Do YOU believe in God?

[the_blob23]

And Mary was from the tribe of Levi. David and Joseph were both from the tribe of Judah, I believe.

[Godzira]

Evidently in magic bible land, animals could talk:

 

 

 

Numbers 22:21-30 (King James Version)

 

30

 

And the [wagon] said unto Balaam, Am not I thine [wagon], upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? and he said, Nay.

[logic-is-overrated]

Another apparent contradiction is the fact that Jesus is not of David's bloodline. The Bible says that the messiah will be from the bloodline of David, but Jesus was born to a virgin.

 

 

 

Of course Mary didn't have ancestors.

Where does the Bible describe Mary's genealogy? The genealogy of Jesus in Matthew and the one in Luke both give his heritage through Joseph. Those are the only two that I know of.

 

 

 

Actually, the claim that Marry was a virgin is not correct. The bible never claims that she is a virgin. The problem is that people in modern times have confused ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬Åimmaculate conception ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ conception without intercourseÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[Godzira]

Notice that it said ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬Å'almah was the most accurate and precise term for virgin used in the Old Testament.ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[insane]

Another apparent contradiction is the fact that Jesus is not of David's bloodline. The Bible says that the messiah will be from the bloodline of David, but Jesus was born to a virgin.

 

 

 

Of course Mary didn't have ancestors.

Where does the Bible describe Mary's genealogy? The genealogy of Jesus in Matthew and the one in Luke both give his heritage through Joseph. Those are the only two that I know of.

 

 

 

I wasn't making a claim that Mary came from David. I just said that it was possible.

[havesometea1]

I'm a christian, and of course I believe in God. He created everything.

 

If you're bad....you go to hell.....

 

 

 

 

 

Ug...you people are scary.

[havesometea1]

Romans were not atheist. They killed Christians because Christians threatened their religion. My argument is against religion not just Christianity. It just so happen that the people I am debating are Christian so I am using Christian examples and critiques. Ironic though that after the Romans became Christian they started throwing the Jews and other non-Christians to the lions.

 

 

 

DonÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t forget that those Romans that you criticize are the ones that compiled the bible you cherish.

 

 

 

 

Well first of all Your right Romans were not athiest they belive in false gods for things much like the Greeks. Second the Romans didi not compile the Bible. It was moslty compiled by The followers of Jesus (Matthew,Mark,Luke,John) not by Romans. The only Roman i can think of is Paul.

 

 

 

They believed in false gods? How so?

 

 

 

They were polythiestic, aren't most of the planets named after one of their gods?

 

 

 

Being polytheistic makes your gods false?

[havesometea1]

pretty ironic some dudes walk like behind some dude who got betrayed by his follower... or if these new documents are real then he asked one of his friends to betray him :?

 

 

 

a: i aint trusting a relegion whos big boss got backstabbed

 

 

 

b: i aint trusting a relegion where friends ask u to betray them so they get killed and u feel bad

 

 

 

im talking about judas...

 

 

 

You think those illogical bits are good? Check this out.

 

 

 

2CH 21:20, 22:1-2 Ahaziah was forty-two when he became king by succeeding his father. His father who died at the age of forty. So, Ahaziah was somehow two years older than his father.

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmmmm.

 

 

 

It is quite possible his father died at the age of 40, Ahaziah may have been twenty at the time, but didn't get to assume the crown until he was 42.

[havesometea1]

Evidently in magic bible land, animals could talk:

 

 

 

Numbers 22:21-30 (King James Version)

 

30

 

And the wagon said unto Balaam, Am not I thine wagon, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? and he said, Nay.

 

 

 

There are different interpretations of that quote...but they essentually say the same thing.

 

 

 

This is one of my favorites. (on edit: this is a different part of the bible...I re-read my comment and realized it was not clear what I meant here)

 

 

 

 

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2034:13-29&version=9;

 

 

 

 

 

Genesis 34:13-29 (King James Version)

 

King James Version (KJV)

 

 

 

Public Domain

 

A Public Domain Bible KJV at Zondervan Zondervan

 

 

 

13And the sons of Jacob answered Shechem and Hamor his father deceitfully, and said, because he had defiled Dinah their sister:

 

 

 

14And they said unto them, We cannot do this thing, to give our sister to one that is uncircumcised; for that were a reproach unto us:

 

 

 

15But in this will we consent unto you: If ye will be as we be, that every male of you be circumcised;

 

 

 

16Then will we give our daughters unto you, and we will take your daughters to us, and we will dwell with you, and we will become one people.

 

 

 

17But if ye will not hearken unto us, to be circumcised; then will we take our daughter, and we will be gone.

 

 

 

18And their words pleased Hamor, and Shechem Hamor's son.

 

 

 

19And the young man deferred not to do the thing, because he had delight in Jacob's daughter: and he was more honourable than all the house of his father.

 

 

 

20And Hamor and Shechem his son came unto the gate of their city, and communed with the men of their city, saying,

 

 

 

21These men are peaceable with us; therefore let them dwell in the land, and trade therein; for the land, behold, it is large enough for them; let us take their daughters to us for wives, and let us give them our daughters.

 

 

 

22Only herein will the men consent unto us for to dwell with us, to be one people, if every male among us be circumcised, as they are circumcised.

 

 

 

23Shall not their cattle and their substance and every beast of their's be our's? only let us consent unto them, and they will dwell with us.

 

 

 

24And unto Hamor and unto Shechem his son hearkened all that went out of the gate of his city; and every male was circumcised, all that went out of the gate of his city.

 

 

 

25And it came to pass on the third day, when they were sore, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brethren, took each man his sword, and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males.

 

 

 

26And they slew Hamor and Shechem his son with the edge of the sword, and took Dinah out of Shechem's house, and went out.

 

 

 

27The sons of Jacob came upon the slain, and spoiled the city, because they had defiled their sister.

 

 

 

28They took their sheep, and their oxen, and their [wagon], and that which was in the city, and that which was in the field,

 

 

 

29And all their wealth, and all their little ones, and their wives took they captive, and spoiled even all that was in the house.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So these followers of Jesus kill everyone, spoil everything, take the women, the children and all the wealth...because they were pissed off about what happened to their daughter/sister.

 

 

 

Wow.

[pianofrieak2]

Actually, havesome, they were Israelites. Not followers of Jesus since Jesus didn't exist at that time.

[bjbj1991]

They believed in false gods? How so?

 

 

 

They were polythiestic, aren't most of the planets named after one of their gods?

 

If atheism is nolonger considerd a valid option when declaring religion, I would chouse polythiestic.

 

 

 

Gravity - Everything that goes up, must come down.

 

Magnetism - Likes repel, opsites atract.

 

Weak force - Everything breaks down.

 

Strong force - the supper-glue and duct-tape of the Universe.

[havesometea1]

Actually, havesome, they were Israelites. Not followers of Jesus since Jesus didn't exist at that time.

 

 

 

Ah, I stand corrected. That being said though the followers of Jesus do have this in their bible. Seems an oddly barbaric thing to leave in.

[pianofrieak2]

Actually, havesome, they were Israelites. Not followers of Jesus since Jesus didn't exist at that time.

 

 

 

Ah, I stand corrected. That being said though the followers of Jesus do have this in their bible. Seems an oddly barbaric thing to leave in.

 

 

 

Not really. I've seen weirder things, like angels coming down and making children with human women. They made a super-race, but it was wiped out in the flood.

 

 

 

Or the fact that God told the Israelites to completely wipe out other nations, killing everything from the city and later burning it.

[Godzira]

Actually, havesome, they were Israelites. Not followers of Jesus since Jesus didn't exist at that time.

 

 

 

Ah, I stand corrected. That being said though the followers of Jesus do have this in their bible. Seems an oddly barbaric thing to leave in.

 

 

 

Not really. I've seen weirder things, like angels coming down and making children with human women. They made a super-race, but it was wiped out in the flood.

 

 

 

Or the fact that God told the Israelites to completely wipe out other nations, killing everything from the city and later burning it.

 

 

 

Perhaps that is the root of christian expansionism?

[darkstar4441]

"Behold, i am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beggining and the End. Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. I, Jesus have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning star." Revelation 22:12-16. I belive that on the Day of Judgement, all the questions will be answered, and all will see the truth.

[Godzira]

"Behold, i am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beggining and the End. Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. I, Jesus have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning star." Revelation 22:12-16. I belive that on the Day of Judgement, all the questions will be answered, and all will see the truth.

 

 

 

Ya, that was helpful. :roll:

[pianofrieak2]

Actually, havesome, they were Israelites. Not followers of Jesus since Jesus didn't exist at that time.

 

 

 

Ah, I stand corrected. That being said though the followers of Jesus do have this in their bible. Seems an oddly barbaric thing to leave in.

 

 

 

Not really. I've seen weirder things, like angels coming down and making children with human women. They made a super-race, but it was wiped out in the flood.

 

 

 

Or the fact that God told the Israelites to completely wipe out other nations, killing everything from the city and later burning it.

 

 

 

Perhaps that is the root of christian expansionism?

 

 

 

Lol, no that's another religion but I'm not going to name it. Actually, if that were the case, then all nations would be "Christian"...or at the very least "Judaism." Instead, look at the size of Israel.

 

 

 

My point exactly.

 

 

 

Actually, the cause for the growth of Christianity is a changed heart. As well as true joy, a peace that surpasses all understanding, and an overflowing love for others. (see the Early Church)

[Godzira]

Perhaps, if that were truly the case I would have a different view of christianity. However I think the expansion has a lot more to do with active recruitment.

[Vairaox]

I can understand the big bang theory and I understand evolution, but I believe a god created this universe. I'm not a very religious person, but I am a christian and I love god. There isn't any scientific proof and there shouldn't be. It's best that we don't know. It's good to have a diversity of religions. It's just a belief and it cannot be scientifically proven. It all depends on your religion. I think something had to create the universe, it's so amazing and diverse. You might think, "If there is a god, why are there so many problems in the world?"

 

 

 

Well, everything happens for a reason. Either good or bad, it's going to happen. Nothing is perfect. If everything was perfect this would would be a mess, believe it or not. Anything sucessfull is a series of mistakes.

[the_blob23]

 

 

 

Lol, no that's another religion but I'm not going to name it. Actually, if that were the case, then all nations would be "Christian"...or at the very least "Judaism." Instead, look at the size of Israel.

 

 

 

I don't think my Muslim friends would find the above statement that funny. Look, everyone knows you're talking about Islam. There is absolutely no need to associate the acts of a few fanatics with an entire religion. Just because there have been Christian terrorists (ie Timothy McVeigh) doesn't mean people assume that Christianity is a violent religion. They rightly examine the entire religion and its teachings in context. I think it's foolish and ignorant to stereotype Muslims as being inherently violent and expansionist. As someone who has been to the Middle East, I can say that the vast majority of Muslims suffer from the acts committed by a few delusional people. Also, I question your historical scholarship. Islam spread quickly from its source on the Arabian peninsula primarly because of the incredible commercial links between Africa and Asia Minor. Military conquest had much less to do with the expansion of Islam than many people think. It was the merchants of the Middle East who did the grunt work.

 

 

 

Also to address the second part of your argument, Christianity could not have, and did not conquer areas outside of Europe due to military force. The crusades were a staggering military failure. It was only with the expansion of colonialism and the militarization of European societies through nationalism that Christianity began to gain a significant foothold outside of Europe. Israel is small because the territory that it started off with in 1948 was small. Even the establishment of such a small country caused great upheaval in the Middle East.

 

 

 

 

Actually, the cause for the growth of Christianity is a changed heart. As well as true joy, a peace that surpasses all understanding, and an overflowing love for others.

 

 

 

Religiously, and for you, that may be the case. But it was colonialism that spread Christianity more quickly than anything before or since. In the 21st century, demographic trends indicate that Christianity is on the decline, and may continue to decline, despite its strong presence in many areas of the world.

[Omnislash42]

I believe in God, I just hope He believes in me.

[MyPurpleCrayon]

Ya, that was helpful. :roll:

 

 

 

Are you KIDDING me?

 

Give him a break. Not everyone wants to argue with your pathetic self.

[Godzira]

Maybe not, and there are plenty of people on here including several poster this page that have come on and said ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅI love god ectÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[MyPurpleCrayon]

Maybe not, and there are plenty of people on here including several poster this page that have come on and said ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅI love god ectÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[logic-is-overrated]

^^To MPC: I just read your post asking why atheists argue/debate^^ It's a little late, but the reason I debate is to know the truth. I want to clarify what I believe to be true and correct my thinking where ever it is wrong. My goal is actually not to trample other people's beliefs, although it might seem like it at times. If I believe one thing and somebody else believes I'm wrong, then one of us is not seeing the truth. My goal is to find it.