never see those funds in their lifetime.

 

If one's brought to court, there's good chances they will see it.

 

Not if they don't have the money period. 99% of civil lawsuits never sees all of the money from it. Case in point, there's the case of that woman who was sued for 2.4M or 2.4B for downloading a bunch of songs. There is no way that company will see that money from that individual in their lifetime, there is absolutely no way. This will be no different, and I would have no idea how they'd quantify "damage" done in any case. What, would each "tree" chopped be worth X cash? It's an arbitrary thing at best. Alternately, they could just settle the matter outside of court, but knowing how these companies have just so much money to throw at the courts, I'm not so sure.

 

Also, I don't even play this game, as I stopped well over four years ago, so how would I know what the abuse report is?

In any case, if they're really suing, the only thing they could profitably sue for is to cease production of the botting programs. Any attempts to sue for money would be wasted as they'd never see those funds in their lifetime.

 

If one's brought to court, there's good chances they will see it.

 

Not if they don't have the money period. 99% of civil lawsuits never sees all of the money from it. Case in point, there's the case of that woman who was sued for 2.4M or 2.4B for downloading a bunch of songs. There is no way that company will see that money from that individual in their lifetime, there is absolutely no way. This will be no different, and I would have no idea how they'd quantify "damage" done in any case. What, would each "tree" chopped be worth X cash? It's an arbitrary thing at best. Alternately, they could just settle the matter outside of court, but knowing how these companies have just so much money to throw at the courts, I'm not so sure.

 

Also, I don't even play this game, as I stopped well over four years ago, so how would I know what the abuse report is?

 

What about your TOS argument?

Report Abuse has always been in the game. One of the first options to report is for macroing. It's hinted everywhere that bots aren't allowed.

 

Of course they won't see 2.4M or 2.4B - they'll likely see a realistic amount. I wasn't talking about massive sums of money.

In any case, if they're really suing, the only thing they could profitably sue for is to cease production of the botting programs. Any attempts to sue for money would be wasted as they'd never see those funds in their lifetime.

 

If one's brought to court, there's good chances they will see it.

 

Not if they don't have the money period. 99% of civil lawsuits never sees all of the money from it. Case in point, there's the case of that woman who was sued for 2.4M or 2.4B for downloading a bunch of songs. There is no way that company will see that money from that individual in their lifetime, there is absolutely no way. This will be no different, and I would have no idea how they'd quantify "damage" done in any case. What, would each "tree" chopped be worth X cash? It's an arbitrary thing at best. Alternately, they could just settle the matter outside of court, but knowing how these companies have just so much money to throw at the courts, I'm not so sure.

 

Also, I don't even play this game, as I stopped well over four years ago, so how would I know what the abuse report is?

 

What about your TOS argument?

Report Abuse has always been in the game. One of the first options to report is for macroing. It's hinted everywhere that bots aren't allowed.

 

Of course they won't see 2.4M or 2.4B - they'll likely see a realistic amount. I wasn't talking about massive sums of money.

In any case, I'm just saying that TOSes are in most cases not factored in during any proceedings. They're often so badly written in favor of the company and in most cases they do not extend any protections to the consumer. I'm also aware that Report Abuse is in game now that you've told me. Remember that I haven't played in four years meaning I frankly don't care for it? Literally the only reason I'm posting/bullshitting in this topic is for postcount+.

 

And on another note, I've read through a lot of recent shit the company is done. They're [bleep]ing garbage and they deserve every bit of bad karma and downfall coming their way.

In any case, if they're really suing, the only thing they could profitably sue for is to cease production of the botting programs. Any attempts to sue for money would be wasted as they'd never see those funds in their lifetime.

 

If one's brought to court, there's good chances they will see it.

 

Not if they don't have the money period. 99% of civil lawsuits never sees all of the money from it. Case in point, there's the case of that woman who was sued for 2.4M or 2.4B for downloading a bunch of songs. There is no way that company will see that money from that individual in their lifetime, there is absolutely no way. This will be no different, and I would have no idea how they'd quantify "damage" done in any case. What, would each "tree" chopped be worth X cash? It's an arbitrary thing at best. Alternately, they could just settle the matter outside of court, but knowing how these companies have just so much money to throw at the courts, I'm not so sure.

 

Also, I don't even play this game, as I stopped well over four years ago, so how would I know what the abuse report is?

 

What about your TOS argument?

Report Abuse has always been in the game. One of the first options to report is for macroing. It's hinted everywhere that bots aren't allowed.

 

Of course they won't see 2.4M or 2.4B - they'll likely see a realistic amount. I wasn't talking about massive sums of money.

In any case, I'm just saying that TOSes are in most cases not factored in during any proceedings. They're often so badly written in favor of the company and in most cases they do not extend any protections to the consumer. I'm also aware that Report Abuse is in game now that you've told me. Remember that I haven't played in four years meaning I frankly don't care for it? Literally the only reason I'm posting/bullshitting in this topic is for postcount+.

 

Trying to boost your post count by making stupid arguments really isn't productive.

 

They're "often" this, and "most cases" that. No. You're not talking about any company. Make an effort instead of forming your own conclusions from absolutely no work.

 

I never said you cared for the "Report Abuse" button. But it was regarding your above comments that I brought it up.

 

And on another note, I've read through a lot of recent shit the company is done. They're [bleep]ing garbage and they deserve every bit of bad karma and downfall coming their way.

 

Do you read the cover of every book before you comment on it?

 

 

Try harder.

Jagex has gotten the official okay from a judge on the subpoena -not just the okay, but a ruling that it is valid and legal. So there it is - end of the rumors in that department.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/11/10/41380.htm

 

No news yet on the real case itself -I wonder how many ppl will really be sued.

 

And jesus @newb..while I actually agree with you here, you really need to learn to be a nicer person.

Jagex has gotten the official okay from a judge on the subpoena -not just the okay, but a ruling that it is valid and legal. So there it is - end of the rumors in that department.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/11/10/41380.htm

 

Or, as Marshall Eriksen would say, Lawyered. :lol:

Jagex has gotten the official okay from a judge on the subpoena -not just the okay, but a ruling that it is valid and legal. So there it is - end of the rumors in that department.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/11/10/41380.htm

 

No news yet on the real case itself -I wonder how many ppl will really be sued.

 

And jesus @newb..while I actually agree with you here, you really need to learn to be a nicer person.

 

You don't know me personally, at all, Pal. When it comes to here, though...And some of the posts? There's only so much face-palming I can do.

 

If that person doesn't want to make an effort in their post, and only [bleep] about it "Because X said...", then don't expect Mr. Niceguy.

In any case, if they're really suing, the only thing they could profitably sue for is to cease production of the botting programs. Any attempts to sue for money would be wasted as they'd never see those funds in their lifetime.

 

If one's brought to court, there's good chances they will see it.

 

Not if they don't have the money period. 99% of civil lawsuits never sees all of the money from it. Case in point, there's the case of that woman who was sued for 2.4M or 2.4B for downloading a bunch of songs. There is no way that company will see that money from that individual in their lifetime, there is absolutely no way. This will be no different, and I would have no idea how they'd quantify "damage" done in any case. What, would each "tree" chopped be worth X cash? It's an arbitrary thing at best. Alternately, they could just settle the matter outside of court, but knowing how these companies have just so much money to throw at the courts, I'm not so sure.

 

Also, I don't even play this game, as I stopped well over four years ago, so how would I know what the abuse report is?

 

What about your TOS argument?

Report Abuse has always been in the game. One of the first options to report is for macroing. It's hinted everywhere that bots aren't allowed.

 

Of course they won't see 2.4M or 2.4B - they'll likely see a realistic amount. I wasn't talking about massive sums of money.

In any case, I'm just saying that TOSes are in most cases not factored in during any proceedings. They're often so badly written in favor of the company and in most cases they do not extend any protections to the consumer. I'm also aware that Report Abuse is in game now that you've told me. Remember that I haven't played in four years meaning I frankly don't care for it? Literally the only reason I'm posting/bullshitting in this topic is for postcount+.

 

Trying to boost your post count by making stupid arguments really isn't productive.

 

They're "often" this, and "most cases" that. No. You're not talking about any company. Make an effort instead of forming your own conclusions from absolutely no work.

 

I never said you cared for the "Report Abuse" button. But it was regarding your above comments that I brought it up.

 

And on another note, I've read through a lot of recent shit the company is done. They're [bleep]ing garbage and they deserve every bit of bad karma and downfall coming their way.

 

Do you read the cover of every book before you comment on it?

 

 

Try harder.

 

As I said, I frankly don't give a shit, and I'm not even trying. Postcount++.

 

Also, using the trollface is stupid. In fact, I'll just humor the last part. Note, your frame of "recent" is different from mine.

 

How they handled runevillage? Yeah, the idiot who spearheaded that should be fired. I wasn't defending what the owner of RV did, but this was so grossly mishandled that almost everything else would be better.

 

The recent case of that one dude who lost fmod status and even quit because of how Jagex handled him posting ONE video? I won't even comment on this because the company as a whole has grossly mishandled a bit too much for me to take them seriously. I feel bad for the dude who lost that status, but frankly the company is a joke.

 

Also how they handled the GJA? I don't even need to comment on how they handled it.

 

Their policy on stuff is to blot it out if they're put in even remotely a negative light, and such it's a very draconian form of censorship. I even have examples of this in video form from 2006. End result? The company is garbage, which may or may not be relevant. And I love how you arbitrarily state that you're not going to be Mr. NiceGuy just because of a small statement in a post I might have made in passing. Yes they can protect their image, but that's besides the point.

 

In any case, if they're really suing, the only thing they could profitably sue for is to cease production of the botting programs. Any attempts to sue for money would be wasted as they'd never see those funds in their lifetime.

 

If one's brought to court, there's good chances they will see it.

 

Not if they don't have the money period. 99% of civil lawsuits never sees all of the money from it. Case in point, there's the case of that woman who was sued for 2.4M or 2.4B for downloading a bunch of songs. There is no way that company will see that money from that individual in their lifetime, there is absolutely no way. This will be no different, and I would have no idea how they'd quantify "damage" done in any case. What, would each "tree" chopped be worth X cash? It's an arbitrary thing at best. Alternately, they could just settle the matter outside of court, but knowing how these companies have just so much money to throw at the courts, I'm not so sure.

 

Also, I don't even play this game, as I stopped well over four years ago, so how would I know what the abuse report is?

 

What about your TOS argument?

Report Abuse has always been in the game. One of the first options to report is for macroing. It's hinted everywhere that bots aren't allowed.

 

Of course they won't see 2.4M or 2.4B - they'll likely see a realistic amount. I wasn't talking about massive sums of money.

In any case, I'm just saying that TOSes are in most cases not factored in during any proceedings. They're often so badly written in favor of the company and in most cases they do not extend any protections to the consumer. I'm also aware that Report Abuse is in game now that you've told me. Remember that I haven't played in four years meaning I frankly don't care for it? Literally the only reason I'm posting/bullshitting in this topic is for postcount+.

 

Trying to boost your post count by making stupid arguments really isn't productive.

 

They're "often" this, and "most cases" that. No. You're not talking about any company. Make an effort instead of forming your own conclusions from absolutely no work.

 

I never said you cared for the "Report Abuse" button. But it was regarding your above comments that I brought it up.

 

And on another note, I've read through a lot of recent shit the company is done. They're [bleep]ing garbage and they deserve every bit of bad karma and downfall coming their way.

 

Do you read the cover of every book before you comment on it?

 

 

Try harder.

 

As I said, I frankly don't give a shit, and I'm not even trying. Postcount++.

 

Also, using the trollface is stupid. In fact, I'll just humor the last part. Note, your frame of "recent" is different from mine.

 

How they handled runevillage? Yeah, the idiot who spearheaded that should be fired. I wasn't defending what the owner of RV did, but this was so grossly mishandled that almost everything else would be better.

 

The recent case of that one dude who lost fmod status and even quit because of how Jagex handled him posting ONE video? I won't even comment on this because the company as a whole has grossly mishandled a bit too much for me to take them seriously. I feel bad for the dude who lost that status, but frankly the company is a joke.

 

Also how they handled the GJA? I don't even need to comment on how they handled it.

 

Their policy on stuff is to blot it out if they're put in even remotely a negative light, and such it's a very draconian form of censorship. I even have examples of this in video form from 2006. End result? The company is garbage, which may or may not be relevant. And I love how you arbitrarily state that you're not going to be Mr. NiceGuy just because of a small statement in a post I might have made in passing. Yes they can protect their image, but that's besides the point.

 

 

 

Why are you still on this forum then?

Their policy on stuff is to blot it out if they're put in even remotely a negative light, and such it's a very draconian form of censorship. I even have examples of this in video form from 2006. End result? The company is garbage, which may or may not be relevant. And I love how you arbitrarily state that you're not going to be Mr. NiceGuy just because of a small statement in a post I might have made in passing. Yes they can protect their image, but that's besides the point.

 

Jagex, a business, protecting it's image

 

What's the big deal people have with this? I realise in the current "Occupy Everything" society, we hate business, but really, a business is gearing itself to protect and improve it's image to potential (note: new, not current) players, is somehow a huge issue?

 

As a footnote: They censored who?

 

Why are you still on this forum then?

 

Only because of VG&C and the private boards I'm allowed into. That's literally the only reason I even use this site.

 

And there is a topic of the GJA and some player, it's on the first page here. In short, a forum mod posted a video showing a ton of bots spamming gold-selling sites. Jagex pulls the video and removes that guy's forum mod status. And they can protect their damn image if they want, but they're doing a really shoddy job of it.