transcript80 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 :wall: By the time a woman gets an abortion, her baby has already differentiated enough that its stem cells are "adult" stem cells, not embryonic. A baby is an embryo for less than 6 days. Abortions cannot supply embryos for research, period. My point exactly. Abortion and the gay agenda have nothing to do with stem cell research, as myself and others have reasoned in several posts in this thread. I agree. Pretty much everyone's arguing from ignorance. Why did you include gay agenda in my quote? I didnt put it there. Other data was removed when acoount got hacked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 How does one harvest embryonic stem cells? "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sees_all1 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 How does one harvest embryonic stem cells?You trolling or curious? 99 dungeoneering achieved, thanks to everyone that celebrated with me! ♪♪ Don't interrupt me as I struggle to complete this thoughtHave some respect for someone more forgetful than yourself ♪♪♪♪ And I'm not doneAnd I won't be till my head falls off ♪♪ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomrombom Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 How does one harvest embryonic stem cells?You trolling or curious? Curious obviously. PM me for fitocracy invite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 How does one harvest embryonic stem cells?You trolling or curious?Well, I'm hoping to make a point. But I'd like someone to clarify first. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sees_all1 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 The short of it -Embryonic stem cells come from embryos. Usually at that stage, the baby is referred to as a "blastocyst" and resembles a ball of cells. This is about 4-5 days after fertilization, when normally the baby would be moving down the fallopian tubes into the uterus. To "harvest" cells, a scientist will "scrape" the insides of the blastocyst, or flatten it onto a petri dish. Another technique is called budding - when the baby is only about 8 cells, the scientist will separate one of those cells and use that to grow stem cells. Getting into semantics, this process is still considered morally unacceptable since if budding happened in nature, identical twins would have formed. Also, in the research done to come up with this process, all of the hosts the cell came from were neglected and died. The biggest source of embryos comes from the unused frozen leftovers of IVF. Usually this is between 6-100 embryos, usually less. In order to have a theoretically feasible treatment using embryonic stem cells, about 8 million embryos are needed. Considering woman have fewer egg cells, embryonic stem cell treatment is not feasible. I know I said otherwise earlier, but another source scientists would like to exploit for embryonic stem cells come from aborted female fetuses. The idea is to use all the egg cells in their ovaries for embryos, and it would "solve" the problem of the number of embryos needed. 99 dungeoneering achieved, thanks to everyone that celebrated with me! ♪♪ Don't interrupt me as I struggle to complete this thoughtHave some respect for someone more forgetful than yourself ♪♪♪♪ And I'm not doneAnd I won't be till my head falls off ♪♪ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingjj Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 So I know the topic has been focusing on embryonic stem cells, but stem cells are really cool in general: Stem Cells reverse heart damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transcript80 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 As promising as the article may seem, they are adult stem cells from THE SAME PATIENT. This is not a generic cure for all of us. I do like the results, though Also, the advantage of a "true" stem cell would be that it able to repair all kinds of tisue damage, not just heart. Another side not is that, in other studies, the new heart cells died and the treatment only was a temporal fix. Other data was removed when acoount got hacked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 :wall: By the time a woman gets an abortion, her baby has already differentiated enough that its stem cells are "adult" stem cells, not embryonic. A baby is an embryo for less than 6 days. Abortions cannot supply embryos for research, period. My point exactly. Abortion and the gay agenda have nothing to do with stem cell research, as myself and others have reasoned in several posts in this thread. I agree. Pretty much everyone's arguing from ignorance. Why did you include gay agenda in my quote? I didnt put it there. My sad attempt at humor. SWAG Mayn U wanna be like me but U can't be me cuz U ain't got ma swagga on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transcript80 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Combined with my sad understanding capabilities, that's another 4 forum posts lost.... Other data was removed when acoount got hacked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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