Mod's, if this is a rant, I would apprecite you moving it to that forum instead of locking this.

 

 

 

 

 

I dunno about everyone else but the newest update (making F2P and P2P essence different) seems like an action in futility. Here's why:

 

 

 

1. Jagex makes it unprofitable for macroers to make millions mining essence. The supply of essence drops and rich, lazy members are unwilling to mine their own essence which they use in massive amounts. This will see a decline in power runecrafters and mages but not in the total amount of macros.

 

 

 

2. Macroers, frustrated that they have lost a major money making skill in F2P, switch to another skill i.e. woodcutting, mining, or fishing

 

 

 

3. Now we have the same amount of macroers in different skills. If Jagex continues along this track, there will be P2P and F2P fish, logs, ores, and who knows what else, effectively segregating the F2P and P2P sections of the economy.

 

 

 

4. With the F2P and P2P economies now seperate, neither works as well. The F2P have little easy ways to make money and the members have lost major resources, driving prices up because of increased demand.

 

 

 

IF Jagex does this for other ways to make money in F2P, this is how it might turn out:

 

 

 

*High prices of member's resources while F2P resources plummet in cost.

 

 

 

*Wealth will reassign itself in both economies to create a more balanced but poorer society.

 

 

 

*The value of gold deflates in free-worlds because less gold is entering F2P from P2P which will result in even lower prices of F2P items.

 

 

 

*Merchants die out.

 

 

 

*People find other ways to make money and the economy rebuilds albiet with fewer ways to make lots of money, again causing deflation or stagnation of the value of gold.

 

 

 

*Macroers pay the $5 a month and still make huge amounts of gold from P2P and Jagex is back where it started.

 

 

 

There's no good way to fight macro's. All this update has done is further segregate the F2P and P2P. For all of you members, make sure you complain to Jagex (Secret Update: F2P can't comment on Jagex service anymore, everything is directed to teh P2P forums). The madness must stop as it does nothing but destroy the careful coexistence of F2P and P2P.

I agree with #3, it seems like this update can lead to future ones just making seperate items from p2p and f2p. But, it's a way for more people to go p2p.

Being a member will solve all your problems. And the member's can still buy ess from other member's can't they? It's more like just the F2P market is being affected. That's why members own. :)

I doubt they'll follow suit with any more segregating the two games like making more 'pure' items. While this was a step forward, it wasn't exactly in the right direction. We won't ever have separate markets or anything, and I doubt we'll see much more separation really. This was more to directly combat the mass existence of essence being mined.

The members market will be affected to because there will be less preferable essence. I don't think many runecrafters in members make large amounts of the F2P runes (except maybe airs). It will raise prices on the more preferable "Pure Essence" in the members worlds because there will be fewer people mining it.

I do not think JaGeX will push this as far as "pure yews" or anyhting like that, and I like to think of it like this, although many people may disagree: This will definately reduce the number of ESS auto-ers so- JaGeX: 3; Macros: 0

 

^^I know many people will disagree with this^^

actually this update might make the macroing problem worse. as stated before they may change items or just run more macroers to gather more to get the same amount of money(example:the price of f2p ess drops by 90%. now rather than running 10 auto they run 100 making the problem even worse)

How is this update going to stop ess autoers at all? It's going to cause F2p ess to drop to half or less of their previous value. That means that autoers who are putting zero effort into mining ess, will be able to sell their materials for the reduced price. Zero effort still producing profit, albeit less, does not discourage or prevent macroing at all.

 

 

 

What this update will do is

 

 

 

• Starve P2p runecrafters who cannot buy from nonmember ess miners.
   
  Increase the cost of P2p crafted runes such as natures
   
  Ruin F2p ess miners and merchants alike
   
  Encourage macroers to cheat at other skills
   
  

 

Wouldn't it have made more sense to have tried these solutions instead?

 

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  IP ban macroers
   
  Limit the number of accounts produced by one IP
   
  Give player mod status to more nonmembers

 

The latter solutions wouldn't have adverse affects on the runescape economy. They would however have been great steps to cut down on macroers. Jagex of course decided to go with the most damaging approach possible that would harm thousands of legitimate players greatly.

Being a member will solve all your problems. And the member's can still buy ess from other member's can't they? It's more like just the F2P market is being affected. That's why members own. :)

 

 

 

not all of us can be members so wht happens to us

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Limit the number of accounts produced by one IP

 

 

 

 

Thats a great idea. Jagex needs to listen to there players more often.

 

 

 

You can split your IP so you have multiple ones out of one. All i'd have to do is make 100 different "Haxzor" IPs out of my one, and cheat through there.

 

 

 

Jagex should instead, in my opinion, put an in-game system in for macroing. Things like go from bank to teleport spot to mine and back all take a few clicks, if you can make commands like /Walkto Mineteleport; /Mine Essancerock; /Walkto Teleport; /Walkto Bank... As long as you are at your keyboard it makes it easier for us to do the stuff we wanna do, and encourage more skilling, and making macroing obsolete and stupid, since there is a half way system in place already.

So... ok, I don't like the new update for reasons allready stated: no more "cheap" F2P ess for upping my RC (just about to get interesting with 44 RC!!!).

 

 

 

BUT:

 

 

 

I find it striking, that although people are complaining all the time about macroers, the same players appear to have grown dependant on them. I mean, YOU made the market for these macroers by buying/merching cheap F2P ess into the members world (AND making maassive amount of GP!!!)!

 

 

 

So stop complaining about the fact that JaGEx finally did something abut your worst foe (autoers), simply because it backfired at you!

 

 

 

Since i bought my first k of essence a week ago (just before the update, before I mined all my own raw materials) I don't mind all that much. And I don't mind autoers either. It is I that enjoy playing the game, making my own money by training my skills, and I frankly really don't care how others do it. Personally, I don't find it satisfying buying my D chain with money from scams, autoers and other illegal stuff.

It could be just me, but I never saw runescape as being a trading game. If you keep your levels roughly equivalent there is no reason why you can't be almost wholly self-sufficient. Sure it makes more money if you concentrate on crafting nats while buying your essence of an f2p autoer, but what is the point of making money? To buy a phat? As I said, it's probably just me, but that doesn't seem like a particularly interesting endpoint to the game.

Jatex says:

 

 

 

Since free players can only craft the six basic runes anyway, the normal essence is just as good for its intended purpose of letting free players do low level rune crafting. However it is not so useful for selling to members who want to make law and nature runes (who we believe buy the vast majority of rune essence in Runescape) which should reduce its price significantly and make it a much less appealing proposition for real world traders.

 

 

 

Now:

 

People belive in Jatex words. Price of rune ess go down.

 

Members still have a lots of pure ess in banks. Price of pure ess is still.

 

 

 

Next (story of pure ess price):

 

 

 

pure ess: 40 ea, iron ore: 100 ea

 

 

 

Not many members with 30+ lvl mineing start mine ess for cash. Iron is still more profitable and give 7x more exp.

 

 

 

No one use macro to mine it, its risk to loose a member account.

 

 

 

People need pure ess to make members runes but no one produce it and no one want sell it. Price going up.

 

 

 

pure ess: 60 ea

 

 

 

Now trades who buy lots of pure earlier start sell them. Good deal for traders. Runecrafter still needs more pure ess, miners dont mine them (iron is still better). Price going up.

 

 

 

pure ess: 100 ea

 

 

 

Price of pure ess reach psychical barrier. Its very hard to buy in large amount. Some miners start mine pure ess now.

 

 

 

Price can reach 150 ea, becouse iron give more exp than pure ess.

 

 

 

Next (story of normal ess price):

 

 

 

normal ess: 30 ea

 

 

 

Members stop buy normal ess. Price going down.

 

 

 

20 ea

 

 

 

Many miners stop mine ess. People stop useing macros in ess mineing. Still is a lot of supply of normal ess in banks, but f2p runecrafters buying it. Price is stable and slowly going up.

It could be just me, but I never saw runescape as being a trading game. If you keep your levels roughly equivalent there is no reason why you can't be almost wholly self-sufficient. Sure it makes more money if you concentrate on crafting nats while buying your essence of an f2p autoer, but what is the point of making money? To buy a phat? As I said, it's probably just me, but that doesn't seem like a particularly interesting endpoint to the game.

 

 

 

If you were to try and get 99 smithing without buying any ore or bars, you would end up with the highest mining xp of any runescape player. There are certain skills which require that you buy materials. How do you propose that a person mine all their own ess and ore for both 99 smithing and runecrafting? Quite simply, you couldn't do it in a timely manner.

 

 

 

But the issue at hand is the separation of F2p and P2p ess. This hasn't done anything to stop autoers. What it has done, is sever the majority of ess production, from the ess consumers. No one has benefitted from this sham of an update, with the exception of Jagex, who is now encouraging macroers to use their programs to mine P2p ess.

i think the update is good as f2p can now buy cheap normal rune ess for runecrafting airs :D and members hv to buy those expensive pure rune ess.

Ah it's not gonna stop anything this. It's pretty much just as futile as random events are.

 

 

 

The only thing this will reach is relatively cheaper F2P ess (10-15gp ea?), relatively more expensive P2P ess (80+ gp ea) and some more money in Jagex' pockets because some of the autoers will join P2P.

actually this update might make the macroing problem worse. as stated before they may change items or just run more macroers to gather more to get the same amount of money(example:the price of f2p ess drops by 90%. now rather than running 10 auto they run 100 making the problem even worse)

 

 

 

if normal ess can't be used to make profit, they will just stop mining normal ess and won't make more macroers. they will just sift to other skills and that's all as it isn't easy to maintain 100 autoers at the same time =.=.

Being a member will solve all your problems. And the member's can still buy ess from other member's can't they? It's more like just the F2P market is being affected. That's why members own. :)

 

 

 

not all of us can be members so wht happens to us

 

 

 

i think it only affects members who rely on rc to make money.

Being a member will solve all your problems. And the member's can still buy ess from other member's can't they? It's more like just the F2P market is being affected. That's why members own. :)

 

 

 

not all of us can be members so wht happens to us

 

 

 

i think it only affects members who rely on rc to make money.

 

 

 

And the people who buy nats/laws from members who rc.. :roll:

 

 

 

Which means everyone is in the loop.

Man, jagex is quite evil...

If you were to try and get 99 smithing without buying any ore or bars, you would end up with the highest mining xp of any runescape player.

 

Why would that be a problem? And no-one 'needs' 99 smithing. OK, so you can make rune plates, you can buy rune plates at pretty much any stage using the proceeds of your other skills.

 

 

 

There are certain skills which require that you buy materials. How do you propose that a person mine all their own ess and ore for both 99 smithing and runecrafting? Quite simply, you couldn't do it in a timely manner.

 

Who needs to do it in a timely manner. Last time I checked it wasn't a race.

 

 

 

Again, it's probably just me, but I thought the idea of playing a game was to have fun.

If you were to try and get 99 smithing without buying any ore or bars, you would end up with the highest mining xp of any runescape player.

 

Why would that be a problem? And no-one 'needs' 99 smithing. OK, so you can make rune plates, you can buy rune plates at pretty much any stage using the proceeds of your other skills.

 

 

 

But I thought you said that you didn't trade? How are you going to buy rune plates without trading?

 

 

 

If everyone subscribed to your no buying materials concept, there would not be any level 99 smiths to this day. That means there wouldn't be anyone to buy rune battle axes and 2h swords from.

 

 

 

Runescape thrives on trade between players. It is this trade that is the backbone of high level Smiths, crafters, runecrafters and fletchers.

 

 

 

There are certain skills which require that you buy materials. How do you propose that a person mine all their own ess and ore for both 99 smithing and runecrafting? Quite simply, you couldn't do it in a timely manner.

 

Who needs to do it in a timely manner. Last time I checked it wasn't a race.

 

 

 

Again, it's probably just me, but I thought the idea of playing a game was to have fun.

 

 

 

According to the hiscores page, there is quite a bit of racing. Isn't the point of racing also to be fun? Isn't reaching level goals also done in the pursuit of enjoyment?

 

 

 

As to the topic at hand, without the previous ess trade, there will be no more high runecrafting levels. The amount of time consumed mining ess is so extreme, it would take ten times longer to reach 99 runecrafting without buying ess. By separating free and member ess, the leveling of runecrafting has been greatly hindered.

Lim_dul and Dwafie76, you have brought up the major divide between RS players over whether the game is to play and "have fun" or whether the 'fun' comes from being up there in the high scores and power skilling. It's an interesting topic, but please, not on my thread.

But I thought you said that you didn't trade? How are you going to buy rune plates without trading?

 

 

 

There is nothing in the game that can't be created yourself or purchased from an npc, all skills generate income without the need to sell to other players.

 

 

 

Sure I can see the attraction to being the 'best' at clicking your mouse on a screen, powerleveling on supplies purchased with money made fast by merchanting, but it just doesn't appeal to me.