SSH or Prom Plate?

[Vezon Dash]

I'm *finally* getting into dungeoneering now, and seeing as the Night Spider population has increased, my chances of getting a Shadow Silk Hood have as well. As much as people praise the SSH, others say that it is rather gimmicky and that having a Prom/Primal Platebody is a better bind. So I am faced with the decision of whether or not to ditch my Prom Plate when I run across a Hood. Can anyone help me on this?

[Th e Doctor]

Its easy to replace a plate. Use a hood if you get one until you get good at surviving with the decreased defense, then go back to a plate if you want. With turmoil/ss flashing every hit I almost never use food except for the highest level monsters and bosses

[Kimberly]

This is just going off of second-hand knowledge from reading other topics, so it might be better to wait for Jadinkos, Quyenax, Zaaps, Leik, Octarine, or other high-performing DG'ers to post but...

 

I always thought that both items can help you survive better throughout floors, but with more experience under your belt (with pray switching/conservation, luring, kiting, whatever), prim plate will help you survive at better rates and is the "better" defensive bind.

[Sy_Accursed]

I was under the impression that with the 2 binds it's:

2h:SSH > 2h:Plate

 

Then moving too three binds:

2h:Blood:Plate > 2h:SSH:Plate > 2h:SSH:Blood

 

For the basic 2h setup anyway, obviously there are variants.

[Powerfrog]

Well with a plate you have good defense over range and melee including bosses, but once you see a mage you have to protect against magic.

 

With hood you can't be touched my range and melee, but once you see a mage YOU ARE GOING DOOOWWWWNNNN. Ahem. You'll take a lot of damage. Bosses hit you hard.

 

Plus you'll still be attacked by all the non-humanoids, which there are many.

 

I'm not a pro DGer, but I'm pretty sure those that are favor the plate.

[Quyneax]

The shorter the floor (with the same amount of rooms), the less protection a hood provides.

 

E.g. in a 10 minute floor, a hood disabled twice for one minute each, plus disabled for the boss, is disabled 30-40% of the time depending on which boss that is.

In a 20 minute floor, the same disabled time is only 15-20%. And so on.

 

For soloing guardian doors, plate is generally preferred. Simply because you will have to tank more. In a gd with 3-4 people, you can all attack a mage twice and it will be down. Solo, you will have to tank stuff much longer.

 

Overall I'd say, try plate now, when you find a hood try that, and decide based on what you like.

[ErnieLoco]

Personally, I like the hood, especially for puzzle rooms where it can sometimes save you a lot of time. If there is no mage, you often only have to kill a couple monsters to make the room "hood safe." This can be especially helpfull for rooms like emotes, etc.

 

Something else to consider is that a lot of people bind hoods. If you're the only member of your team without a hood, all the monsters will focus solely on you in non-mage rooms which means you're probably going to have to pray anyways, making your plate much less useful.

 

As has already been said on this thread, it's much easier to get a new plate than to get a new hood. So, I'd recommend binding hood and using it for a while (at least one or two full resets) and then making up your mind.

[Vezon Dash]

The shorter the floor (with the same amount of rooms), the less protection a hood provides.

 

E.g. in a 10 minute floor, a hood disabled twice for one minute each, plus disabled for the boss, is disabled 30-40% of the time depending on which boss that is.

In a 20 minute floor, the same disabled time is only 15-20%. And so on.

 

For soloing guardian doors, plate is generally preferred. Simply because you will have to tank more. In a gd with 3-4 people, you can all attack a mage twice and it will be down. Solo, you will have to tank stuff much longer.

 

Overall I'd say, try plate now, when you find a hood try that, and decide based on what you like.

 

I'm doing 45 minute floors at best right now...

[The_Fray]

The shorter the floor (with the same amount of rooms), the less protection a hood provides.

 

E.g. in a 10 minute floor, a hood disabled twice for one minute each, plus disabled for the boss, is disabled 30-40% of the time depending on which boss that is.

In a 20 minute floor, the same disabled time is only 15-20%. And so on.

 

For soloing guardian doors, plate is generally preferred. Simply because you will have to tank more. In a gd with 3-4 people, you can all attack a mage twice and it will be down. Solo, you will have to tank stuff much longer.

 

Overall I'd say, try plate now, when you find a hood try that, and decide based on what you like.

 

I'm doing 45 minute floors at best right now...

You are better off with the hood then but by no means should you go hunt for one by solo meds or whatever it is people do. Just remember that after you get more experience dging and finding better teams you will be better off with the plate.

[Hedgehog]

The general rule is plate if you path a lot. It's better when spreeing, doing puzzle rooms, and soloing gds. If you don't path/have no idea what pathing is, you'll want a hood.

 

Since you're doing 45 minute floors, you're a hood kinda guy.

[wioneo]

Litterally every single C6 small on floor 50 that i checked had a nightspider in it. It took 3 floors to find a hood, so I definately would not condemn hood hunting after the update. I'm not sure how much the floor affects rates, but I agree that you should try both and see.

 

If you're like me and use world 77 a lot, most people have hoods so being unhooded puts a target on your back and slows down mime rooms a bit.

[Hedgehog]

Spiders are most common in furns iirc

[Powerfrog]

Wioneo brings up a good point. The average noob thinks hood is best. It's sad, but true. You can be ten times better at dungeoneering than them (Which isn't difficult) but if you don't have a hood they will call you a noob and even kick you. They also often dung together (which is such a stupid idea you should be grateful to be kicked) and if you go along with it, you're going to be the big target in any hood safe room.

 

So if you dung in w77/w117 with random noobs, expect brain crushing amounts of irony, ignorance and stupidity in regards to using plate over hood. (The best solution is to... Not dung with these idiots)