Boston Marathon Murders

[sees_all1]

really what motive does chechnya have to actually bomb the U.S. U.S. and Israel are arming and funding most of their terrorist, excuse me, freedom fighters, since they are on the U.s.'s side, groups against russia.

 

They're making such a big stink about nationality and not even looking into motive.

Motive is easy, radical Islam. The older brother is a self described devout "muslim." He left the US for a year, probably got brainwashed and came back hating the U.S. enough to attack civilians. The pressure cooker bombs they used were the same ones described in Al Qaeda's Inspire magazine. The younger brother probably looked up to the older one, and went along just because.

[Omar]

Related note: The train I take to school has recently been fitted with video cameras AND audio recording devices. There's now signs that basically say "we're watching". I'll take a picture of it for you guys tomorrow because it bothers me to the point of wanting to don a Guy Fawkes mask.

I will never understand why this stuff bothers people. There's nothing to worry about unless you're committing crimes.

 

[bleep]. You.

 

Yeah, we're just gonna randomly search your house. Don't worry, there's nothing to worry about unless you're actually committing a crime.

 

You look funny. We're taking you down to the station and searching you. Don't worry, unless there's nothing to worry about unless you actually commit a crime.

 

Following your logic, that's also acceptable.

 

"Any society willing to give up a little liberty for a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

 

I like this quote too.

 

Now, granted, providing studies there are studies that show that video cameras prevent crime, I'm ok with cameras. Although, it does make me wonder - are there studies on how effective video cameras are at crime prevention, and if so, what do they say?

Putting cameras in public places does not impede on your rights or liberties. Every store in the world has security cameras but people hardly notice those. What makes this any different?

Store owners have property rights on their store, so they do whatever they want with it. The state has no such rights--all its property is taxed, i.e. stolen or taken under threat of imprisonment.

[stevepole]

Friend told me that a CNN reported apparently said that "If the bombers were Irish, we would think they were part of the IRA"

Absolute disgraceful stereotype that all Irish people would be members of the IRA

 

CNN's coverage has been embarrassing and most of the time entirely wrong in the past couple of days.

 

e - to clarify, CNN-US

 

I'm a little late, but I found the best coverage was the Boston Globe's twitter account, and ABC's AM radio station second. Cable news channels were horrible throughout the entire event today.

[Tim]

Que the conspiracy theories....

That's all I've seen on Facebook. When 4chan posted a "caught him" pic a few hours ago, about an odd 70% comments were long, dreary moron neckbeards, who assume the entire thing is a HUGE conspiracy and that they're monitoring, its plan for something bigger etc etc etc.

 

I'm just glad they caught him alive (although barely) so they can question him, one theory I've heard so far is him and his brother were followers of Sheik Feiz Mohammad. (He's an Islamic nutjob here in Aus who basically started a clut in Sydney, similar to the WBC but on a bigger and more quiet scale)

[RpgGamer]

I smell a scapegoat. But I suppose I should lay off the conspiracy theories until a bit more is factually covered well.

 

Also, any "study" can be skewed to fit whatever the funding company says it wants to say. That's why there's still studies that pop up every here and there that claim smoking isn't actually all that harmful. So any "study" can be forged pretty well.

 

ya'll may find this entertaining:

http://imgur.com/gallery/mAhSX

[Sir_Squab]

Related note: The train I take to school has recently been fitted with video cameras AND audio recording devices. There's now signs that basically say "we're watching". I'll take a picture of it for you guys tomorrow because it bothers me to the point of wanting to don a Guy Fawkes mask.

I will never understand why this stuff bothers people. There's nothing to worry about unless you're committing crimes.

 

[bleep]. You.

 

Yeah, we're just gonna randomly search your house. Don't worry, there's nothing to worry about unless you're actually committing a crime.

 

You look funny. We're taking you down to the station and searching you. Don't worry, unless there's nothing to worry about unless you actually commit a crime.

 

Following your logic, that's also acceptable.

 

"Any society willing to give up a little liberty for a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

 

I like this quote too.

 

Now, granted, providing studies there are studies that show that video cameras prevent crime, I'm ok with cameras. Although, it does make me wonder - are there studies on how effective video cameras are at crime prevention, and if so, what do they say?

We're talking strictly about camera survailence. Again, one idea doesn't apply to all. Not worrying because you did nothing wrong would wonderfully apply to cameras. It does not apply well to random (racially motivated) random searches (which waste time to the detainee).

 

They're different things so please don't take the justification for one specific security method and apply it to all security methods.

 

Correction. You're talking strictly about camera surveillance. I'm talking about the phrase "There's nothing to worry about unless you're committing crimes." I'm talking about the attitude that says invasion of privacy is ok because if you're doing nothing wrong, you don't have a problem with us looking.

 

I could easily see a person making a rational, well thought out post explaining why the video surveillance on the train isn't a bad thing. Hell, I could write most of it myself. But you see, that's never what I was actually talking about.

[sees_all1]

Two punks with bombs shutdown a city for a couple days. I'd say the terrorists won, until I saw this:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2013/04/19/cops-request-dunkin-donuts-stays-open/G1bOARVwHkqlf0pLmSYtPM/story.html

 

Dunkin Donuts, America's last bastion of freedom.

[Estonian dude]

Is there anything more American then donuts and overweight cops?

For the rest of the world, they are doughnuts and slim and muscular cops :)

 

Anyways, heard the 2 guys from Chechnya were caught and are tried. Good that they were caught so fast.

And I don't support cams on public transport aswell. In public places, yeah, be my guest, but on a busride or a train ride home, I'd like to sleep and mind my own business. There are enough other people around to stop anything serious from happening and yet I don't feel like being watched, which cameras make me feel. I cannot sleep under cameras.

[muggiwhplar]

Two punks with bombs shutdown a city for a couple days. I'd say the terrorists won, until I saw this:

http://www.bostonglo...YtPM/story.html

 

Dunkin Donuts, America's last bastion of freedom.

 

Donuts: is there anything they can't do?

 

(if you got the reference, you get a gold star!)

[Omar]

1) A dude was decapitated on a Greyhound bus here not so long ago.

2) You could just leave a bomb in a train, you know...

3) Notice the word "public" in "public transportation"?

[champion]

Is there anything more American then donuts and overweight cops?

For the rest of the world, they are doughnuts and slim and muscular cops :)

 

Hahaha because fat americans amirite?!?!?!?!?

[nine naked men]

we don't have fat people in the people's glorious democratic kingdom of eastonia

[obfuscator]

I'm so happy I ignored saq, can you guys stop quoting him please? ty

[nine naked men]

Is there anything more American then donuts and overweight cops?

For the rest of the world, they are doughnuts and slim and muscular cops :)

 

Anyways, heard the 2 guys from Chechnya were caught and are tried. Good that they were caught so fast.

And I don't support cams on public transport aswell. In public places, yeah, be my guest, but on a busride or a train ride home, I'd like to sleep and mind my own business. There are enough other people around to stop anything serious from happening and yet I don't feel like being watched, which cameras make me feel. I cannot sleep under cameras.

[Randox]

Is there anything more American then donuts and overweight cops?

For the rest of the world, they are doughnuts and slim and muscular cops :)

 

...

 

Apparently Canada because we have Tim Hortons and they don't :lol:

 

Also, about not worrying if your not committing a crime, its a lot more fun for everyone if you actually take the comment in context, because you'll actually get different viewpoints. Unless you love of the grid in the middle of absolutely no where, and never interact with the rest of the world, you are probably not going to find anyone who is for having SWAT randomly storm their house just in case. And if you do live totally off the grid in the middle of no where, then you don't have an internet connection and aren't posting here.

 

As for me, I don't mind. Aside from having preventative qualities, it seems like a really easy way to help the police catch people. The only exceptions are that I disagree with red light cameras on the grounds that they exist for the sole purpose of making people slam on the breaks (as in, they cause accidents), and pad the police budget. I'm also not going to support cameras that have a view of you while using the bathroom. Finally, I am not going to support cameras that can see beyond the visible spectrum that have a view of private property (such as thermal imaging cameras) on the grounds that humans are using to thinking in terms of visible light, and are likely to focus any attention to their expectation of privacy as such (you would for example, need special curtains to block a thermal camera in some cases). This also extends to technology such as Van Eck phreaking in public surveillance tools. That's the sort of stuff that needs to have a warrant.

[RpgGamer]

Is there anything more American then donuts and overweight cops?

For the rest of the world, they are doughnuts and slim and muscular cops :)

 

Hahaha because fat americans amirite?!?!?!?!?

 

it's funny cause he lives in Estonia.

 

 

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As for me, I don't mind. Aside from having preventative qualities, it seems like a really easy way to help the police catch people. The only exceptions are that I disagree with red light cameras on the grounds that they exist for the sole purpose of making people slam on the breaks (as in, they cause accidents), and pad the police budget.

 

This is actually why I'm losing my license. Bastards didn't even see me they saw what the road sensor told them to see. I miss when cops had to earn the tickets they cited.

[Randox]

Red light cameras suck, and I plan on never moving anyplace that uses them, or traffic cameras in general, because I like driving on roads where everyone, including the police, feel free to add 5-10 to the limit at their own discretion, 15 on the highways between 4 and 7 am. I don't think I have ever seen our police (specifically the RCMP, not the city police) drive the limit.

[stevepole]

I think it was my freshmen year of college they installed a bunch of new red light cameras in the Phoenix metropolitan area, but by the time they got them installed they couldn't afford to operate them due to budget cuts, so the majority of them were turned off half the time.

[Sir_Squab]

1) A dude was decapitated on a Greyhound bus here not so long ago.

2) You could just leave a bomb in a train, you know...

3) Notice the word "public" in "public transportation"?

 

K, first off, I high doubt bus cameras would have helped in any way for the bus decapitation. He was seen by plenty of people, and to my knowledge there was never any doubt about at all, in the slightest, about who did it.

 

Second example. Seems helpful here. At worst it's a minor obstacle for the bomber to overcome, at best it identifies the bomber.

 

Third. You have a very good point here lol. Supporting cams in public places but not on public transport? Lol.

[sees_all1]

[hide=Caution, language]http://www.mrctv.org/videos/maher-guest-defending-islam-wake-boston-bombing-thats-lberal-bulls-t[/hide]

 

Even a broken clock can be right twice a day.

 

 

I'm kind of surprised at the hash tag #FreeJahar on twitter; those saying this guy was a patsy and the US Government was behind all of it. There is plenty of video footage of this guy placing his backpack down, then 15 seconds later the thing blowing up. You also have a guy that assassinated a police officer, stole a car and then had a nice long shoot out with police. Even if he didn't plant the bomb, the later actions are not those of an innocent man.

[Ginger_Warrior]

I don't think he has a leg to stand on and I don't sympathise with claims that he was set-up. I also know he does not represent the values of a vast majority of Muslims.

 

That isn't "liberal bullshit". That's 20 years of experience living in a community where around half of the population were Muslim. I know it has its problems, as does any religion, but making some kind of logical somersault and stating that Jahar is an example of how Muslims around the world want to kill non-believers, or anyone who has anything bad to say about the prophet Muhammad is tenuous and blown out of all proportions. I suppose next you'll suggest all Catholics are murderous and dangerous because of the IRA, or paedophilic because of a minority of its clergy.

[Omar]

1) A dude was decapitated on a Greyhound bus here not so long ago.

2) You could just leave a bomb in a train, you know...

3) Notice the word "public" in "public transportation"?

 

K, first off, I high doubt bus cameras would have helped in any way for the bus decapitation. He was seen by plenty of people, and to my knowledge there was never any doubt about at all, in the slightest, about who did it.

 

Second example. Seems helpful here. At worst it's a minor obstacle for the bomber to overcome, at best it identifies the bomber.

 

Third. You have a very good point here lol. Supporting cams in public places but not on public transport? Lol.

I just mentioned the decapitation because it's pretty serious and people being around didn't stop it as he claimed they would. This goes back to his points on the gun control debate--it doesn't take 45 minutes for one person to do serious damage to someone else when they have a weapon.

In the second point, I do admit I'm unsure whether the camera could ever survive the bombing.

[Randox]

I don't think people having a psychotic break are the best example of who deterrents work on. Chances are someone who was as far out it as he was wouldn't have backed down from a tank.

 

As for a camera, it would probably be fine. Flash memory is a lot tougher than a human, and as the windows blow out, all the pressure would be able to escape. The bus itself wouldn't take that much damage past the immedaite point of detonation, and barring being hit by shrapnel, the camera might even still work. If you're trying to kill people, the bomb will be at least a third of the bus back, so the camera is not that close as far as metal and silicon are concerned I think.

[sees_all1]

I don't think he has a leg to stand on and I don't sympathise with claims that he was set-up. I also know he does not represent the values of a vast majority of Muslims.

 

That isn't "liberal bullshit". That's 20 years of experience living in a community where around half of the population were Muslim. I know it has its problems, as does any religion, but making some kind of logical somersault and stating that Jahar is an example of how Muslims around the world want to kill non-believers, or anyone who has anything bad to say about the prophet Muhammad is tenuous and blown out of all proportions. I suppose next you'll suggest all Catholics are murderous and dangerous because of the IRA, or paedophilic because of a minority of its clergy.

Maher's point wasn't that all Muslims share that same world view, his point was that Islam is the religion that has a monopoly on violence.

When Piss Christ debuted, you didn't have Christians attempting to assassinate the artist, burn down the gallery, or even riot in the street and kill atheists.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/328747/piss-christ-causes-bloody-riots-manhattan-charles-c-w-cooke

 

When Jyllands-Posten published the cartoons of the prophet, there was large scale rioting and attacks on Christians and Danish people everywhere in the middle east, and eventually the attempted assassination of one of the artists.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Westergaard

[Omar]

I don't think people having a psychotic break are the best example of who deterrents work on. Chances are someone who was as far out it as he was wouldn't have backed down from a tank.

I wasn't saying a camera would have deterred him, just that people around him wouldn't have (and didn't).