America - benign or a menance?

[apinagez]

My point is clear and simple... America has had such prosperity in the past 50 years that we have alienated ourselves from the rest of the worlds problems and even our own problems.

 

 

 

The US was in the center (I don't mean they have caused them though) of every world problem in the last 100 years.

 

If you mean the american people, though, you're right, and I just can't understand that, since americans have, much possibly, the greatest and easiest access to information in the world.

 

But was that directed to me? I mean, I wasn't even in the discussion. :P

[FuBai]

I've noticed many posts pointing out that anything that is powerfull, is, therefore, a menace. I agree, but I whish to redirect the argument - is America a menace to other states in that they are likley to act upon thier power in a manner that may impact adversley or unfairly on other states.

[caligula101]

Ok shutup kid. The reason we don't go to war with Cuba is because they have no black gold a.k.a oil. Prior to the war Bush's main reason for going to war with Iraq was that they had weapons of mass destruction. When this was proved inconclusive he fell back on the line "But he was evil", like that gives the right for him to kill thousands of innocent Iraqi's. Shutup and get your facts straight before you flame someone.

 

 

 

For the record if anyone is wondering, I am not a kid -.- . You should consider getting your facts strait befor you flame someone. I wasn't flaming you I was just responding to you. Where do you get off saying that we killed thousands of inncocent Iraqis? Prove to me we've killed inncocents. Your obviousley some racist git who isn't open to change and only wants to believe America is some sort of menace. So in the name of keeping things nice around here please "Shut up kid" and leave this topic.

 

 

 

Firstly don't tell me to get my facts straight and miss spell the word "straight". Secondly you tell me you are just responding to my post shortly followed by you calling me a racist git which I find insulting. Oh and thirdly you wanted proof:

 

 

 

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

 

 

 

I hope that's proof enough for you, I think it's quite accurate.

[icantcmyeye]

To support caligula's point, the president said that 30,000 civilians had died in the iraqi conflict in a press conference.

[Not]

In the above arguement, no our military probably haven't killed 30,000 civilians directly. But our actions have led to a majority of these deaths, the destabalization of Iraq led to suicide bombings and sectarian violence. So I'll give credit where credit is due, the blood is on our hands.

[icantcmyeye]

not only had we destabalized iraq, but by removing iraq from the scene we have destabalized the entire middle east. the current conflict in israel has been linked by many back to iran, who was incapable of doing anything because of the balance of power it shared with iraq.

[hohto]

not only had we destabalized iraq, but by removing iraq from the scene we have destabalized the entire middle east. the current conflict in israel has been linked by many back to iran, who was incapable of doing anything because of the balance of power it shared with iraq.

 

 

 

Destabilized by killing 40,000+ civilians, destroying their infrastructure, driving them into a civil war and so on? Even tho Iraq wasn't a good place while Saddam was in lead, I can tell you that it would have been better for normal iraqians that you had stayed away from their lands. You can always talk about genocides, plans of building nuclear weapons and bringing democracy, but do you even believe in them by yourself? If you ask me, you've caused enough death there, you got nuclear weapons (and so does your comrade Israel) and how can you talk about bringing democracy to Iraq while you support Saudi Arabia?

 

 

 

 

 

No war is started because of bringing democracy/whatever to some place. You aren't there to help innocent iraqians. Just like every war, you are there to gain something to your own use. First of all Iraq has oil and you need that stuff probably more than any other country in the whole world. 2nd, it's a good satellite country (or a proxy country, same meaning) which has boarders with other oil countries.

 

 

 

Btw it's funny how UN can't even get a statement on the strike where Israel had hit a UN base. If you want to get an explanation why hasn't there been anything, think of these 2 words: USA&veto.

[Guest GhostRanger]

not only had we destabalized iraq, but by removing iraq from the scene we have destabalized the entire middle east. the current conflict in israel has been linked by many back to iran, who was incapable of doing anything because of the balance of power it shared with iraq.

 

 

 

Destabilized by killing 40,000+ civilians, destroying their infrastructure, driving them into a civil war and so on? Even tho Iraq wasn't a good place while Saddam was in lead, I can tell you that it would have been better for normal iraqians that you had stayed away from their lands. You can always talk about genocides, plans of building nuclear weapons and bringing democracy, but do you even believe in them by yourself? If you ask me, you've caused enough death there, you got nuclear weapons (and so does your comrade Israel) and how can you talk about bringing democracy to Iraq while you support Saudi Arabia?

 

 

 

 

 

No war is started because of bringing democracy/whatever to some place. You aren't there to help innocent iraqians. Just like every war, you are there to gain something to your own use. First of all Iraq has oil and you need that stuff probably more than any other country in the whole world. 2nd, it's a good satellite country (or a proxy country, same meaning) which has boarders with other oil countries.

 

 

 

Btw it's funny how UN can't even get a statement on the strike where Israel had hit a UN base. If you want to get an explanation why hasn't there been anything, think of these 2 words: USA&veto.

 

 

 

I agree that we can't say our primary reason for invading Iraq was to help Iraqis... I think we have helped them in the long run, but that's not why I supported the war so strongly. I supported it because it's in our best interests (internationally) to not have Saddam in power. But I split hairs with you when you say it was for oil...I can't accept the "it was for oil" charade until gas prices go back to where they were before the war. I'm paying almost double for gas before we invaded Iraq - surely easier access to oil wouldn't raise prices.

[hohto]

But I split hairs with you when you say it was for oil...I can't accept the "it was for oil" charade until gas prices go back to where they were before the war. I'm paying almost double for gas before we invaded Iraq - surely easier access to oil wouldn't raise prices.

 

 

 

Heh, the thing is that they don't get oil so their citizens would get it cheaper :P The thing is that they need oil to support their lifestyle and army. Oil will be worth even more in future and when the first signs of oil chrisis appear, USA has a good store of it at Iraq.

[icantcmyeye]

not only had we destabalized iraq, but by removing iraq from the scene we have destabalized the entire middle east. the current conflict in israel has been linked by many back to iran, who was incapable of doing anything because of the balance of power it shared with iraq.

 

 

 

Destabilized by killing 40,000+ civilians, destroying their infrastructure, driving them into a civil war and so on? Even tho Iraq wasn't a good place while Saddam was in lead, I can tell you that it would have been better for normal iraqians that you had stayed away from their lands. You can always talk about genocides, plans of building nuclear weapons and bringing democracy, but do you even believe in them by yourself? If you ask me, you've caused enough death there, you got nuclear weapons (and so does your comrade Israel) and how can you talk about bringing democracy to Iraq while you support Saudi Arabia?

 

 

 

 

 

No war is started because of bringing democracy/whatever to some place. You aren't there to help innocent iraqians. Just like every war, you are there to gain something to your own use. First of all Iraq has oil and you need that stuff probably more than any other country in the whole world. 2nd, it's a good satellite country (or a proxy country, same meaning) which has boarders with other oil countries.

 

 

 

Btw it's funny how UN can't even get a statement on the strike where Israel had hit a UN base. If you want to get an explanation why hasn't there been anything, think of these 2 words: USA&veto.

 

 

 

what on gilenor are you talking about? i was saying that the iraq war was a bad idea that shattered the balance of power in the middle east. i was not in any way defending the actions of america.

 

 

 

I was never for the war with iraq. Yes they had WMD's at one time (ones that could not be used on any western nation), but they were dismantled after Cobra I. I agree with you 100% that Cobra II was only begun to fill the pockets of american big buisness.

 

 

 

After watching this scenario unfold for the past 5 years, it appears that america is trying to dismember the middle east. The only x-factor is that i cannot find any way at all that anyone in america would profit at all from this chaos. if i could, then maybe my theory would have some validity.

[PURESMITHER]

I'm sorry but I'm gonna throw my weight around now (no offense to anyone at all).

 

 

 

 

 

America has the dumbest Military ever. No offense to soildiers, its the leaders I'm talking about. America has enough Nuclear missiles to blow the world up 4 times over, now, why... would you need that?

 

 

 

Leaders: Uhhhh.... aliens?

 

 

 

America spent 15 years in a country which was over 100 times smaller than it, massacreing innocent women and children, killing and burning whatever they wanted. Yes I am talking about Vietnam. In 1968, US soilders attacked a village in Vietnam, coming in by helicopter to a village known as My Lai 4 and they lashed out at anyone they could find - 347 women, children and old men. No soilders, no-one to fight back. The soilders excuse:

 

 

 

We were just following orders.

 

 

 

In 1901 the USA wanted to take over the Phillipines:

 

 

 

Kill and burn! And the more you kill and the more you burn the more you will please me!

 

 

 

I am only 14, so I don't know a lot about the USAs weapons or opinions, I'm probably going to get banned for this, but in my view, North Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and all the others were the USA butting into other peoples wars. The problem is, Britain (thats where I live) is scared of the USA, it wants to stay allies with it and it "follows" the US into war, I don't want my country to "follow" other countries about!

 

 

 

In my opinion, the US should donate 10% of its troops to the UN. Because at the moment, the UN need it to keep peace in the world, and at the moment, the Un don't have enough troops to do that. Yes, in my opinion the US is being a menace, seeing itself as the one and only "superpower".

 

 

 

A few final quotes:

 

 

 

Yes, we've made mistakes in the past... but, by God, we're the greatest country on the face of this Earth - we always have been, we always will be!

 

 

 

I sent the US Army a good boy and they turned him into a murderer.

 

 

 

 

 

Once again I say no offense to anybody, if your in the army now, times gone by hopefuly won't happen again, sorry for the history lesson people, just thought I'd say how the worlds "only superpower" came to be.