The Back Room

[Jehosaphat]

There's gonna be a H&H reset? Wonderful. I might start again since there'll be a lower chance of greifers coming along and wrecking everything.

[Retech]

I propose that we found a tavern town, with each person having their own house. Each person would have personal property, but of course we'd probaly help each other out.

 

We could build a building called "The Tavern" as a meeting place/shared space.

[Earth]

That'd be cool. Also, the reset hasn't happened yet, I guess.

[Retech]

That'd be cool. Also, the reset hasn't happened yet, I guess.

 

It'll happen within the next day or two.

[Earth]

Ah, alright then.

[The Dark Lord]

Confirmed. There is a reset. 36-48 hours. Murder everywhere.

 

Me and some mates are going to go [bleep] some people up later, I guess.

 

 

Anyway, here's my stats:

 

http://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=8708&p=157822#p157822

 

I'm joining the new Sodom, though.

 

If you guys are serious about making a town, I can help give advice, although I'll be busy working on my new town.

 

Will probably give out my hearth secret after a few days or a week after world reset.

 

 

R.I.P Sodom. She could hold ~100 active players and had about 40 really active mains at the time of the reset. Of these, over half were warriors with high stats. We were also the best PvPers because our general was the game's top fighter. We knew how to use those stats and were required to undergo a lot of combat training. I'm glad that I became a respectable unarmed combat fighter. ^_^

 

I was given permission to recruit some people, even from other forums. However, I'm very strict about who I invite. I won't invite traitors, lazy asses, or [kitties]. Sounds harsh, but we have to be very careful about who we invite. I thought about starting a recruitment drive for our clan. We'll see, though.

[Retech]

It'll be in good fun. Trial and error. :)

 

I think that's why most of us play the game.

[Earth]

Eh, I just wonder how people find such good spots off the bat, or do they go through the same wintry hell as the rest of us?..

[Retech]

Glad to hear that you're still playing though. Night everyone. :thumbup:

[The Dark Lord]

Finding spots will be a challenge, yes.

 

My advice is to find an iron mine that's on a mudflat and far enough from a river. Mudflats don't require that you plow before paving, so it's easier to get the foundation down that way. Also, find clay spots for making bricks. Use the bricks to make smelters inside the iron mine (You can build inside mines and caves now, but more freedom building inside mines) and use stone axes to get ore and smelt. Make pickaxes with the bars and make more cast iron. Then build forges and turn cast iron into wrought (you'll need full industry characters for this). Use the wrought iron to make brickwalls. You'll also need to build steel crucibles to make steel for a village gate (which is sort of needed at first until you can get some wild windsown weeds and hang on drying racks and get grape seeds for making village wine). At that point you should keep gates closed at all times and make a crossroad outside the walls as well as a crossroad system inside the walls, by the container containing buckets of wine and wineglasses. Use this to reduce travel weariness so you can teleport outside the village.

 

A village idol is one of the most important things you should get up. Build it in a central part of the village, with the iron mine and industry area being close to the idol. It will make a good social focal point and generally help with the character development of your villagers. Make everyone work with the brickwall. No exceptions.

 

Also, make personal plots for each villager to live in. Make them square and at least 30x30 tiles. 40x40 is more recommended (Sodom in World 3 used 35x35).

 

EDIT: You'll need to raise perception and exploration first off so you can find rustroots.

[Jehosaphat]

Finding spots will be a challenge, yes.

 

My advice is to find an iron mine that's on a mudflat and far enough from a river. Mudflats don't require that you plow before paving, so it's easier to get the foundation down that way. Also, find clay spots for making bricks. Use the bricks to make smelters inside the iron mine (You can build inside mines and caves now, but more freedom building inside mines) and use stone axes to get ore and smelt. Make pickaxes with the bars and make more cast iron. Then build forges and turn cast iron into wrought (you'll need full industry characters for this). Use the wrought iron to make brickwalls. You'll also need to build steel crucibles to make steel for a village gate (which is sort of needed at first until you can get some wild windsown weeds and hang on drying racks and get grape seeds for making village wine). At that point you should keep gates closed at all times and make a crossroad outside the walls as well as a crossroad system inside the walls, by the container containing buckets of wine and wineglasses. Use this to reduce travel weariness so you can teleport outside the village.

 

A village idol is one of the most important things you should get up. Build it in a central part of the village, with the iron mine and industry area being close to the idol. It will make a good social focal point and generally help with the character development of your villagers. Make everyone work with the brickwall. No exceptions.

 

Also, make personal plots for each villager to live in. Make them square and at least 30x30 tiles. 40x40 is more recommended (Sodom in World 3 used 35x35).

 

EDIT: You'll need to raise perception and exploration first off so you can find rustroots.

Thanks for the advice.

 

So, I thought the reset had already happened for some stupid reason, and made a new character. All I can say is: HALLELUJAH THEY FIXED THE LAG.

 

New character is currently working on a house, just so I can get back into the swing of playing H&H.

[Earth]

Hmm. I think I'll be the nature charecter, so we can grow trees and such. Anyone mind if i take the farmer, tree grower, and dreamcatcher piler?

[The Dark Lord]

Try not to specialize too much because you'll be screwed if your farmers or cattle raisers quit. You can have one person that does the tanning and making best quality leather gear or silk, but that shouldn't be the only thing he does. You should be versatile for people to replace each other in jobs. Everyone should have a farmer, IMO. Try to get 100+ farming and then 200-300+ farming if you wanna be a decent farmer.

 

You should also get people to train combat stats, and you should all use your silk and stuff in order to make feasting tables via the Symbel skill. This is useful for raising attributes, which are as important as combat stats. Also, everyone should try to raise cows. Just increase the quality of the cows (focus on milk and breeding quality). Q10 cows are [cabbage].

 

Use fir cones for tree farms. Try not to clearcut too fast where your trees are planted on grass (because grass spawns when you clearcut a forest). Although you'll be fine if you do, but it'll just take twice as long to grow (but will eventually revert back to forest tile).

 

Stone mansions and brickwall only! Palisades are too easy too break by hand. Finding wheat seeds from WWWs will be one of your first challenges after finding an iron mine! Explore everywhere and collect WWWs because the seeds you get from them depend on the area in which you found the weeds. Hang on drying racks since you won't have plant fibers to make herb tables for a little while.

 

Build statues to cover your entire village so people can't use glitches in order to jump over your walls without a ram. Brick is impossible to break without rams. If one part of the wall falls, it does a cascade effect where a maximum of 50 tiles can be broken in all directions.

 

Try to maintain a good relationship with your neighbours if possible. Don't trust A.D. and be weary of all Russians. A.D. (Absolute Domination) is a hardcore Russian clan that is notorious for killing people for no reason in the game. They are warmongers and take over things. They have an extreme hatred for non-Russians.

 

If you have any questions, you can always contact me either on TIF or on HnH forums (forum nick: Sarchi).

[Icuownage]

Does the reset, reset your character? Or just the world?

 

If in anyway the character is reset, I'd never ever play that game, infact the world reset thing kind of bugs me anway.

 

Lol I'm at the old remains of my small village, and Falador.

[Jehosaphat]

Does the reset, reset your character? Or just the world?

 

If in anyway the character is reset, I'd never ever play that game, infact the world reset thing kind of bugs me anway.

 

Lol I'm at the old remains of my small village, and Falador.

The reset's resetting everything. Characters, locations.... everything.

 

In fact, it's the only reason I'm restarting - might actually get a chance to build a decent character and find some metal this time 'round.

[Icuownage]

Then nah, count me out.

 

I think it's a completely stupid idea for the game to reset characters, as it is pretty much, 'hey you just did all that work, but it's okay we destroy it all, right?"

 

You may argue that it allows the new players to catch up with the extremely high level players. You may be correct, but they shouldn't just outright delete the characters. So a better system would involve rewards for how far your character got, I know that kind of goes agaisnt helping to balance, but I'm aware it can take pretty much hours upon hours of work to reach anything past like level 50 (especially if it's your first level 50) and there are people who apparerntly reach 200-300+.

 

So HaH is actually one of the most time wasting games, heck I would rather play WoW, as that has a better reward system (It doesn't have one).

[The Dark Lord]

Let's all go visit Falador! ^^

 

Then nah, count me out.

 

I think it's a completely stupid idea for the game to reset characters, as it is pretty much, 'hey you just did all that work, but it's okay we destroy it all, right?"

 

You may argue that it allows the new players to catch up with the extremely high level players. You may be correct, but they shouldn't just outright delete the characters. So a better system would involve rewards for how far your character got, I know that kind of goes agaisnt helping to balance, but I'm aware it can take pretty much hours upon hours of work to reach anything past like level 50 (especially if it's your first level 50) and there are people who apparerntly reach 200-300+.

 

So HaH is actually one of the most time wasting games, heck I would rather play WoW, as that has a better reward system (It doesn't have one).

 

LP rate should be higher IMO since it's a permadeath game, but the game is also in alpha phase testing, so there will be more resets in the future. You just learn to deal with them. The fact the game is permadeath makes it less painful to think about a reset since you could die at any time anyway, for whatever reason.

 

The Heathlands are a ruthless jungle where anything goes.

 

Imagine how I feel, though. I'm gonna lose two high-statted characters in a day or two. Maybe I get to kill a few people, who knows. It isn't a fun thought. The fact that we lose Sodom in the new world is an even bigger pain because it took so much work and so many months of dedication.

[Icuownage]

See. It's a bit silly, no?

 

I always thought death functioned as you just coming back to your hearth fire with like a % of the stats you had.

 

Anyway yeah, if they removed the reset and perhaps allowed rotating or just plainly improve the graphics, I can see that game becoming extremely famous, it has really good potential.

 

But then again, Paul showed me a game called Wurm, which is basically 3D this.

[The Dark Lord]

I always thought death functioned as you just coming back to your hearth fire with like a % of the stats you had.

 

It does.

 

You gotta inherit your stats back from your ancestor by reading the runestones at respawn room... It has an inherit button.

 

Wurm's graphics are a thousand times worse, by the way. In my opinion, a game doesn't have to have 3D graphics to be good. The graphics in Haven suit its purpose quite well, although I think the UI looks like crap.

[The Dark Lord]

I'm gonna [bleep]ing miss Sodom. :(

[Earth]

Wait, did it reset?...

[Icuownage]

I just think the game is silly for resetting.

 

Perhaps get a petition so it wont happen again? Or atleast get them to tell you why they do it.

[archimage_a]

Sounds good.

 

I only had two problems with the game:

1) People could get a high level item and level faster than anyone who tried to go solo. Not inheritly bad, but the game was at a point where you had so many high levels that solo gameplay couldn't hope to compete and your only hope was to climb the greasy pole.

In many ways it was a precursor to Space...Since there is an element of forced co-operation, and at some point your gameplay options narrow to hermit or debasing oneself for the purposes of playing a game.

Former gets tiring rather quickly...especially when there is the constant threat of getting raided.

Latter is debasing, though, in the long term offers a cushy position with other people debasing themselves for your benefit...Which I fundermentally deplore and disagree with.

 

2) People kept forming their own settlements quite distantly from the main settlement...and the main settlement only had two keys.

 

 

 

The reset solves the first problem and if we work together we can solve the second problem too. :thumbsup:

[The_Mather1]

I don't think it's reset yet, I started in my punpkin patch in WE.

[Icuownage]

Mather, you should give up on any work now, it is getting reset within a day or two. As in, what you're doing now is in every sense of the word, pointless.

 

@Archi

 

I believe I was the original perseon to leave the village to start my own settlement away from you guys (I also picked a very good spot), which might have accidentally sparked other people leaving and starting their own places, but my place was always a vassal to Falador, and infact it was used a lot by you guys, I say I was actually more helpful when I moved away.