bigsword33 Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 ok...might as well get started. space is made out of matter, right? well all that matter was packed into a infinetly dense, infinetly small point that exploded into the universe we see today. but, as some of you didn't know, it traveled to roughly it's exact size(a bit smaller, but when your talking about something this big...) in a trillianth of a trillianth of a second, meaning that the matter making up our universe traveled much faster then time. This brings me to another therom. The states of matter. In school, you may only be taught that there are 4 states of matter. surprisingly, there are 7 known states, and probably many more that are unknown. this matter that was in the unvierse when it exploded is the 7th state of matter. it was here millions of human years before light exsisted. And this matter is all around us, and we can use it, if we can figure out how. A short while ago, a new idea was stated. if we could travel faster then light, we could explore everything we need that's relitevaly close to us. But as many tried, we couldn't even get an atom of every to travel that fast, tons of evergy pushing it. So some smart guy came up with an idea that struck everyone as impossible, the space bobble. He stated that if we can compress and relax space, we could make it push us at extreme velocities. but the energy we would need for this would be unimaginable. so this man came up with a way to warp space around a nuclear/pure energy powered ship, making a bobble of normal space protecting everyone inside, and doing everything needed to compress/relax space. if we could do this, we could go to planets in minutes, make space flights hundred of times shorter, and explore farther then we ever could. with new developments of clean energy, we could maybe use 1 type to power a ship like this. anyways, what do you think of this? post your ideas! a note: i'm 12 years old, and it's 2 in the morning. i can't do much right now and really tired, but just posted this to see what the older people here would think. if you didn't bother reading this, don't post unless you know everything about it. and sorry about the spelling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionheart_0 Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 :shock: You are 12 and you understand this... wow, im 16, and this sounds like physics for either advance grade 12's or university. Sig by IkuraiYour Guide to Posting! Behave or I will send my Moose mounted Beaver launchers at you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedofsound Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Uh I was tottaly in to the stuff when I was 12....still am...my friends think im weird but meh :wink: You can't ever find a place that's nice and peaceful, because there isn't any. You may think there is, but once you get there, when you're not looking, somebody'll sneak up and write "(bleep) you" right under your nose. Try it sometime. I think, even, if I ever die, and they stick me in a cemetery, and I have a tombstone and all, it'll say "Holden Caulfield" on it, and then what year I was born and what year I died, and then right under that it'll say "(bleep) you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_OnE Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Sounds interesting but I think we are far off from this kind of technology... Plus, you have to factor in that traveling at such a high speed would greatly age everything around us but not us... For example, if you were to travel one year going at the speed of light, you would only age a year but everything and everyone you knew on earth would be gone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsword33 Posted July 1, 2006 Author Share Posted July 1, 2006 Sounds interesting but I think we are far off from this kind of technology... Plus, you have to factor in that traveling at such a high speed would greatly age everything around us but not us... For example, if you were to travel one year going at the speed of light, you would only age a year but everything and everyone you knew on earth would be gone... i knew i forgot something! an adition i forgot to make is that doing this does not make you really travel. you are traveling WITH time, and outside the universe, in a sort of special bubble that makes it's own space and time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Reminds me of the Star Ocean game my sister plays :? But this is saying in another demention. "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purecheese Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Actually the universe pretty much started with a big bang that was the result of the annihilation of pretty much all matter and anti-matter. Through a miracle there was slightly more matter then anti-matter, which is now the universe as we know it. This theory is supported by rough estimations that show that there are far more Photons then other nuclear particles. Basically light exists of photons, so light was there right from the start. As for the theory, enter space bubble or space bobble on google and you won't find a thing about this theory. I guess that says enough. Aside from that I've been studying applied physics for 3 years now and to be honest I've never heard of this. Though you use a lot of fancy terms which do exist, the combination of it just doesn't make sense.. Nice story but more of a hoax then science IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsword33 Posted July 1, 2006 Author Share Posted July 1, 2006 Actually the universe pretty much started with a big bang that was the result of the annihilation of pretty much all matter and anti-matter. Through a miracle there was slightly more matter then anti-matter, which is now the universe as we know it. This theory is supported by rough estimations that show that there are far more Photons then other nuclear particles. Basically light exists of photons, so light was there right from the start. As for the theory, enter space bubble or space bobble on google and you won't find a thing about this theory. I guess that says enough. Aside from that I've been studying applied physics for 3 years now and to be honest I've never heard of this. Though you use a lot of fancy terms which do exist, the combination of it just doesn't make sense.. Nice story but more of a hoax then science IMO this is a completly new theory that i have just seen, talked with my bro's teacher about (my bro is 20....colledge teachers pl0x), and am still waiting to see aproved. also, the big bang theory is constantly changing. this is not a hoax, ok? it's something i've read in a colledge science journal a while ago(a month) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy500fan Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 i think the width of all the matter in the universe was actually 10^-35 meters, or one Planck Length when our big bang happened. i remember reading that, but it doesnt say anything about it on that page i linked to. 10^-35 meters is really, really small, but not "infinitley small." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_OnE Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Sounds interesting but I think we are far off from this kind of technology... Plus, you have to factor in that traveling at such a high speed would greatly age everything around us but not us... For example, if you were to travel one year going at the speed of light, you would only age a year but everything and everyone you knew on earth would be gone... i knew i forgot something! an adition i forgot to make is that doing this does not make you really travel. you are traveling WITH time, and outside the universe, in a sort of special bubble that makes it's own space and time Yep, you lost me now... I was good up until you said that... Meh, I don't need to be thinking like this in the summer anyway... BTW, what's with all these topics relating to advanced science and math and stuff?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death_By_Pod Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 ok...might as well get started. space is made out of matter, right? well all that matter was packed into a infinetly dense, infinetly small point that exploded into the universe we see today. but, as some of you didn't know, it traveled to roughly it's exact size(a bit smaller, but when your talking about something this big...) in a trillianth of a trillianth of a second, meaning that the matter making up our universe traveled much faster then time. This brings me to another therom. The states of matter. Matter moved away from each other much faster then light, not time. In school, you may only be taught that there are 4 states of matter. surprisingly, there are 7 known states, and probably many more that are unknown. this matter that was in the unvierse when it exploded is the 7th state of matter. it was here millions of human years before light exsisted. And this matter is all around us, and we can use it, if we can figure out how. There are more then 7 states. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_phases_of_matter gives a list; even ice has about 14 or so states. The state of matter near the beginning of the universe would be similar to a black hole. We can use heavy objects like planets, stars and black holes to sling shot around and get faster, however not on a scale that you describe. A short while ago, a new idea was stated. if we could travel faster then light, we could explore everything we need that's relitevaly close to us. But as many tried, we couldn't even get an atom of every to travel that fast, tons of evergy pushing it. So some smart guy came up with an idea that struck everyone as impossible, the space bobble. He stated that if we can compress and relax space, we could make it push us at extreme velocities. but the energy we would need for this would be unimaginable. so this man came up with a way to warp space around a nuclear/pure energy powered ship, making a bobble of normal space protecting everyone inside, and doing everything needed to compress/relax space. if we could do this, we could go to planets in minutes, make space flights hundred of times shorter, and explore farther then we ever could. with new developments of clean energy, we could maybe use 1 type to power a ship like this. That sounds like an Alcubierre drive, an object that compresses space in front of it and expands space behind it. Basically the spaceship sits inside of this bubble and the space will move but the space ship will stand still. ItÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s kind of like surfing on a wave; however this idea has been around for a decade or so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubsa Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 It never ceases to amaze me how people can make logical thoughts out of this stuff. :shock: It's just so...complicated! Contradictory! Crazy! Did I mention complicated? Ow, my head #-o This is how much you all raised for charity. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsword33 Posted July 3, 2006 Author Share Posted July 3, 2006 It never ceases to amaze me how people can make logical thoughts out of this stuff. :shock: It's just so...complicated! Contradictory! Crazy! Did I mention complicated? Ow, my head #-o just sit back and let people smarter then you do it, then buy it off them for too much money also, i'm sorry for some of the wrong info, i think i stated that some of it will be wrong in the end of the first post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy500fan Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 It never ceases to amaze me how people can make logical thoughts out of this stuff. :shock: It's just so...complicated! Contradictory! Crazy! Did I mention complicated? Ow, my head #-o it hurts my head too now. its a lot easier to understand when you and a few friends (who hopefully are somewhat smart) talk about it and discuss it. everyone kind of inputs and helps each other out, thats the only way i understood most of the stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyco Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I know of 2 engines that many scientist are working on and that is a Hyperdrive engine at Area 51 or 19 forgot wich one. And another that I haven't looked at. Both are capable of 1000 times faster than the speed of light. But the problem we have is that they keep blowing up, so its not looking to good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralinre Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I know of 2 engines that many scientist are working on and that is a Hyperdrive engine at Area 51 or 19 forgot wich one. And another that I haven't looked at. Both are capable of 1000 times faster than the speed of light. But the problem we have is that they keep blowing up, so its not looking to good. It sounds to me like you threw Star Wars technology and a conspiracy theory into a blender, and this came out. :P Link, please? :P "In so far as I am Man I am the chief of creatures. In so far as I am a man I am the chief of sinners." - G.K. Chesterton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dymed Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I know of 2 engines that many scientist are working on and that is a Hyperdrive engine at Area 51 or 19 forgot wich one. And another that I haven't looked at. Both are capable of 1000 times faster than the speed of light. But the problem we have is that they keep blowing up, so its not looking to good. 1000 times the speed of light? Right... You do realize it takes an object an infinite amount of energy to move at the speed of light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsword33 Posted July 5, 2006 Author Share Posted July 5, 2006 I know of 2 engines that many scientist are working on and that is a Hyperdrive engine at Area 51 or 19 forgot wich one. And another that I haven't looked at. Both are capable of 1000 times faster than the speed of light. But the problem we have is that they keep blowing up, so its not looking to good. 1000 times the speed of light? Right... You do realize it takes an object an infinite amount of energy to move at the speed of light? exactly. that's why the compresion therome works, as it warps past the waves of light, like a shortcut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evadek Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 You may be 12 but that doesn't excuse the fact that you are calling the space compression theory a theorem. A theorem is a proven theory which i'm afraid the space compression theory hasn't been proven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsword33 Posted July 5, 2006 Author Share Posted July 5, 2006 You may be 12 but that doesn't excuse the fact that you are calling the space compression theory a theorem. A theorem is a proven theory which i'm afraid the space compression theory hasn't been proven i never said it has been proved either. and sorry about that, i'll edit it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death_By_Pod Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 i never said it has been proved either. and sorry about that, i'll edit it It hasn't been proven because itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s a bunch of pseudoscientific rambling. Physics isnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t like what you read in a science fiction book, you canÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t just dream up ideas and expect them to work in real life. Physics is a very rigid set of mathematics; in order for your ideas to work they need to be solvable by a given set of equations. In essence your ideas need to fit current observation and equations. If someone hasnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t come up with a similar idea to your space compression theory, it is because it doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t work. There are over 62 million man hours put into the field of physics per year in America alone, if space compression was a feasible idea there will be people working on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull912000 Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Hmm :-k , I'm pretty sure that people thought the same when they tried to break the sound barrier. The truth is, if you go the speed of light, the only thing that will stop you is light, and I don't feel any drag (even though it exist, it is not infinant.) when moving my hand towards a flashlight. Therefore, traveling over the speed of light is possible with a finite amount of energy. x-y=z x=energy needed to reach speed of light y=friction from light z=extra energy needed to excede speed of light Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?Final Fantasy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Its a good idea to try to explain how things happen, instead of copying from a textbook/magazine. For example, what are the 7 states of matter? How do they arise? You say at the "big bang", things travelled faster than time. Time did not exist. The universe was a "point in space", not time, as before that it is recognised that there was nothing. This is simalar to a black hole(in the fact that the normal rules of physics break down, ie time does not exist). Theory states if you were to watch someone fall into a black hole (which you cant, as gravity pulls the light in which you would be seeing to see the person) they would never reach the singularity (middle of the black hole) because time slows down as gravity increases. And as a black hole's gravity tends towards infinity, time tends towards 0 (as it is approached). Also, travelling faster than the speed of light is impossible. For example, as you travel closer and closer to the speed of light, your mass increases. As your velocity reaches the speed of light, your mass becomes infinite, and your momentum infinite too. This is impossible - it would require an infinite amount of energy, which would just collapse the universe. Although, it is possible to travel at the speed of light... For example, you are standing, motionless, on a planet moving at 1/4 the speed of light. Your solar system is moving through your galaxy at 1/2 speed of light. And your galaxy is moving through the universe at 3/4 the speed of light. This is possible - and you are moving at 1.5x the speed of light, w.r.t.(with respect to) the universe. (Or something on the lines of that) Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull912000 Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Now tell me, why does your mass increase, and how is it possible to have infanant mass? Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?Final Fantasy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Now tell me, why does your mass increase, and how is it possible to have infanant mass? Your mass increases, because as you travel faster and faster, in order for equilibrium to be maintained, your mass must be increased. (also to do with momentum) "infanant mass"? I assume you mean infinate mass? This is hard to explain but.. For example, a star has a huge mass. And it has a huge gravitational field. Aswell as pulling in planets or whatever else around it, it pulls itself in. When the star dies, it is possible for the star to collapse upon itself. So the centre of the star is pulling on the rest of the star around it, and as gravity is so large, it just pulls it all in. It is infinate because if you take the equation density = mass/volume, and the volume is 0, and the mass is large, large/0 = infinite. As the density of an object is proportional to the strength of the gravity, an infinately dense object, has an very large gravitational pull. If you were relating to the thing about the speed of light, your mass increases exponentially as speed increases, so as your speed increases, your mass tends to infinity. Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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