Og Blog: Upcoming Changes to the EoC

[Yoko Kurama]

What a completely idiotic flip-flop on entire concept of the EOC. Also, I despise that they are reneging on the only thing that made EOC worthwhile: the reduction in monetary elitism. Though I have complained about this before, but in EOC, despite the fact that high-levels were unable to afford level 80 Nex Armours because of their expensive prices, at the very least barrows were a suitable replacement. Now, I have stated in the past, that this shouldn't be the case: Maxed players should have alternatives to being obscenely rich to get level 80 gears, but at least we had a temporary band-aide in that Barrows were relatively close.The high levels shouldn't have to settle, but at least they could. Now, they can't even settle for that, let's all go back to armour that isn't only insanely expensive, but is also increasingly becoming a necessity. That's how it will be until PoP armour is into the market(assuming it gets a nifty ability too). Just ridiculous really.

 

I *am* an elitist, but I favour elitism that is contingent upon hard-work, skills and engagement with the content, not this sort of elitism("I had 2B before, and after they announced this update, I rushed to the GE, bought more sets and now I have instantly trippled my wealth with no effort" elitism).

 

Apparently constantly causing instability in the market is apparently what they do for fun, these days.

[Leon S]

Finally, melee needed this update. It was too weak in dps

 

Hah! That made my day.

[Alg]

And all the mad poor people come out of the woodworks. It is now obvious they wanted armor to crash only so they could afford it with putting in no effort. Seriously, work at a goal and accomplish it. Don't be complacent with mid level gear.

Yeah, no. That's not even close to being factual. Come back when you actually know what you're talking about.

[Thus]

And all the mad poor people come out of the woodworks. It is now obvious they wanted armor to crash only so they could afford it with putting in no effort. Seriously, work at a goal and accomplish it. Don't be complacent with mid level gear.

Yeah, no. That's not even close to being factual. Come back when you actually know what you're talking about.

 

Well, the whole "being able to do high-level things with okay gear purely out of skill and stubbornness" thing was fun while it lasted. <_<

 

Case and point.

 

 

Finally, melee needed this update. It was too weak in dps

 

Hah! That made my day.

 

For bossing, sorry I didn't specify. PvP is dead.

[strilmus]

And all the mad poor people come out of the woodworks. It is now obvious they wanted armor to crash only so they could afford it with putting in no effort. Seriously, work at a goal and accomplish it. Don't be complacent with mid level gear.

 

People were fine with wearing barrows and gano for the rest of their lives. Glad Jagex changed that.

 

Finally, melee needed this update. It was too weak in dps and had the problem of not being able to hit from a distance, unlike range and magic. And with the number of distancing abilities they have, I am not worried about that becoming unbalanced again.

oh wow, entitlement much? work hard or not, the GWD spots still get camped by higher level players chasing the money, while anything lower than that is botted. you can't just make that go away. you're starting to sound like the guys at wall street telling everybody else to hike their bootstraps up while sitting there speculating on oil and wondering why people think there's anything wrong at all.

[Thus]

And all the mad poor people come out of the woodworks. It is now obvious they wanted armor to crash only so they could afford it with putting in no effort. Seriously, work at a goal and accomplish it. Don't be complacent with mid level gear.

 

People were fine with wearing barrows and gano for the rest of their lives. Glad Jagex changed that.

 

Finally, melee needed this update. It was too weak in dps and had the problem of not being able to hit from a distance, unlike range and magic. And with the number of distancing abilities they have, I am not worried about that becoming unbalanced again.

oh wow, entitlement much? work hard or not, the spots still get camped by higher level players. you can't just make that go away. you're starting to sound like the guys at wall street telling everybody else to hike their bootstraps up while sitting there speculating on oil.

Except I did hike my bootstraps up. Multiple times from 0gp. By using void until I pvmed/slayed a decent set and supplies, then pvmed some more. Not hard, void is free, just takes time.

 

Surprise, this game takes time to do stuff, minimal skill.

[strilmus]

void got heavily nerfed in relative defensive value and prayers aren't 100% anymore. jagex is poised to make changes so that you won't be able to compete closely with the top. it's not the same when you started.

[Alg]

Case and point.

And how is that at all a logical point? Are you trolling me or just terrible at arguing? Again, come back when you know what you're talking about.

[Thus]

void got heavily nerfed in relative defensive value and prayers aren't 100% anymore. jagex is poised to make changes so that you won't be able to compete closely with the top. it's not the same when you started.

Nex is done solely in void RIGHT NOW with 1 virtus tanker.

 

I wish people would stop thinking impending doom and use this week to try and do what they can.

 

 

Case and point.

And how is that at all a logical point? Are you trolling me or just terrible at arguing? Again, come back when you know what you're talking about.

You were just complaining you couldn't do high level things in your mid level armor because you were too stubborn to do something about it. You make your own destiny.

 

That quote was you, if you didn't realize. And my point stands, you are mad and poor and coming out of the woodworks.

[Hedgehog]

Case and point.

And how is that at all a logical point? Are you trolling me or just terrible at arguing? Again, come back when you know what you're talking about.

Not to mention that the phrase is "case in point".

[muggiwhplar]

This argument goes back to how in the "golden age" of RS, 20 hours was considered normal hard work for the best gear. Nowadays it's over 200 hours. Uhh, no thanks.

[strilmus]

void got heavily nerfed in relative defensive value and prayers aren't 100% anymore. jagex is poised to make changes so that you won't be able to compete closely with the top. it's not the same when you started.

Nex is done solely in void RIGHT NOW with 1 virtus tanker.

 

I wish people would stop thinking impending doom and use this week to try and do what they can.

I'm not even talking about me, I'm talking about everybody after this one week who doesn't make it in time, and acting like they don't exist. Past events do not justify screwing over the present or the future.

 

Also, they're going to buff all of the bosses specifically because of the example you are posting.

 

Now, I understand that you are asking people to basically "deal with it". This is fine and has to be done anyway.

 

However, what we are discussing right now is that Jagex is bonkers for very specific reasons.

 

Is it useless in the face of our overseers which cannot be dissuaded from any course of action unless they themselves come up with the reason? Perhaps.

 

The question is, are we still allowed to talk about it without people calling us petty names and coming up with reasons for our 'obvious inferiority'? You don't even seem interested in talking to anybody, and want to feel some sort of satisfaction by hurling "crymoar" from a pedestal.

[Thus]

void got heavily nerfed in relative defensive value and prayers aren't 100% anymore. jagex is poised to make changes so that you won't be able to compete closely with the top. it's not the same when you started.

Nex is done solely in void RIGHT NOW with 1 virtus tanker.

 

I wish people would stop thinking impending doom and use this week to try and do what they can.

I'm not even talking about me, I'm talking about everybody after this one week who doesn't make it in time, and acting like they don't exist. Past events do not justify screwing over the present or the future.

 

Also, they're going to buff all of the bosses specifically because of the example you are posting.

 

That is actually a really great point I haven't even considered. It seemed everyone else in this thread was talking about the people playing now and themselves. And because of that, I was only thinking about those people. You are talking about people who either just started playing or are way before that level, or even people who haven't started yet. And for that I can't argue against your point.

 

It seems most everyone complaining now is at the level where they can do something about it, or could have done something.

 

EDIT: Holy shit, made this reply based on the original post. Nice assumption with your edits.

[strilmus]

Hell, I'm set. I don't even need Nex because I put in all of the time and gold for skilling levels and will just slowly assemble my own PoP armor by hand, and even then, I already own all of the sets I need right now.

 

However, I don't think there's a lot of people in that position. Even the QBD, a satisfactory moneymaker that almost nobody can touch, pretty much requires superantifire potions in order to not become a big time eating hassle.

 

And all of this stuff about making things much harder and raising the high levels even higher and forcing people who just want dragon claws to compete with people who are in the position to pay for chaotic claws does not seem like it would be a good idea after all this groundwork we set up trying to balance the midlevels for everybody.

 

High levels should have their own stuff, and should not be meddling in the affairs of people who can't really fight back.

 

Edit: this assumption was made on your assumptions. the circle continues.

[Alg]

You were just complaining you couldn't do high level things in your mid level armor because you were too stubborn to do something about it. You make your own destiny.

 

That quote was you, if you didn't realize. And my point stands, you are mad and poor and coming out of the woodworks.

And the verdict is "Trolling". Goodbye.

[Leon S]

The new dual wield weapons are going to be pretty useless. You'll still do more damage with abilities with a chaotic maul.

[Thus]

You were just complaining you couldn't do high level things in your mid level armor because you were too stubborn to do something about it. You make your own destiny.

 

That quote was you, if you didn't realize. And my point stands, you are mad and poor and coming out of the woodworks.

And the verdict is "Trolling". Goodbye.

 

Did you or did you not literally write, post #4 on page 1:

 

Well, the whole "being able to do high-level things with okay gear purely out of skill and stubbornness" thing was fun while it lasted. <_<

[strilmus]

The new dual wield weapons are going to be pretty useless. You'll still do more damage with abilities with a chaotic maul.

first off, we don't know how drastic the rescaling will be

 

secondly, the weapons are going to be level 90, while the maul is level 80

 

thirdly, if they start rebalancing the abilities to work more with dual wielding as part of the changes to "recognize player input", this won't stay true

[Quyneax]

The new dual wield weapons are going to be pretty useless. You'll still do more damage with abilities with a chaotic maul.

first off, we don't know how drastic the rescaling will be

 

secondly, the weapons are going to be level 90, while the maul is level 80

 

thirdly, if they start rebalancing the abilities to work more with dual wielding as part of the changes to "recognize player input", this won't stay true

I'm quite sure Latin took the level difference into account >.>. The dps difference could easily be that high between dw and 2h. And the rescaling is only armour I'm pretty sure. The third point is purely hypothetical.

 

Edit: I think it's fair to restrict make a boss hard enough that some or most people can't profit from it, and requiring a few dozen hours of money grind is still reasonable compared to the massive level grind for max combat, pre-EoC especially but still in place.

[Leon S]

It's easy to figure out what the stats of the new level 90 weapons will be. They'll have the same stats as promethium weapons.

 

And the fact that a level 80 2h weapon will deal more damage than level 90 dual wield weapons just shows how unbalanced the EoC really is.

[aspeeder]

You were just complaining you couldn't do high level things in your mid level armor because you were too stubborn to do something about it. You make your own destiny.

 

That quote was you, if you didn't realize. And my point stands, you are mad and poor and coming out of the woodworks.

And the verdict is "Trolling". Goodbye.

 

Did you or did you not literally write, post #4 on page 1:

 

Well, the whole "being able to do high-level things with okay gear purely out of skill and stubbornness" thing was fun while it lasted. <_<

I do not get what your beef is about this statement. Really, I'm not trying to talk down to you or anything this seems reasonable to me. What Alg, I think, was getting at is that before pvm could be done reasonably by someone who doesn't wring every gp into nex armor and who sets every goal directed towards pvm. Personally, any armor above barrows is the first to go when I want to spend on something else, like skills. And yes, I get your argument that I'm not hiking up my virtual bootstraps, and under your logic I'm not. I am spending money on things that don't have any purpose if the only goal is to be a better bosser. But that's not everyone's goal in rs. Some people would rather spend money getting some skill cape than a torva helm. And what I, and I think a lot of others are afraid of, is making pvm too elite. This update, and the tone it sets, more steeply favors those that only think of pvm, and since the best money will stay there, anyone whose primary enjoyment doesn't derive from bossing slowly dies away, or at least becomes much less enjoyable.

[Alg]

And the fact that a level 80 2h weapon will deal more damage than level 90 dual wield weapons just shows how unbalanced the EoC really is.

I can't help but think it wouldn't be so bad if there was more of a reason to use each of the styles outside of abilities.

[strilmus]

Why would they rescale the armor and not the weapons? Are they really that crazy? It'd get to the point where level 90 weapons wouldn't be able to make a dent in level 90 armor.

[IridiumBunny]

You were just complaining you couldn't do high level things in your mid level armor because you were too stubborn to do something about it. You make your own destiny.

 

That quote was you, if you didn't realize. And my point stands, you are mad and poor and coming out of the woodworks.

And the verdict is "Trolling". Goodbye.

 

Did you or did you not literally write, post #4 on page 1:

 

Well, the whole "being able to do high-level things with okay gear purely out of skill and stubbornness" thing was fun while it lasted. <_<

 

I think you are misreading what he is saying. The 'stubbornness' Alg is talking about is using mid-level gear, and his own skill and persistence, to do higher-level content. Which everyone should be allowed to do, you should be able to use high-level content, just much much less efficiently if you are not in the right gear. This post from Jagex seems to imply new bosses will be literally impossible without Nex or higher sets.

 

You seem to be thinking he is too stubborn to work for better gear, which isn't correct.

[Sylpheed]

Why is it, (and it's been this way ever since I started in 2003) that Jagex only ever listen to player feedback when it suits their own views?

 

As much as I like Jagex and want to support them, when they refuse to listen to players and think they know what's best it just irritates me. They may program and write the code for the game, but they sure as hell don't play it recreationally as much as they need to so they can understand how retarded they can be.