America - benign or a menance?

[skishkabobjoe]

Hey! Im American. Ok.... I do admit that I think that our army is over there for the oil. But how would you feel if somebody was gonna fly a

 

plane into Big Ben, And Tower Bridge?

 

(And if you guys went and invaded Afghanistan and Iraq I would have your point of view) But now people are so frickin scared of planes now my dad makes 2/3s of what he used to make.

[FuBai]

 

I think the wars in Iraq and Afganistan were both justiable - although the war in Iraq was justified for the wrong reasons. To be honest, we need to cut the crap out of politics. We are invading Iraq to protect the western life style. Doesn't sound nice, doesn;t sound fair, and we have the luxury to whine about doing it because we are so well off we can afford to. If we were poor then defending our economic interests would be much closer to people's hearts, I feel, and to maintain our wealth we do this. I don;t want anyone coming back saying that it cost more to have the war than we gained - it protected against a monopoly on oil in the middle east, somethign which we cannot value so easily. The world is not a fair place - we are born stronger, weaker, more intelegent, more stupid, in better coutnries, in better families, to more money. With the advances of science it would be possible to reset all these factors, including hair colour, intelegnce and strength to the average. To make everythign fair. This does not seem desireable - we would become a clone race. Inequality is eternal, and therefore all attempts to eradictae it are doomed to failure. The world is not fair, we are not fair, we cannot afford to be fair, we must always look out for ourselves and our community.

 

 

 

That's one view on the war in Iraq - I felt it contributed to the debate.

[ice_ring]

Adult stem cells seem fine to me.

 

 

 

I also see nothing wrong with them. Embryonic stem cells are merely humans who haven't been born yet. They are alive, just like any human. Destroying them by the millions to possibly save (they have very few results compared to adult stem cells) a few thousand seems terribly unfair.

 

 

 

People are being stupid thinking that Bush wants to stop stem cell research altogether :uhh:

 

 

 

I doubt he even understands the actual meaning of stem cell research, he probably will just veto anything that containst the phrase. =;

[frizoid]

Hey! Im American. Ok.... I do admit that I think that our army is over there for the oil. But how would you feel if somebody was gonna fly a

 

plane into Big Ben, And Tower Bridge?

 

(And if you guys went and invaded Afghanistan and Iraq I would have your point of view) But now people are so frickin scared of planes now my dad makes 2/3s of what he used to make.

 

 

 

We HAD a terrorist attack in london last year, it didn't make us go over there and kill innocent people for their oil or did you forget that, what with it not being in your country and everything?

[caligula101]

I can see that there is a fair bit of Bush Bashing and American slanging. This is pretty fashionable in Europe at the moment. I would ask all posters to not do the following when they make comments:

 

 

 

Attack American because it is popular too

 

 

 

People attack America because what they have done is wrong. It's not because it's "fashionable", war isn't a piece of clothing. About the other nations going to war(Britain etc) , there would have been no war had America not gone to war so I don't know what this is about, siding the blame onto the europeans? Not only do Americans outnumber all the nations put together (in Iraq) but they were the first to declare war.

 

 

 

There is alot wrong with your philosphy of "if somethings popular it must be wrong". If I go out and murder a person i'm going to be very unpopular with the public, I suppose that makes what i did right? According to your philosphy it must do.

[FuBai]

 

 

 

There is alot wrong with your philosphy of "if somethings popular it must be wrong".

 

 

 

Dam! Did I say that? O, no, wait...I DIDN'T

 

 

 

I said do not attack america because it is fashionable,but feel free to attack if you feel that it is actualy wrong.

 

 

 

Really pay attention to what I say before you attempt refute.

[Faux]

Adult stem cells seem fine to me.

 

 

 

I also see nothing wrong with them. Embryonic stem cells are merely humans who haven't been born yet. They are alive, just like any human. Destroying them by the millions to possibly save (they have very few results compared to adult stem cells) a few thousand seems terribly unfair.

 

 

 

People are being stupid thinking that Bush wants to stop stem cell research altogether :uhh:

 

 

 

I doubt he even understands the actual meaning of stem cell research, he probably will just veto anything that containst the phrase. =;

 

 

 

He vetoed the public funding for collecting the embryonic stem cells. It's a moral issue. AFAIK, somatic stem cells would just as effective as embryonic stem cells, just no embryos being killed.

[FuBai]

Adult stem cells seem fine to me.

 

 

 

I also see nothing wrong with them. Embryonic stem cells are merely humans who haven't been born yet. They are alive, just like any human. Destroying them by the millions to possibly save (they have very few results compared to adult stem cells) a few thousand seems terribly unfair.

 

 

 

People are being stupid thinking that Bush wants to stop stem cell research altogether :uhh:

 

 

 

I doubt he even understands the actual meaning of stem cell research, he probably will just veto anything that containst the phrase. =;

 

 

 

He vetoed the public funding for collecting the embryonic stem cells. It's a moral issue. AFAIK, somatic stem cells would just as effective as embryonic stem cells, just no embryos being killed.

 

 

 

Yes, george Bush is a "born again christian". However, I think that we are in danger of moving off into the realms of stem cell research, which isn;t that realated.

[Quer_Skulll]

America is a menace because it spreads fear, fear by war, fear by power even fear by there media.

 

It is why the states are so threatening, if they keep going to war like this then how long will it take before they attack a country that is close or on neutral grounds?

 

And what's also threatening is that america takes sides in every war and either joins the war or supplies one side (or both) with weapons.

 

 

 

The reason why Europe has gone to war with america is because Europe ows it in a way.. tho more so in aiding in defense.

 

 

 

and the fact that allot of people say that there proud to be an american is very annoying to the rest of the world since america is just like all the other country only bigger more powerfull and more of a threat to the rest of the world but hey if your proud of that.. :-s

 

 

 

What's even more so irritating is the luck of historical and cultural knowledge of the rest of the world, only 6 percent of the people within the US have used there passport to travel out of the US and moste of the time they staid pretty close!

 

here you learn almoste every city and country in the world by name and place (not just the capitals) and allot of the world history and culture.

 

Yet from what i have learnd is that in the US they only teach that from within there own nation.

 

(Now i'm pretty sure this is true for moste of the U.S. tho it can differ from location and i might be wrong to)

 

lack of knowledge of your allies and enemy's is not a thing respected hence some flame the american

[FuBai]

America is a menace because it spreads fear, fear by war, fear by power even fear by there media.

 

It is why the states are so threatening, if they keep going to war like this then how long will it take before they attack a country that is close or on neutral grounds?

 

And what's also threatening is that america takes sides in every war and either joins the war or supplies one side (or both) with weapons.

 

 

 

The reason why Europe has gone to war with america is because Europe ows it in a way.. tho more so in aiding in defense.

 

 

 

and the fact that allot of people say that there proud to be an american is very annoying to the rest of the world since america is just like all the other country only bigger more powerfull and more of a threat to the rest of the world but hey if your proud of that.. :-s

 

 

 

What's even more so irritating is the luck of historical and cultural knowledge of the rest of the world, only 6 percent of the people within the US have used there passport to travel out of the US and moste of the time they staid pretty close!

 

here you learn almoste every city and country in the world by name and place (not just the capitals) and allot of the world history and culture.

 

Yet from what i have learnd is that in the US they only teach that from within there own nation.

 

(Now i'm pretty sure this is true for moste of the U.S. tho it can differ from location and i might be wrong to)

 

lack of knowledge of your allies and enemy's is not a thing respected hence some flame the american

 

 

 

In a survey conducted during the war in afganistan, 80% of americans did not know where afganistan was on the map, 20% of that 80% pointed to australia.

 

 

 

I have visted America three times, never yet evading the "oh gee, what a nice accent" thing that just really annoys me. Thier geographical knowledge is very, very limited - but when it somes to American Geography they are very good.

 

 

 

They have no history in comparison to europe either. All of the European countires (or people) have existed for thousands of years as a society. America was formed only a very short time ago.

[Kwisatz]

Well America go to war with anyone that don't fit into their ideology of der-moc-racy. They most of the time ignore the UN and are about as predictable as a cannon. I think by far they're the most dangerous, what we need is another wall street crash to stop them from creating more wars...

 

 

 

If Wall Street crashed, I'm sure whatever country you're in would be affected in some way.

 

 

 

America is by far the most powerful country, but that doesn't mean we don't have idiots running it. I'm actually debating moving to Canada when I get a little older. Health care here costs $900 a month (*?), the people running our country are Christian's with Christian ideals in mind, NOT governing ideals in mind, our very own leader is an open Christian who is going to veto a stem-cell bill pretty soon here that could help MILLIONS of people, just because his religion hints that doing it one way, which is the way they won't be doing it (killing babies, lol...) is wrong.

 

 

 

I'm wondering what happened to seperation of Chruch and State in this country. People all of a sudden want to pull the pledge of alegiance out of schools just because it says the word "God" (hint: When I was a kid, I didn't know the difference, 'tards...), and now Christians want to force all their beliefs into our government system because they think that God is being pushed out of everywhere. (hint: The Bible says this is what will happen, and soon after, you'll all be saved...WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING? Scared? Thought so.)

 

 

 

If that Stem Cell bill gets vetoed by George Bush, I swear...I'm going to be angry. He has no right to veto something just because it goes against his religious beliefs, which is exactly the only reason he'd be doing it. He is obligated to put the people's needs ahead of his idealogy. (HAAA!)

 

 

 

Anywhoos...To answer the question, yes, America is a neusance, but only to ourselves. If our leader never started some imaginary problem to go to war, gas would still be $1.50 a gallon and everyone wouldn't be pissed off. Forcing democracy on people is something I laugh about, because honestly: Why should we care? It may sound mean, but it isn't our damned problem. If we were really doing it to help the PEOPLE out, North Korea would have been before Iraq. NK's leader is starving his people to death, yet we've done nothing there, so...Whatever.

 

 

 

Glad to see I'm not the only one. I don't really know enough about the issues to determine what's going on with our government, but it seems as though Canada has laxer laws that keep people safer with regard to legal copyright use, etc. so that we don't have the RIAA telling us that we can't mix CDs. That and I want some more snow than two inches, and I don't want every business to close when we get a forecast of solid precipitation.

[Mr_Putter]

Any country with the power to influence almost the rest of the world, that is developed, has a reasonable economy, a high population, and by far the highest military strength can obviously have the potential to be a threat...

 

 

 

...but it's not like they run this planet, and they're not bent on world domination. And personally I'd rather have that amount of power in the hands of America than in the hands of a bombing-happy country.

[Faux]

Any country with the power to influence almost the rest of the world, that is developed, has a reasonable economy, a high population, and by far the highest military strength can obviously have the potential to be a threat...

 

 

 

...but it's not like they run this planet, and they're not bent on world domination. And personally I'd rather have that amount of power in the hands of America than in the hands of a bombing-happy country.

 

 

 

I completely agree. I don't understand how people can group the US with countries such as North Korea that has opressed its citizens so much or something like Iran who funds terrorists groups.

 

 

 

Man, I'm not one to like the US, but what people say about it is so damn silly.

[Kwisatz]

Any country with the power to influence almost the rest of the world, that is developed, has a reasonable economy, a high population, and by far the highest military strength can obviously have the potential to be a threat...

 

 

 

...but it's not like they run this planet, and they're not bent on world domination. And personally I'd rather have that amount of power in the hands of America than in the hands of a bombing-happy country.

 

 

 

I completely agree. I don't understand how people can group the US with countries such as North Korea that has opressed its citizens so much or something like Iran who funds terrorists groups.

 

 

 

Man, I'm not one to like the US, but what people say about it is so damn silly.

 

 

 

What's even sillier is when its own citizens complain about how bad and evil it is, yet still live in it and pay taxes. If it was really that bad then they would try to escape "persecution" by "the man" and move to a different country.

[Anesthesia]

That's stupid BTTF_Man.

 

 

 

Perhaps they don't have the cash to move to another country.

 

 

 

Perhaps they think that the effort to move to another country is not worth it and that putting up with the problems of the one they're in would be less effort.

 

 

 

Perhaps they are not old enough to move to another country.

 

 

 

It is stupid to say 'if you don't like elements of this country, leave' because you should know it isn't as simple as that.

[Kwisatz]

That's stupid BTTF_Man.

 

 

 

Perhaps they don't have the cash to move to another country.

 

 

 

Perhaps they think that the effort to move to another country is not worth it and that putting up with the problems of the one they're in would be less effort.

 

 

 

Perhaps they are not old enough to move to another country.

 

 

 

It is stupid to say 'if you don't like elements of this country, leave' because you should know it isn't as simple as that.

 

 

 

The people I am talking about believe that the country is really run by evil Christian leftists who are conspiring with bin Laden to bring down the world by refusing to help those with cancer by not using stem cells and then taking away all ownership of rifles so you can't go plinking with a .22 in the middle of a densely-populated suburban area, and that we are all going to be eliminated by the gestapo-esque police if we don't rebel and turn the Southern half of America back into a confederacy and legalize pot.

 

 

 

If that really was the case then I don't think people would be very much worried about their legal or financial situation; it'd be "get the hell out of there." If it's bad enough they'll leave regardless of their legal or monetary ability to do so. It's alright if you think that the country could be run a bit better, but if you think that the country is going to explode and that's what you preach then why are you still living here?

 

 

 

Many people fled Korea and Vietnam when the war came there illegally, despite the fact that they might not have been legally able to or that they didn't have enough money. If somebody truly believes that the US is going to start WWIII and that the States are going to get bombed to smithereens then they should shut up with their political preaching, save everybody the trouble of listening to their mindless drivel and get their stupid selves to somewhere else.

[Tigra00]

Pianofreak, before you call me an idiot, I challenge you.

 

 

 

Prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt, using scientiifical evidence, NOT religious babble, that a cell is a human life. It isn't. Plain and simple. It simply has POTENTIAL to be human life. There isn't even a gaurentee.

 

 

 

A cell is a cell, dude. We all started as ONE cell. That single cell isn't killing a human, it's killing a cell. That's it. Just because it has the potential to become human doesn't mean it is one. It isn't murder.

 

 

 

We need to continue research to better our people. If you became paralyzed, or needed a new liver, would you not want some help? Probably not...You're so wrapped up in the bible you'd probably welcome death. Failure.

 

 

 

I believe in God just as much as anyone else who does, the thing is I know where to draw the line. People need this research to help them. You're merely in the freakin' way. And guess what the beauty of it is? You can bet your lucky stars there are scientists doing it anyways, despite your whining! They simply can't be public about it. Isn't is grand that noone cares? Why you people even care is beyond me. It will help millions upon millions of people, not a mere thousand. And it won't be killing a million babies, it'll be "killing" X number of cells. Babies are aborted everyday and you're whining about a CELL being killed? Unbelievable. If you want to whine, whine about aborted, 1-5 month old fetus's. THAT is not cool. That is OBVIOUSLY a human. A cell is not. Sorry. Biology 101.

[Anesthesia]

t's alright if you think that the country could be run a bit better, but if you think that the country is going to explode and that's what you preach then why are you still living here?

 

 

 

Don't know if you mean me in particular, but I'm not. I never have, and I'm glad about it.

[FuBai]

That's stupid BTTF_Man.

 

 

 

Perhaps they don't have the cash to move to another country.

 

 

 

Perhaps they think that the effort to move to another country is not worth it and that putting up with the problems of the one they're in would be less effort.

 

 

 

Perhaps they are not old enough to move to another country.

 

 

 

It is stupid to say 'if you don't like elements of this country, leave' because you should know it isn't as simple as that.

 

 

 

The people I am talking about believe that the country is really run by evil Christian leftists who are conspiring with bin Laden to bring down the world by refusing to help those with cancer by not using stem cells and then taking away all ownership of rifles so you can't go plinking with a .22 in the middle of a densely-populated suburban area, and that we are all going to be eliminated by the gestapo-esque police if we don't rebel and turn the Southern half of America back into a confederacy and legalize pot.

 

 

 

If that really was the case then I don't think people would be very much worried about their legal or financial situation; it'd be "get the hell out of there." If it's bad enough they'll leave regardless of their legal or monetary ability to do so. It's alright if you think that the country could be run a bit better, but if you think that the country is going to explode and that's what you preach then why are you still living here?

 

 

 

Many people fled Korea and Vietnam when the war came there illegally, despite the fact that they might not have been legally able to or that they didn't have enough money. If somebody truly believes that the US is going to start WWIII and that the States are going to get bombed to smithereens then they should shut up with their political preaching, save everybody the trouble of listening to their mindless drivel and get their stupid selves to somewhere else.

 

 

 

1) They may believe they can change the situtation by thier preaching, thus avoiding the calamity

 

 

 

2) Fiscal ability to leave is a big deciding factor in leaving or not, especialy when the situation is not immediate enough to require evacuation

 

 

 

3) It's not like you can just up and bugger off to where ever you feel like. Things like language, jobs, travelling illegaly has may dangers, worried about what they may face, being too young etc

 

 

 

4) do not attempt to characterise all extreme political activists as idiots. This is not true, allthough admittedly some are. Many academics have very politicaly extreme views that are quite sensible, or at least easliy justifiable.

[pianofrieak2]

Pianofreak, before you call me an idiot, I challenge you.

 

 

 

Prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt, using scientiifical evidence, NOT religious babble, that a cell is a human life. It isn't. Plain and simple. It simply has POTENTIAL to be human life. There isn't even a gaurentee.

 

 

 

A cell is a cell, dude. We all started as ONE cell. That single cell isn't killing a human, it's killing a cell. That's it. Just because it has the potential to become human doesn't mean it is one. It isn't murder.

 

 

 

We need to continue research to better our people. If you became paralyzed, or needed a new liver, would you not want some help? Probably not...You're so wrapped up in the bible you'd probably welcome death. Failure.

 

 

 

I believe in God just as much as anyone else who does, the thing is I know where to draw the line. People need this research to help them. You're merely in the freakin' way. And guess what the beauty of it is? You can bet your lucky stars there are scientists doing it anyways, despite your whining! They simply can't be public about it. Isn't is grand that noone cares? Why you people even care is beyond me. It will help millions upon millions of people, not a mere thousand. And it won't be killing a million babies, it'll be "killing" X number of cells. Babies are aborted everyday and you're whining about a CELL being killed? Unbelievable. If you want to whine, whine about aborted, 1-5 month old fetus's. THAT is not cool. That is OBVIOUSLY a human. A cell is not. Sorry. Biology 101.

 

 

 

Lol, let's talk. If you don't bnelieve that life begins at conception, when DOES life begin? The "cell" as you call it is rapidly growing inside the mother's womb. For all purposes, it is alive.

 

 

 

I'm eager to hear what you say.

[Anesthesia]

Lol, let's talk. If you don't bnelieve that life begins at conception, when DOES life begin? The "cell" as you call it is rapidly growing inside the mother's womb. For all purposes, it is alive.

 

 

 

 

What did you eat today? Unless it was rocks then it was alive too.

[Kwisatz]

That's stupid BTTF_Man.

 

 

 

Perhaps they don't have the cash to move to another country.

 

 

 

Perhaps they think that the effort to move to another country is not worth it and that putting up with the problems of the one they're in would be less effort.

 

 

 

Perhaps they are not old enough to move to another country.

 

 

 

It is stupid to say 'if you don't like elements of this country, leave' because you should know it isn't as simple as that.

 

 

 

The people I am talking about believe that the country is really run by evil Christian leftists who are conspiring with bin Laden to bring down the world by refusing to help those with cancer by not using stem cells and then taking away all ownership of rifles so you can't go plinking with a .22 in the middle of a densely-populated suburban area, and that we are all going to be eliminated by the gestapo-esque police if we don't rebel and turn the Southern half of America back into a confederacy and legalize pot.

 

 

 

If that really was the case then I don't think people would be very much worried about their legal or financial situation; it'd be "get the hell out of there." If it's bad enough they'll leave regardless of their legal or monetary ability to do so. It's alright if you think that the country could be run a bit better, but if you think that the country is going to explode and that's what you preach then why are you still living here?

 

 

 

Many people fled Korea and Vietnam when the war came there illegally, despite the fact that they might not have been legally able to or that they didn't have enough money. If somebody truly believes that the US is going to start WWIII and that the States are going to get bombed to smithereens then they should shut up with their political preaching, save everybody the trouble of listening to their mindless drivel and get their stupid selves to somewhere else.

 

 

 

1) They may believe they can change the situtation by thier preaching, thus avoiding the calamity

 

 

 

2) Fiscal ability to leave is a big deciding factor in leaving or not, especialy when the situation is not immediate enough to require evacuation

 

 

 

3) It's not like you can just up and bugger off to where ever you feel like. Things like language, jobs, travelling illegaly has may dangers, worried about what they may face, being too young etc

 

 

 

4) do not attempt to characterise all extreme political activists as idiots. This is not true, allthough admittedly some are. Many academics have very politicaly extreme views that are quite sensible, or at least easliy justifiable.

 

 

 

Now, let's all READ FOR COMPREHENSION AND NOT TRY TO PULL STUFF OUT OF THIN AIR.

 

 

 

I did not characterize all extreme activists as idiots. In fact I said that the ones I'm talking about are the ones that make unreasonable arguments, hence the argument concerning plinking in a populated area. I'm talking abuot people who truly believe that the US is in a state of ruin and is going to be destroyed regardless of what happens in the near future. These kinds of people say "the Man has the Oval Office in his pocket and we will never get a good President elected and we're all screwed." They do not back up their arguments with anything, save anecdotal evidence and misconstrued quotations. I don't have any political affiliation, but I do believe that if you're going to criticize the government that you should do it rationally and, if you believe that bad things are going to happen, then rather than making noise for the sake of making noise and showing off your self-proclaimed superhoned intellect that you should get the heck out of the country.

 

 

 

That aside can they not preach from a foreign country, say, via the Internet? I believe that the web and blogs carry much more weight than they used to, and that almost anybody can simply go to Blogger and set up a new blog and post in just ten minutes.

 

 

 

What I'm getting at here is that many people whine and whine about how our President is a moron and that we're all going to die because we can't carry sawn-off shotguns on our person, and that all they're doing is giving themselves a cause to live because otherwise they have none and simply consume resources. For instance, a kid in my class was a self-proclaimed Neo-Nazi, as well as a huge Neil Young fan. Real smart too, nice guy. Problem is, he believed that the government was spying on him because he bought Mein Kompf off of the internet. He wants to take over Germany and re-organize it as a Communist state under his totalitarian rule. He sees himself as empowered, and yet when I ask him why he doesn't move to Germany to begin his world-conquering he invariably answers "my parents live here." So, let me get this straight - you want to turn Germany into essentially a wasteland, kill Jews, believe that you are able to make your own decisions and have little to no respect for authority, and yet you continue to live in our society, listen to adults who might have an idea of what's going on (and in the case of our school system many times don't), and refuse to leave our screwed, forsaken country?

 

 

 

Could he not jump onto a ship heading for another country? We live ten minutes from a huge complex of docks, an hour away from a humongous harbor (which he claims to go to every other weekend with his family that doesn't understand him at all) and he can't just sneak away from his evil unloving family which he has no respect for and jump onto a ship heading for somewhere else? Logistically it might be a bit difficult but if things are as terrible as he makes them out to be and he wants to take over Germany it should be relatively simple, especially for an intellect as great as his.

 

 

 

These are the kinds of people I am talking about. They are extreme and make no sense. It's alright if you don't like the Social Security reforms, but if you think we're all going to die because our President is a redneck who can't pronounce nuclear then you should stop trying to be smart with everyone and just go somewhere else.

[pianofrieak2]

Lol, let's talk. If you don't bnelieve that life begins at conception, when DOES life begin? The "cell" as you call it is rapidly growing inside the mother's womb. For all purposes, it is alive.

 

 

 

 

What did you eat today? Unless it was rocks then it was alive too.

 

 

 

Actually, it was rocks. How'd you guess? :roll:

 

 

 

Now, that was one of the dumbest comments I've seen. Let's see:

 

1. You can't murder plants or animals since murder is killing another human being.

 

2. According to the Bible, God GAVE us the plants and animals for our enjoyment. If we want to eat them, then we can go ahead and eat them.

 

 

 

Let me and Tigra carry on our own conversation without you coming in and flaming everyone who disagrees with your viewpoint.

[Omegaham]

I've gathered a few quotes that stood out (the ones that I disagree with or thought were excellent) and put my comments in.

 

 

 

caligula101 wrote:

 

Well America go to war with anyone that don't fit into their ideology of der-moc-racy. They most of the time ignore the UN and are about as predictable as a cannon. I think by far they're the most dangerous, what we need is another wall street crash to stop them from creating more wars...

 

 

 

Great. So what are you supposed to do when Al Qaeda kills thousands of people? Slap them on the hand? Send them an angry letter? Seriously. The reason why we defied the UN was because people like the French (cheese-eating surrender monkeys, to quote Groundskeeper Willie) had a say in what was going on. Well, plenty of people supported us, as there are plenty of other countries in Iraq.

 

 

 

Tigra00 wrote:

 

 

If that Stem Cell bill gets vetoed by George Bush, I swear...I'm going to be angry. He has no right to veto something just because it goes against his religious beliefs, which is exactly the only reason he'd be doing it. He is obligated to put the people's needs ahead of his idealogy. (HAAA!)

 

Anywhoos...To answer the question, yes, America is a neusance, but only to ourselves. If our leader never started some imaginary problem to go to war, gas would still be $1.50 a gallon and everyone wouldn't be pissed off. Forcing democracy on people is something I laugh about, because honestly: Why should we care? It may sound mean, but it isn't our damned problem. If we were really doing it to help the PEOPLE out, North Korea would have been before Iraq. NK's leader is starving his people to death, yet we've done nothing there, so...Whatever.

 

 

 

First of all, George Bush has NEVER vetoed a bill during his presidency. He's like a parent who will wear a blindfold when you give him your crappy report card.

 

 

 

For your second point, Bush really doesn't have the power to declare war. He's the commander-in-chief, but he delegates the power to his generals. CONGRESS declares war. Not Bush.

 

As for North Korea, they haven't done anything to hurt us. Unless one of their (badly made) missiles actually hit us, we aren't going to attack a country with one of the largest standing armies in the world.

 

 

 

Rose_2_Pure wrote:

 

As for the war, we went in for the right reason, but are staying there for the wrong I think. Instead of trying to keep a stable government for another country we should be hunting Al Quaida.

 

 

 

First point is good, (we went in there to kick terrorist [wagon]) second isn't. We are staying in right now because we made a mess in there, and now have to clean it up. The Baa'th (sp?) Party is still quite powerful, and if we leave, then the terrorists will flock to the same oppressive regime.

 

 

 

Nick_6464 wrote:

 

The US presidental voting thing, sucks. CA gets 10 ponits, New York gets 3 (just examples) thats just stupid...

 

 

 

It has to do with population. California has 30 million people, New York has 10 million. Hmmmmm......

 

 

 

Redserpent4 wrote:

 

I have nothing against America, its the leader of the country who i dislike. I consider America to be as much of a threat to world peace as I consider Russia, largely due to Bush.

 

On the other side much of western Europe along with Japan, Australia and New Zealand will support America and it is there that we have a global war. This is all speculation but it is far from impossible and given that it all hinges on America's decisions to get involved, I consider Americas choices the most important and therefore dangerous of the lot.

 

Aw, man... Another Bush-basher. :( He doesn't have as much power as most people think. He's like the captain. He delegates the duties, and (tries to) lend a helping hand. The fact that he's an idiot doesn't help, but doesn't do much in the big scheme of things.

 

Russia isn't a threat to world peace anymore. They're more occupied with feeding their people.

 

As for your second point, it wouldn't be much of a world war... more like a gang-bang. Hmm... World vs. Iran. I wonder who's gonna win? (not that the US is going to invade, just using it as an example)

 

 

 

Nick_6464 wrote:

 

Then why do we have borders, countries? Why not make 1 huge nation.

 

 

 

 

Hoo boy.. If we did that, we'd have an economy like that of Norway. High taxes, flat-line economy. I seriously don't want to support the whole of Africa with my tax dollars.

 

 

 

SLOWSTORM wrote:

 

Are we dangerous? Absolutely, and we like to stay that way. To terrorists.

 

 

 

 

Excellent point. :) Mua ha ha.

 

 

 

Frizoid wrote:

 

We HAD a terrorist attack in london last year, it didn't make us go over there and kill innocent people for their oil or did you forget that, what with it not being in your country and everything?

 

 

 

From the country who is our foremost ally in the war in Iraq. 'Nuff said.

 

 

 

Caligula101 wrote:

 

People attack America because what they have done is wrong. It's not because it's "fashionable", war isn't a piece of clothing. About the other nations going to war(Britain etc) , there would have been no war had America not gone to war so I don't know what this is about, siding the blame onto the europeans? Not only do Americans outnumber all the nations put together (in Iraq) but they were the first to declare war.

 

 

Opinions are fashionable. So is music. It's a fact of life.

 

Agreeing to support a nation that is declaring war is coupled with agreeing to the reason for declaring war.

 

 

 

Quer_Skulll wrote:

 

America is a menace because it spreads fear, fear by war, fear by power even fear by there media.

 

It is why the states are so threatening, if they keep going to war like this then how long will it take before they attack a country that is close or on neutral grounds?

 

And what's also threatening is that america takes sides in every war and either joins the war or supplies one side (or both) with weapons.

 

 

I'll agree with the media part. Our media sucks.

 

We attack countries that we believe are threats to our nations. Iraq and Afghanistan were sheltering terrorists, therefore they are threats. Iran is trying to make nukes, they have a not-so-friendly attitude towards Israel, (our buddy) therefore they are a threat. We don't attack nations for no reason. It's expensive, and the public isn't going to go along with it.

 

 

 

 

 

Quer_Skulll wrote:

 

What's even more so irritating is the luck of historical and cultural knowledge of the rest of the world, only 6 percent of the people within the US have used there passport to travel out of the US and moste of the time they staid pretty close!

 

here you learn almoste every city and country in the world by name and place (not just the capitals) and allot of the world history and culture.

 

 

 

How sad. In a study in Texan public schools, 20% of students couldn't find Mexico on a map. Can you say "ignorant?" However, don't bash America for it. Call the ignorant people "stupid" and move on. Don't bash a country for a minority of students. After all, where did the people who couldn't find Afghanistan go to school? If it were in an inner-city school, you'd get a lot worse of a result than if you were to quiz a suburban region.

 

 

 

BTTF_Man wrote:

 

What's even sillier is when its own citizens complain about how bad and evil it is, yet still live in it and pay taxes. If it was really that bad then they would try to escape "persecution" by "the man" and move to a different country.

 

 

 

Excellent point. People vote with their feet. That's why we have borders. You don't like it, move to Canada. They have plenty of space up there.

 

 

 

Anesthesia wrote:

 

Perhaps they don't have the cash to move to another country.

 

 

 

Perhaps they think that the effort to move to another country is not worth it and that putting up with the problems of the one they're in would be less effort.

 

 

 

Perhaps they are not old enough to move to another country.

 

 

 

It is stupid to say 'if you don't like elements of this country, leave' because you should know it isn't as simple as that.

 

 

 

Actually, it is simple as that. Most people who publicise their views on the subject probably have enough money to leave. As for preaching, can you name someone who will listen to a hysteric idiot who flames everyone's views but their own with insults and slogans?

 

 

 

Well, that's my view. I think that we are perfectly justified in invading, and we aren't a threat to anything except the people who are trying to kill us (and the civillians who are caught in the war, but that's life. :| ) I dislike the people who flame us for being ignorant, as there are plenty of ignorant people in the world who aren't in the USA. Remember, many countries send their graduates to study here, right?

 

 

 

I'm not even going to show my opinions on stem-cell research, as it's not really a debatable topic. You either support it or you don't. The only thing you get from a debate like that is a flame war of "murderer" and "insensitive" and "idiot" and "impractical" phrases zooming around the board.

 

 

 

Yeah, this is a long post. If you finished reading this, you get an enormous cookie. Or a pie. Or a cake. Or a big vial of tear gas in the face. I really don't care.

 

 

 

So...... This topic does not include pork, therefore it sucks.

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How sad. In a study in Texan public schools, 20% of students couldn't find Mexico on a map. Can you say "ignorant?"

 

 

 

Was the test written in English? :P Lol jk. Actually, I've hard whites are going to be a minority in Texas in a few years if illegal immigrants keep coming over the border.