Catholic Town - 'Ave Maria' - Planned in Florida

[dusqi]

 

 

 

pornography is quite the socially destructive thing - I would put it at a much more generally destructive level than pizza.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That kind of thing is hard to quantify and I'm not sure of my opinion on the matter - prostitution perhaps is more destructive, but pornography I lean towards saying no. But do we both agree that contributing to the western world's obesity problem isn't morally pure? and so doesn't give him the right to preach right and wrong.

[insane]

 

 

 

 

pornography is quite the socially destructive thing - I would put it at a much more generally destructive level than pizza.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That kind of thing is hard to quantify. But do we both agree that contributing to the western world's obesity problem isn't morally pure? and so doesn't give him the right to preach right and wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that the pizza thing isn't morally pure, but I don't know about the whole not being allowed to preach what is right and wrong - because all of us do things that are morally impure sometimes, but it doesn't mean that we can't tell someone to stop murdering, for example. But I agree with you mostly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

it's just a little beef, I really hate pornography

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but pornography I lean towards saying no

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

maybe it's not socially destructive, but it shows a social problem - IMO people who use pornography are unsatisfied with the reality in which they live so they need to escape to a fantasy world. Like a drug. It also treats women like objects - merely means to the end that is sexual "satisfaction".

[xxsheepxx]

theres nothing wrong with trying to do something good. its not like it was drug money or anything.

[apinagez]

The biggest problem seems to be the children born there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wouldn't it be the same, for the kid, as being born on a conservative catholic family? Or, wouldn't be the same as being born on a Catholic country? Or Israel? Or in the muslim coutryes ruled by the religious leaders, such as Iran?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or do you think the children of a (strongly) catholic family are allowed to have porn/condoms/sex?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's no need of a 100% catholic town, familyes do that when living alone.

[Futurama]

Cheers, i'll know to stay awake from that dump in future :wink:

 

 

 

can't wait til one of them gets an STD

 

 

 

BOOM!

[dusqi]

 

 

 

it's just a little beef, I really hate pornography

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but pornography I lean towards saying no

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

maybe it's not socially destructive, but it shows a social problem - IMO people who use pornography are unsatisfied with the reality in which they live so they need to escape to a fantasy world. Like a drug. It also treats women like objects - merely means to the end that is sexual "satisfaction".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think that the difference between drugs and pornography is that drugs directly manipulate your internal chemical reactions, whereas using your imagination is (as much as I hate using this word) 'natural' - something that you can do yourself without having to use something external. Otherwise, you could say that Science Fiction shows on t.v. reflect being unsatisfied with reality and the need to escape to a fantasy world. Or Runescape - that's extremely escapist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Concerning treating women like objects... I don't know. It's a massive issue. Does the pornography lead to men treating women like objects? Or does the type of man that watches that kind of pornography already think of women as objects? Does all pornography treat women like objects anyway, or does some show empowered women? With women starting to treat men more like objects, is it just something that both sexes are going to end up doing to each other in the name of equality? Can 'normal' people just make a distinction between pornography and reality anyway, and realise that pornography isn't life and they can't treat women that way? Did not men already treat women like objects way before pornography in magazine and internet form took off?

[Barihawk]

Pornography is just as bad as drugs. It replicates the same chemicals that form in your brain during arrousal and if this effect happens too often, it can affect your brain functions. In essence, you will become addicted to pleasuring yourself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And its very true that most of the pornography out there objectizes women. It portrays them as slaves, tools of pleasure, and not the equals they are to men in real life.

[Phil]

And its very true that most of the pornography out there objectizes women. It portrays them as slaves, tools of pleasure, and not the equals they are to men in real life.

 

 

 

Doesn't/Didn't the catholic religion do this exact thing by not allowing women to be equal and do things men do? An example would be being a priest.

[Barihawk]

Irrelevant, I am not Catholic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, you have a decent point. So that leaves us with "what is worse":

 

 

 

-Woman not allowed to perform high religious duties

 

 

 

-Woman being portrayed as a tool of our lusts, desires, and wants

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With option 1, the woman is at least recognized as being human.

[Phil]

Irrelevant, I am not Catholic.

 

 

 

I wasn't making that point in direct reference to you, but rather to the general catholic discussion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, you have a decent point. So that leaves us with "what is worse":

 

 

 

-Woman not allowed to perform high religious duties

 

 

 

-Woman being portrayed as a tool of our lusts, desires, and wants

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With option 1, the woman is at least recognized as being human.

 

 

 

Well personally...

 

 

 

option 1 - women don't have a choice in this situation, they are/were denied to perform high religious duties

 

 

 

option 2 - women have a choice of being portrayed in these ways.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

now which option is recognising women as humans?

[Kwisatz]

 

Irrelevant, I am not Catholic.

 

 

 

I wasn't making that point in direct reference to you, but rather to the general catholic discussion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, you have a decent point. So that leaves us with "what is worse":

 

 

 

-Woman not allowed to perform high religious duties

 

 

 

-Woman being portrayed as a tool of our lusts, desires, and wants

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With option 1, the woman is at least recognized as being human.

 

 

 

Well personally...

 

 

 

option 1 - women don't have a choice in this situation, they are/were denied to perform high religious duties

 

 

 

option 2 - women have a choice of being portrayed in these ways.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

now which option is recognising women as humans?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EXACTLY! All of the feminist rights groups are moaning to us dudes, and they should be moaning to the women who allow themselves to be photographed. They make money off of it, like it, and allow it, if they want to stop it they should stop it at the source.

[How2PK]

Men are photographed in porn movies too, right? :?

[OhFour]

Pornography is just as bad as drugs. It replicates the same chemicals that form in your brain during arrousal and if this effect happens too often, it can affect your brain functions. In essence, you will become addicted to pleasuring yourself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And its very true that most of the pornography out there objectizes women. It portrays them as slaves, tools of pleasure, and not the equals they are to men in real life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is VERY true. I know tons of people who are addicted to pleasuring theirselves by using women as tools.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would say that in a sense, drugs would be worse though. Can you die by looking at porn? Can you O.D. by looking at porn? There is really 2 very built up sides to this though... Drugs or Pornography... The markets are huge in both.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Drug abuse or Women abuse...

[db26]

Okay, this is just getting ridiculous. I don't think there is anyone who is addicted to self-gratification (EDIT: Why would that word be banned? I can see slang for it being abused... But the word itself?). At least no more than anyone is addicted to Television, the Internet, etc. Anything has the capacity to be addictive in that sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see the problem with pornography either. As long as it's all done legally (I.E. not child porn or anything like that), what does it matter? It's a job just like anything else. If there's a market for something, there will be people who cater to that market.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am probably pretty biased in a topic like this considering I am not against anything that doesn't hurt other people (and I don't count drugs as hurting other people... So many more people have died from cigarettes and alcohol that from illegal drugs, but I digress. Completely different issue.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh yeah. I actually am Catholic too. And I still think this is a stupid idea.

[CoRnMaN]

Okay, this is just getting ridiculous. I don't think there is anyone who is addicted to self-gratification

 

 

 

This shows how much you know on the subject. If people weren't addicted to it there wouldn't be as big of a problem. Communities can vote on allowing or disallowing porn in their communities. So why can't they (the local government) censor internet content? It is very frustrating. The government is for the people by the people of the people. People that produce pornography should be charged with corruption of the common good.

[Barihawk]

Self gratification is bad for you, if you do it often enough. It produces marijauna-type effects, attacks your judgement, and will affect your behavior like any other addiction. The same effect happens to people who have sex to much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And there are hundreds of thousands of people in the US alone who are addicted to pornography. The porno sites would not be open if there wasnt.

[db26]

 

Okay, this is just getting ridiculous. I don't think there is anyone who is addicted to self-gratification

 

 

 

This shows how much you know on the subject. If people weren't addicted to it there wouldn't be as big of a problem. Communities can vote on allowing or disallowing porn in their communities. So why can't they (the local government) censor internet content? It is very frustrating. The government is for the people by the people of the people. People that produce pornography should be charged with corruption of the common good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you honestly asking for the government to censor the Internet? Wow. My mind was just blown. While we're at it, let's ban television. All these people sitting at home enjoying themselves watching a program... We can't have that. Television is clearly destroying our country and hurting the "common good."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But no, of course this won't happen. I think we seem to be forgetting a little thing I like to call the First Amendment:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Government was created to protect people from others. It takes a step too far when it tries to protect people from themselves.

[db26]

Self gratification is bad for you, if you do it often enough. It produces marijauna-type effects, attacks your judgement, and will affect your behavior like any other addiction. The same effect happens to people who have sex to much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And there are hundreds of thousands of people in the US alone who are addicted to pornography. The porno sites would not be open if there wasnt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh my God. These posts make me want to cry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Self-gratification is actually heathy for you. I believe I read a study somewhere that said men who self-gratificate are about half as likely to get prostate cancer. It attacks your judgement? Well, maybe for a few moments, but its not like your on an acid trip or anything like that. Talk about over-exaggeration.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont know about you, but I don't see many self-gratification-addicts. I've never see anyone run home just so they can do something like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People use the word addiction too liberally. It should really only be associated with things you can have a physical dependence on. Otherwise , so many people will be addicted to so many things. I am addicted to the Internet and television. Does that mean we should get rid of them? Of course not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The porn sites wouldn't be open if people weren't addicted? Couldn't the same logic be applied to any other type of store or activity?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Sorry about the double post... Didn't realize it when I was posting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And also another edit:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"It prodouces marijuana-like effects"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow. I wish.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your ignorance is unbelievable.

[insane]

I don't see the problem with pornography either. As long as it's all done legally (I.E. not child porn or anything like that), what does it matter? It's a job just like anything else. If there's a market for something, there will be people who cater to that market.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've been realizing lately that I really don't like it when people use the law to justify something. That's a little shallow - we all know that pornography is legal, but what we are asking is, is it good? Is it right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EXACTLY! All of the feminist rights groups are moaning to us dudes, and they should be moaning to the women who allow themselves to be photographed. They make money off of it, like it, and allow it, if they want to stop it they should stop it at the source.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or maybe they're moaning to "us dudes" who instead of directing them towards good jobs or helping them out financially - make our shallowness evident by directing them towards self-degredation as a form of work. I rarely (I have never) met a girl whose main goal in life was to become a porn star/prostitute. It usually seems to be a last resort for women.

[dwarfie76]

I see absolutely no problem with this idea. If a bunch of people want to move off and live their lives as they see fit within the provisions of state and federal laws then good on them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While I believe everyone has a right to contraception, abortion on demand and the ability to determine their own masturbatory requirements I also believe that they have the right to live away from such things if they choose to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for those born into such a community, they can either respect their parents decision to move there, or move out. Besides... I'm sure the bus fare to the nearest den of vice isn't too prohibitive.

[db26]

I've been realizing lately that I really don't like it when people use the law to justify something. That's a little shallow - we all know that pornography is legal, but what we are asking is, is it good? Is it right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I sort of answered that too. It's just a job. Personally I think it is good for creating lots of jobs for people who seemingly can't get jobs anywhere else (as you said, no one grows up wanting to be a porn star), and stimulating the economy because of all the purchases that people make on porn, if nothing else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or maybe they're moaning to "us dudes" who instead of directing them towards good jobs or helping them out financially - make our shallowness evident by directing them towards self-degredation as a form of work. I rarely (I have never) met a girl whose main goal in life was to become a porn star/prostitute. It usually seems to be a last resort for women.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hell, I wouldn't object to being a porn star. It's a pretty damn good job if you ask me.

[blue107]

well dusqi, welcome back *huggles and fluffles*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but i guarentee you theres a town in the US already with no abortion clinics and pornography stores. i, personally am against those parts of the catholic church and have been ever since i read the bible and found theres no mention of the catholics being lead by a man in a pointy hat whom can tell us what we may do and not do

[Barihawk]

 

Self gratification is bad for you, if you do it often enough. It produces marijauna-type effects, attacks your judgement, and will affect your behavior like any other addiction. The same effect happens to people who have sex to much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And there are hundreds of thousands of people in the US alone who are addicted to pornography. The porno sites would not be open if there wasnt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh my God. These posts make me want to cry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Self-gratification is actually heathy for you. I believe I read a study somewhere that said men who self-gratificate are about half as likely to get prostate cancer. It attacks your judgement? Well, maybe for a few moments, but its not like your on an acid trip or anything like that. Talk about over-exaggeration.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont know about you, but I don't see many self-gratification-addicts. I've never see anyone run home just so they can do something like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People use the word addiction too liberally. It should really only be associated with things you can have a physical dependence on. Otherwise , so many people will be addicted to so many things. I am addicted to the Internet and television. Does that mean we should get rid of them? Of course not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The porn sites wouldn't be open if people weren't addicted? Couldn't the same logic be applied to any other type of store or activity?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Sorry about the double post... Didn't realize it when I was posting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And also another edit:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"It prodouces marijuana-like effects"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow. I wish.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your ignorance is unbelievable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, actually, you make me cry because you don't do research.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here are some resources for sex addiction. I am not talking about once or twice a day, Im talking 5-rediculous times a day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://drdrew.com/Topics/article.asp?id=377

 

 

 

http://menshealth.about.com/od/sexualhe ... dictio.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Theres tons more, but Google is being mean and whacking out on me. I might post more later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The porn sites wouldn't be open if people weren't addicted? Couldn't the same logic be applied to any other type of store or activity?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Would cigarette or alcohol companies be open if people weren't addicted? Sure, the odd person would pass by, but the reason these companies keep the addictive substances in thier product is that people will be hooked and continue to buy the product. With sexual addiction, pornography works in the same manner. So to answer your question, yes. I never said it was not like any other company.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People use the word addiction too liberally. It should really only be associated with things you can have a physical dependence on. Otherwise , so many people will be addicted to so many things. I am addicted to the Internet and television. Does that mean we should get rid of them? Of course not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you do research on sexual addiction, and read other posts in here instead of acting like God, you would reaize that sexual addiction is physically based. Arousal forms chemicals in your brain, and too many of these chemicals acts like drugs, and has addictive effects. Over time, it can completely change someone's behavior.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Self-gratification is actually heathy for you. I believe I read a study somewhere that said men who self-gratificate are about half as likely to get prostate cancer. It attacks your judgement? Well, maybe for a few moments, but its not like your on an acid trip or anything like that. Talk about over-exaggeration.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never doubted that. But thats if you only do it lightly. Having a sip of wine every day is healthy for your heart, but excessively is bad for you. Same with self gratification. Read the posted articles.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont know about you, but I don't see many self-gratification-addicts. I've never see anyone run home just so they can do something like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's sad, but there are over 300,000 Americans checked into rehab for sexual addiction. It is believed that there are over 700,000 more who have symptoms, but have not talked to a doctor. It affects both men and women. People often do not know it exists (like in your case) and therefore are unaware of the consequences.

 

 

 

 

 

 

"It prodouces marijuana-like effects"

 

 

 

Yeah, I wish.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You do realize that after 30 minutes of love making, the man and woman are technically so high off of sexual chemicals that they are legally intoxicated, right? The same applies to self gratification if it is done more than 8 times in a day. This keeps these sexual chemicals from clearing out, and the effect builds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Welcome to enlightenment, and never criticize someone without looking up the facts. My post did not orginally attack those who self gratificate, just those who are addicted to it chemically.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hell, I wouldn't object to being a porn star. It's a pretty damn good job if you ask me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many porn stars are forced into crack habits to try and get over the moral disdeeds that they have performed. Of any occupation in the US, pornography features the highest suicide rate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure it sounds cool at first, but once you get past the free sex, it's really a sad world for desperate men and women.

[Higothrekk]

I don't see any problem with the idea, aren't they building some kinda village for jews only somewhere in the US? unless thats another law specially for jews.

[Anesthesia]

Many porn stars are forced into crack habits to try and get over the moral disdeeds that they have performed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's just ridiculous. Any evidence for that? And I mean evidence that they were forced into crack habits by starring in pornography.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, there isn't. I'll tell you why:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's more likely that they went into pornography because they have a certain type of personality. That personality will be the same one that leads them to drugs - IF THAT HAPPENS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Saying that pornography forces them into taking crack is ludicrous anti-pornography propaganda and any so-called evidence you may produce (which I doubt too) will just be correlational. It just sounds like you are regurgitating some baseless sputum you were taught at church or bible camp to further their message that it's evil.