stirling105 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Lets say you hit 300 with bgs when using spec, then ur opponents def would be lowered by 30. But if you wait 10 mins after that and ur spec is 100% again and you hit another 300, would ur opponents str decrease by 300 or would the def still decrease by 300? I know dying (like at clan wars) resets the count, but if it goes from def to str to other stats, then why do people use bgs at corp? Ty :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenw Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 It works completely different to what you described: You deal 300 Damage, your opponent's defence is decreased by 30. When you hit the same person again for 300, his defence will again decrease by 30, so on until his/her defence is at 1 (IE cannot decrease anymore), which the remaining will overflow to strength. If strength is then at 1, then it goes to attack, repeating the process. 6,924th to 30 hunting, 13,394th to 30 summoning, 52,993rd to 30 DivinationKiln Record (Post-EoC): W 25 - L 0, 14 Uncut Onyx, 8 Jad hits received (Best record: Two in the same kiln)Obby set renewed post update #2: 0QBD drops: 21 crossbow parts, 3 Visages, 1 Kites, 2 KitsMax Port Score [2205] Achieved: 27th April 2013 (World 2nd) Farmyard Rampage ranking: 12th, 50,000 Kills. Dragon Pickaxe Drops: 1 (Times after I first entered Battlefield: 2h) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stirling105 Posted December 20, 2011 Author Share Posted December 20, 2011 Oh wow, o.o I've been neglecting buying bgs all these years because I thought i'd never be able to keep track of which stat i was decreasing. But it seems totally worth it now :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th e Doctor Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Oh wow, o.o I've been neglecting buying bgs all these years because I thought i'd never be able to keep track of which stat i was decreasing. But it seems totally worth it now :thumbsup: Believe me, its not. Armadyl Drops : 4 Hilts; 3 Chestplates; 2 Chainskirts; 1 Helmet; 1 Buckler; 2 Shard 1; 2 Shard 2; 1 Shard 3Nex : 1 Zaryte BowKalphite King : 1 Drygore Rapier ; 1 Drygore Longsword : 1 Drygore Offhand Rapier : 1 Drygore Offhand Longsword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fray Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Oh wow, o.o I've been neglecting buying bgs all these years because I thought i'd never be able to keep track of which stat i was decreasing. But it seems totally worth it now :thumbsup: Believe me, its not.This. There are very very few situations if any where, the BGS spec is more useful than any other. For one, the fight has to be a long one to even considering using this spec. The only thing I can think of is Nomad, but I guess Corp could fit as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Squab Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 From what I know, Corp is the main use for the BGS, at least for high levels. Nomad is ONE fight. Corp is a boss that you might camp at. But yeah, overall there aren't that many places were BGS is that useful =/ Squab unleashes Megiddo! Completed all quests and hard diaries. 75+ Skiller. (At one point.) 2000+ total. 99 Magic.[spoiler=The rest of my sig. You know you wanna see it.]my difinition of noob is i dont like u, either u are better then me or u are worst them meBuying spins make you a bad person...don't do it. It's like buying nukes for North Korea.Well if it bothers you that the game is more fun now, then you can go cry in a corner. :shame:your article was the equivalent of a circumcized porcupineThe only thing wrong with it is the lack of a percentage for when you need to stroke it. Poignant Purple to Lokie's Ravishing Red and Alg's Brilliant Blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I can't think of any godsword I'd consider useful. BGS at corp, but that's still beaten by swh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troacctid Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Nomad is ONE fight.Well, three, really. Read my blog | Follow me on Twitter | Track my XP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerfrog Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 If you own a rapier, it *could* actually lead to better DPS on high defense creatures than using claw specials. But the creature would need to have very high lifepoints and defense for this to work. One example i can think of is the decaying avatar from nomad's requiem. You can fight this beast as many times as you want in dominion tower, and you actually get more xp per damage than other creatures, i think it's 1.5x. With max accuracy/strength, this creature may even be one of the best training methods in runescape, thanks to BGS. (It's also afkable for about 25000 HP or until your prayer runs out. Which is pretty awesome.) BGS is also useful when ranging and you only care about the range XP. There are no good range special weapons so it only makes sense to use the defense lowering special. Sadly, there are not many high defense high lifepoints creatures you'd typically range for xp. Arma can't be melee specced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSxqPowerx Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Main use: entering a duel with a pure and then BGS speccing them so that their strength level drops to a negligible level, and laughing when they can't do any damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenw Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 One of the multitude of reasons why strength pure are pointless exercise... 6,924th to 30 hunting, 13,394th to 30 summoning, 52,993rd to 30 DivinationKiln Record (Post-EoC): W 25 - L 0, 14 Uncut Onyx, 8 Jad hits received (Best record: Two in the same kiln)Obby set renewed post update #2: 0QBD drops: 21 crossbow parts, 3 Visages, 1 Kites, 2 KitsMax Port Score [2205] Achieved: 27th April 2013 (World 2nd) Farmyard Rampage ranking: 12th, 50,000 Kills. Dragon Pickaxe Drops: 1 (Times after I first entered Battlefield: 2h) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I can't think of any godsword I'd consider useful. BGS at corp, but that's still beaten by swh.It's not always due to the cost. BGS is the best special for corping for money. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I can't think of any godsword I'd consider useful. BGS at corp, but that's still beaten by swh.It's not always due to the cost. BGS is the best special for corping for money.Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerfrog Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Does anyone know does the degrading works with the hammer when switching between weapons? Assuming it takes 3.6 seconds worth of use 1 attack it's 15700gp a spec... Expensive, but for a small team possibly worth using at corp.Assuming it takes 1 tick, 0.6 seconds, that's only 2616gp a spec, which is practically nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 A minute is used every attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 The pvp weapons with special attacks lose 1 charge out of the 60 they have every minute they are equipped (possibly only in combat, not sure), rounded up (so at least 1 minute). The corrupt versions without special attacks lose 1 charge out of the 2000 they have every tick in combat, but if you flash them perfectly they will not degrade. At corp this means you can use Vesta's spear for free, although you do lose the ability to ss flash. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerfrog Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Oh, ouch, thanks. I'd heard of spear flashing and was working from the assumption it worked with hammer. So the hammer is really 261k for 3 specs then. Or 4 if you use spec restores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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