Heh, I'm actually fine with the new laws. I stopped drinking as much soda as I used to (which is a great thing) and it doesn't affect my appetite at all. Either way, if you really wanted to, you could always walk off campus and get a soda/cookie/chips at the store across the street.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Remember, the greasy pizza earns the school money. Hidden motive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's probably not an option for most highschool students unless their high school allows them to leave for lunch =\

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're not allowed to leave? Uh oh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At university I end up going to McDonald's to eat, because it's $4 for any meal if you have a student card - it's either that, or Tim Horton's, which is $8 for a filling meal, or the Cafeteria, which is $10 for a filling meal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is only once a week though.

Now excuse me, but I don't need a government or school to tell me how to eat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's exactly it though, Nad, us level headed folks don't. But some people really do need help on how to eat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Schools are doing this not for the benefit of the kids, let's not be naive. They're doing it out of fear of the compensation, suing culture we have upon us now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Taking out these machines and food doesn't help at all. It just means that kids are more likely to over indulge in their own time to make up for what they haven't got. If by stopping the source of food kids are meant to be re-educated onto how to eat healthily...well...I just laugh at anyone who can possibly think that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Schools need programmes and lesson time, like in P.S.E lessons or of the sort, to be taught how they should maintain a healthy diet. While some schemes exist, there are simply no whear near enough of them. Actions like this one Nadril mentioned are futile.

 

 

 

Link: http://www.theeagle.com/stories/022706/ ... 227024.php

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I read that story, and i have a slight disagreeance with it. Students should be able to eat one or two dessert food a week. But his parents restricted all desserts. Therein lies the problem. Some dessert foods, albeit loaded with sugar, are actually good for you. Maybe a portion of grapes for dessert, or a bar of chocolate (yes it is healthy believe it or not), or a strawberry or three. But no desserts at all? Cmon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The college here also does a sort of program like that. Parents load up X amount of money onto a card and their children can spend it on food that they want. Not exactly the same, but i feel that if your older, you can be able to make healthy and choose wise decisions for yourself.

Now excuse me, but I don't need a government or school to tell me how to eat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They aren't telling you how to eat, they are just not advocating bad health. I assume you can still bring your own junk food from home, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They are attempting to past state-wide laws where I live and recently stopped selling the "unhealthy" Gatorade. :P I don't know if I care either way. (I do miss the Chik-fil-a they use to sell <- and last time I checked, Chik-fil-a is fairly healthy. Maybe not.)

Finally Bush does something good. Now the only thing he should do is give that 'lost' food to African children :wink:

 

Now excuse me, but I don't need a government or school to tell me how to eat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They aren't telling you how to eat, they are just not advocating bad health. I assume you can still bring your own junk food from home, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They are attempting to past state-wide laws where I live and recently stopped selling the "unhealthy" Gatorade. :P I don't know if I care either way. (I do miss the Chik-fil-a they use to sell <- and last time I checked, Chik-fil-a is fairly healthy. Maybe not.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

at my boys primary school, those who bring in sandwiches are not allowed to bring anything unhealthy in from home.yet those who eat school dinners are allowed sugar ridden puddings

 

 

 

in fact the headteacher pulled my 11 year old up in from of the whole school in assemerly for bringing into school a packet of crisps :evil:

 

 

Now excuse me, but I don't need a government or school to tell me how to eat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They aren't telling you how to eat, they are just not advocating bad health. I assume you can still bring your own junk food from home, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They are attempting to past state-wide laws where I live and recently stopped selling the "unhealthy" Gatorade. :P I don't know if I care either way. (I do miss the Chik-fil-a they use to sell <- and last time I checked, Chik-fil-a is fairly healthy. Maybe not.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

at my boys primary school, those who bring in sandwiches are not allowed to bring anything unhealthy in from home.yet those who eat school dinners are allowed sugar ridden puddings

 

 

 

in fact the headteacher pulled my 11 year old up in from of the whole school in assemerly for bringing into school a packet of crisps :evil:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and yet knowing this u gave him a packet of crisps, how could u :(

 

Now excuse me, but I don't need a government or school to tell me how to eat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's exactly it though, Nad, us level headed folks don't. But some people really do need help on how to eat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Schools are doing this not for the benefit of the kids, let's not be naive. They're doing it out of fear of the compensation, suing culture we have upon us now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Taking out these machines and food doesn't help at all. It just means that kids are more likely to over indulge in their own time to make up for what they haven't got. If by stopping the source of food kids are meant to be re-educated onto how to eat healthily...well...I just laugh at anyone who can possibly think that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Schools need programmes and lesson time, like in P.S.E lessons or of the sort, to be taught how they should maintain a healthy diet. While some schemes exist, there are simply no whear near enough of them. Actions like this one Nadril mentioned are futile.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, it realy doesn't help.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As far as bring stuff from home, i'm not sure, but generaly I would get a think of ice cream with my meal (you know, have a sandwich drink and a thing of ice cream) , and I deffinitly can't bring ice cream from home. :P .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus it's usualy a pain to bring your lunch. We have to keep our backpacks in our lockers, so i'd have to carry around a sack for a few periods before I got it to lunch. but then we have a no food in the classroom rule >_>.

the reason he was allowed was cuz he'd had grapes and something else healthy wise, so i knew he'd had ok food already. i make sure my kids eat a lil bit of everything, i don't see why i should restrict them when i know they get 5 fruit/veg a day, and plenty of the good stuff too

 

 

Now excuse me, but I don't need a government or school to tell me how to eat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They aren't telling you how to eat, they are just not advocating bad health. I assume you can still bring your own junk food from home, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They are attempting to past state-wide laws where I live and recently stopped selling the "unhealthy" Gatorade. :P I don't know if I care either way. (I do miss the Chik-fil-a they use to sell <- and last time I checked, Chik-fil-a is fairly healthy. Maybe not.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

at my boys primary school, those who bring in sandwiches are not allowed to bring anything unhealthy in from home.yet those who eat school dinners are allowed sugar ridden puddings

 

 

 

in fact the headteacher pulled my 11 year old up in from of the whole school in assemerly for bringing into school a packet of crisps :evil:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That doesn't make any sense :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But also, is this school run by the government or is it private?

 

 

Now excuse me, but I don't need a government or school to tell me how to eat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They aren't telling you how to eat, they are just not advocating bad health. I assume you can still bring your own junk food from home, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They are attempting to past state-wide laws where I live and recently stopped selling the "unhealthy" Gatorade. :P I don't know if I care either way. (I do miss the Chik-fil-a they use to sell <- and last time I checked, Chik-fil-a is fairly healthy. Maybe not.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

at my boys primary school, those who bring in sandwiches are not allowed to bring anything unhealthy in from home.yet those who eat school dinners are allowed sugar ridden puddings

 

 

 

in fact the headteacher pulled my 11 year old up in from of the whole school in assemerly for bringing into school a packet of crisps :evil:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now that's just going too far. I know I would never put up with something like that when I have children.

last year i was a senior in high school and they tried to tell us that we couldn't bring in soda like halfway through the year

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so in response i brought a 2 liter bottle of soda in everyday and drank it throughout the day for the rest of the year and they pretty much gave up on it because no way were they telling me what i could or couldn't drink (besides the obvious like alcohol) and when people saw me doing it, it turned into "well he can drink soda so can i"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

towards the end of the year i had a dentist appointment and the teachers joked about how i was going to need to have my teeth pulled because they were all going to rot out

 

 

 

the dentists response was something like "you're teeth look perfect to me, nice to see you aren't one of those kids that drinks soda and eats candy everyday" :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

everyone at school got a good laugh from that one

They got rid of our soda and snack machines at the beginning of the school year. After ALOT of complaints, they put the soda machines back in, and even installed a new "healthy drink" machine with juice, milk, and water in it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We've yet to see our snack machine back though... >.>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They also got rid of the cookies the Home Economics class used to sell everyday before third hour... Those were the greatest cookies I'd ever tasted and I miss them. :cry:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I very very much disagree with the government wanting to "intervene" and tell us how to eat. If I want to be fat, then I'll be fat! I'm not some stupid idiot who doesn't know the consequences of eating fatty foods, and with all the media emphasis on "being thin and beautiful", everyone is aware of the affects of eating too much. Prohibiting us from eating certain things... That's like... a dictatorship. They also started doing a BMI (Body Mass Index) test at my school. That's where they measure your height, and weight, and compare them to your age, then they tell you (on your report card, mind you) whether or not you're overweight. When they did that test this year, I simply flat out refused to do it. When they called us out to do it, I wrote on a piece of paper, "I refuse to allow the government to tell me whether or not I'm fat." Then, I signed it, gave it to one of the people conducting the test and walked back to class. Those kinds of things enrage me. I can take care of my own body, without the help of state law.

They got rid of our soda and snack machines at the beginning of the school year. After ALOT of complaints, they put the soda machines back in, and even installed a new "healthy drink" machine with juice, milk, and water in it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We've yet to see our snack machine back though... >.>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They also got rid of the cookies the Home Economics class used to sell everyday before third hour... Those were the greatest cookies I'd ever tasted and I miss them. :cry:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I very very much disagree with the government wanting to "intervene" and tell us how to eat. If I want to be fat, then I'll be fat! I'm not some stupid idiot who doesn't know the consequences of eating fatty foods, and with all the media emphasis on "being thin and beautiful", everyone is aware of the affects of eating too much. Prohibiting us from eating certain things... That's like... a dictatorship. They also started doing a BMI (Body Mass Index) test at my school. That's where they measure your height, and weight, and compare them to your age, then they tell you (on your report card, mind you) whether or not you're overweight. When they did that test this year, I simply flat out refused to do it. When they called us out to do it, I wrote on a piece of paper, "I refuse to allow the government to tell me whether or not I'm fat." Then, I signed it, gave it to one of the people conducting the test and walked back to class. Those kinds of things enrage me. I can take care of my own body, without the help of state law.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Way to ruin it for the fat people! I bet they'll see that blank and then there will be more "bigger" people out there that they feel the need to "check up on".

 

They got rid of our soda and snack machines at the beginning of the school year. After ALOT of complaints, they put the soda machines back in, and even installed a new "healthy drink" machine with juice, milk, and water in it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We've yet to see our snack machine back though... >.>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They also got rid of the cookies the Home Economics class used to sell everyday before third hour... Those were the greatest cookies I'd ever tasted and I miss them. :cry:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I very very much disagree with the government wanting to "intervene" and tell us how to eat. If I want to be fat, then I'll be fat! I'm not some stupid idiot who doesn't know the consequences of eating fatty foods, and with all the media emphasis on "being thin and beautiful", everyone is aware of the affects of eating too much. Prohibiting us from eating certain things... That's like... a dictatorship. They also started doing a BMI (Body Mass Index) test at my school. That's where they measure your height, and weight, and compare them to your age, then they tell you (on your report card, mind you) whether or not you're overweight. When they did that test this year, I simply flat out refused to do it. When they called us out to do it, I wrote on a piece of paper, "I refuse to allow the government to tell me whether or not I'm fat." Then, I signed it, gave it to one of the people conducting the test and walked back to class. Those kinds of things enrage me. I can take care of my own body, without the help of state law.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Way to ruin it for the fat people! I bet they'll see that blank and then there will be more "bigger" people out there that they feel the need to "check up on".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Meh. I doubt it. My school has just about done all to ignore these laws anyway. They're already saying that you can refuse to do the test next year. :wink:

They treat minors (18-) like if we have no rights or chocies. I think this country should lay off that people 13-18 are smart enough to choose their foods. It's the kids' fault, since HE WAS THE ONE WHO BOUGHT THE FLIPPIN' ICE CREAM that made him fat. Not the teachers, not the parents, not the Ice Cream man, not Bush, HIM. Now, the government SHOULD tell students that eatting excessive unhealthy foods are bad for you. If you choose to eat a lot of it, it's your problem. This ticks me off because of a couple of fat people (no offence) that ABUSE the food system should make the rest of us suffer. Now I'm not mad at overwieght people, my friend is overweight, but he goes to the gym and doesn't eat too much unheathy foods. Some people are born overwight. Now if adults can choose to drink, to vote, to everything, and we minors can't, isn't that like unconistituional? (for USA)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: BTW, I'm not overwieght, but I do fast food and chocolate and sodas and I dont check to see if I have a balanced diet. I play soccer every Fall/Winter and Spring Season. My last season we got 3rd place in the playoffs :D Other than that, I sometimes chase my dog (long story involing stealing...) and that lasts quite a while...

They treat minors (18-) like if we have no rights or chocies. I think this country should lay off that people 13-18 are smart enough to choose their foods. It's the kids' fault, since HE WAS THE ONE WHO BOUGHT THE FLIPPIN' ICE CREAM that made him fat. Not the teachers, not the parents, not the Ice Cream man, not Bush, HIM. Now, the government SHOULD tell students that eatting excessive unhealthy foods are bad for you. If you choose to eat a lot of it, it's your problem. This ticks me off because of a couple of fat people (no offence) that ABUSE the food system should make the rest of us suffer. Now I'm not mad at overwieght people, my friend is overweight, but he goes to the gym and doesn't eat too much unheathy foods. Some people are born overwight. Now if adults can choose to drink, to vote, to everything, and we minors can't, isn't that like unconistituional? (for USA)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I partially understand your point, but don't agree with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As a minor, you have limited rights because you are not supporting yourself. Its why you're a minor, and not an adult. Also, if you want to look at this from the perspective of rights, you have to consider government and its role in its citizens' lives.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The government has a responsibility to the people to advocate good choices to ensure the success of their nation. For instance, if its believed that smoking is not beneficial to your health to smoke, the government is not going to sell cigarettes. Government must, however, respect free markets and free choice (to an extent) and allow people to by cigarettes- they just won't advocate it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So if the government believes that unhealthy food can impact the future of the country in a negative way, they have a responsibility to take care of their citizens (minors in particular) by regulating what they advocate. As long as a public school isn't banning the possession of unhealthy food during lunch, they are merely looking out for the well being of the minors.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You also bring up the point that minors not being able to do the same things as adults is possibly unconstitutional. Minors don't have the same rights as adults because they don't have the same responsibilities. They don't have the same responsibilities because its unrealistic to require them.

Amen to that Ghost! I'd also like to add that immature people (I don't use 'minors' on purpose here; some 15 year olds are more mature than some adults will ever be) are very much influenced by media, trends and friends or family. If it's a custom in your family to eat fish on fridays then you'll choose to eat fish on fridays if you had the choice unless you loathe your family or fish :)

 

 

 

If it's hip to eat ice cream for some reason, so your friends do it, then you'll often want to do the same, even if it's unhealthy, much like the entire smoking phenomenom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So there we have it; the role of the government is to make the right decisions for everyone. Some suffer the consequences of the errors others make (thieves, frauds,...) and some do more than they should compared to what they get from the government (people who pay much more taxes than others, some don't pay tax at all).

 

 

 

This measure of the government is for the good of all children, it'll discourage overweight and encourage thinking about your food. Perhaps it's even good for sports.

Our school still has candy/chips/cokes in the vending machines. I think thats its slightly absurd to take them out however. You can't force good health on someone. If a person eats candy everyday and you take the candy machine away, are they gonna just stop. NO. They will find another candy machine/place to get the candy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is the kids choice on whether they want to eat 'unhealthy food'. Or if the child is getting obese then the parent should take control of the problem and stop supplying money to them. (The majority of kids that use the vending machines at my high school get a dollar or two every day for it from their parents).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ultimately, there is always a better solution to the problem. The way people eat is a personal choice. If a child doesn't care if they're obese or not, thats fine. If they do, then they will decide to eat healthy. Simple as pie =)

 

 

 

Now excuse me, but I don't need a government or school to tell me how to eat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They aren't telling you how to eat, they are just not advocating bad health. I assume you can still bring your own junk food from home, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They are attempting to past state-wide laws where I live and recently stopped selling the "unhealthy" Gatorade. :P I don't know if I care either way. (I do miss the Chik-fil-a they use to sell <- and last time I checked, Chik-fil-a is fairly healthy. Maybe not.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

at my boys primary school, those who bring in sandwiches are not allowed to bring anything unhealthy in from home.yet those who eat school dinners are allowed sugar ridden puddings

 

 

 

in fact the headteacher pulled my 11 year old up in from of the whole school in assemerly for bringing into school a packet of crisps :evil:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That doesn't make any sense :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But also, is this school run by the government or is it private?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its goverment run.

 

 

 

update my daughters senoir school (also goverment ran) is also removing the vending machines with junk in, and replacing it with healthy stuff.

 

 

 

and their canteen is at least getting a "makeover"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

as far as i'm concerned a child should be allowed to eat what the parents decide to give them. its the parents who should try and influence the children to eat the healthy stuff, not the goverment.

America, the land of the free.

its goverment run.

 

 

 

update my daughters senoir school (also goverment ran) is also removing the vending machines with junk in, and replacing it with healthy stuff.

 

 

 

and their canteen is at least getting a "makeover"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

as far as i'm concerned a child should be allowed to eat what the parents decide to give them. its the parents who should try and influence the children to eat the healthy stuff, not the goverment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If its government run, then I don't think they should be able to tell you what you can bring for lunch, and what you cannot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that parents should try and influence their kids, but let's face it, kids don't always listen. I think its perfectly fine for the government to choose to sell healthy food instead of unhealthy food - that is purely advocation - but to decide what kids can and cannot eat is a different matter. That is telling people what they should and should not eat, and that's a different story.

When my high school went to the "healthy eating" range at the school cantine or whatnot, they found that 90% of their profits suddenly vanished to local cafe's and whatnot :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Only took them a week to reverse the changes to how it used to be.

Ill buy some on my way to school, thats all i eat ,and i weight 100 >-> 16 years old. Even sit on the computer most the day but I do get around to working out. Why not work on physical fitness classes instead?

i doesnt matter to me im not over weight , not under weight and i dont eat a lot of that stuff any ways