Ubuntu Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 Have you ever looked out at the stars and felt very, very small? Here's a video that triples that feeling. It shows the galaxies of the Universe scattered like dust... floating around, with silent emptiness as well. A lonely, giant, empty Universe a few tiny, insignificant humans. http://revver.com/video/34551 What are we worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runepaladn Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 this post is emo... well, go check out this site http://www.hopeisemo.com you'll learn a lot about life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue107 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 almost all of that is estimated, especially when it got to looking onto the leaf 485th person to ever play RuneScapeBlue107- perm banned 10/12/2007. $300 USD reward if you can get me in contact with someone who will take 5 seconds to look at evidence and get my original character unbanned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_OnE Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 Yes, we make up only a tiny fraction of the universe but whatever. I liked the vid though. It was cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigra00 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 One would think it would be impossible, probability wise, that we were the ONLY life, period. There is just so much stuff out there... The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WutangFlu Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 after it hit nanometer i had no idea what the thingies were.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_Allen Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 if the universe is endless(infinate) then there are endless(infinate) posssabilties of more life out there. but i know what ur saying. Engl1sh of RSAllianceGoals Att 80 - Str 80 - Def 80 - Slayer 85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigra00 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 if the universe is endless(infinate) then there are endless(infinate) posssabilties of more life out there. but i know what ur saying. Well, the Universe doesn't just spontaniously create life whilst expanding. The matter that is here already is the matter that has been here since day 1. I find it highly unlikely that there isn't another planet out there that is very similar to ours. I know our planet in itself was a miracle, being that if it was off by X measurement, life wouldn't have been possible...But there's gotta be another one out there. :P The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_Allen Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 if the universe is endless(infinate) then there are endless(infinate) posssabilties of more life out there. but i know what ur saying. Well, the Universe doesn't just spontaniously create life whilst expanding. The matter that is here already is the matter that has been here since day 1. I find it highly unlikely that there isn't another planet out there that is very similar to ours. I know our planet in itself was a miracle, being that if it was off by X measurement, life wouldn't have been possible...But there's gotta be another one out there. :P yeah but the bigger the universe the bigger chance there is of life being out there. if the universe is endless then so are the possabilities Engl1sh of RSAllianceGoals Att 80 - Str 80 - Def 80 - Slayer 85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katha610 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 the thought alone that the universe is endless (as of what we know) is fascinating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_Allen Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 the thought alone that the universe is endless (as of what we know) is fascinating remember a couple of hundred yrs ago we thought the world was flat maybe its the same with space.. Engl1sh of RSAllianceGoals Att 80 - Str 80 - Def 80 - Slayer 85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy500fan Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 yeah but the bigger the universe the bigger chance there is of life being out there. if the universe is endless then so are the possabilities the amount of "space" is endless, but the amount of energy and matter is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubuntu Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 the thought alone that the universe is endless (as of what we know) is fascinating remember a couple of hundred yrs ago we thought the world was flat maybe its the same with space.. It's actually been 2500 years since Pythagoras first theorized the Earth is round. I've been through the history of geodesy with the Flat Earth Society... :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4u689 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 Then doesn't that give us more meaning? :D The world is floating, it seems so... nothing... full of rocks floating around... and there's us. There's consciousness. We give meaning to the entire universe! We make this moment in time - these few hundred thousand years of our existence - important! Everybody hug and spread the love :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubuntu Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 this post is emo... well, go check out this site [podcast url] you'll learn a lot about life I hate emo's... I'm definitely not "emo." Since when did anything vaguely existential get taken over by kids who wear makeup to handle their issues? :boohoo: I bet very few goths or emo's even know what "existential" means... :roll: :3> Love life, kids... \ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubuntu Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 Then doesn't that give us more meaning? :D The world is floating, it seems so... nothing... full of rocks floating around... and there's us. There's consciousness. We give meaning to the entire universe! We make this moment in time - these few hundred thousand years of our existence - important! Yet there is no importance beyond ourselves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralus Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 Then doesn't that give us more meaning? :D The world is floating, it seems so... nothing... full of rocks floating around... and there's us. There's consciousness. We give meaning to the entire universe! We make this moment in time - these few hundred thousand years of our existence - important! Yet there is no importance beyond ourselves... What do you even mean when you say that? I'm trying to think up an arguement to your point, whatever it may be. But I don't know what it is, so I can't. Basically I think you're going through the 'why are we here?' phase. Fact is, we are. Get used to it. La lune ne garde aucune rancune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4u689 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 Then doesn't that give us more meaning? :D The world is floating, it seems so... nothing... full of rocks floating around... and there's us. There's consciousness. We give meaning to the entire universe! We make this moment in time - these few hundred thousand years of our existence - important! Yet there is no importance beyond ourselves... Ubuntu, do you know what existential really means? Because from what I've read of existentialists (particularly Nietzsche, who I find myself agreeing with most), they believe that there doesn't need to be any importance beyond yourself. You give meaning to your own life! Your existence is a piece of art, and you yourself are the artist. That's the subtle difference between nihilism and existentialism - there may not be any importance beyond ourselves, but there doesn't need to be. We ourselves justify existence! Everybody hug and spread the love :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubsa Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 Don't know about you, but I think I'm groovier than 80% of the other little "specks" in the Universe \ That's reason enough for me! :D This is how much you all raised for charity. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOV Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 The greatest mystery the universe offers is not life but Size. Size encompasses life, and the Tower encompasses Size. The child, who is most at home with wonder, says: Daddy, what is above the sky? And the father says: The darkness of space. The child: What is beyond space? The father: The galaxy. The child: Beyond the galaxy? The father: Another galaxy. The child: Beyond the other galaxies? The father: No one knows. You see? Size defeats us. For the fish, the lake in which he lives is the universe. What does the fish think when he is jerked up by the mouth through the silver limits of existence and into a new universe where the air drowns him and the light is blue madness? Where hugh bipeds with no gills stuff it into a suffocating box and cover it with wet weeds to die? Or one might take the point of a pencil and magnify it. One reaches the point where a stunning realization strikes home: The pencil point is not solid; it is composed of atoms which whirl and revolve like a trillion demon planets. What seems solid to us is actually only a loose net held together by gravitation. Shrunk to the correct size, the distances between these atoms might become leagues, gulfs, aeons. The atoms themselves are composed of nuclei and revolving protons and electrons. One may step down further to subatomic particles. And then to what? Tachyons? Nothing? Of course not. Everything in the universe denies nothing; to suggest conclusions to things is one impossibility. If you fell outward to the limit of the universe, would you find a board fence and signs reading DEAD END? No. You might find something hard and rounded, as the chick must see the egg from the inside. And if you should peck through that shell, what great and torrential light might shine through your hole at the end of space? Might you look through and discover our entire universe is but part of one atom on a blade of grass? Might you be forced to think that by burning a twig you incinerate an eternity of eternities? That existence rises not to one infinite but to an infinity of them? Perhaps you saw what place our universe plays in the scheme of things ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢â∠I know the price. I pay it gladly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubuntu Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 Then doesn't that give us more meaning? :D The world is floating, it seems so... nothing... full of rocks floating around... and there's us. There's consciousness. We give meaning to the entire universe! We make this moment in time - these few hundred thousand years of our existence - important! Yet there is no importance beyond ourselves... What do you even mean when you say that? I'm trying to think up an arguement to your point, whatever it may be. But I don't know what it is, so I can't. Basically I think you're going through the 'why are we here?' phase. Fact is, we are. Get used to it. To say we give meaning to the entire Universe is faulty. If we are the only lifeforms, then the rest of the Universe is inanimate and has no sense of meaning or importance - or anything! Importance and meaning can only exist in oneself, in the mind. We give importance to ourselves, not rocks drifting light eons away. Actually the depressing note of the message was mostly bait for the topic. :twisted: I have always been intensely curios about all manner of things, which is why I have been learning and thinking about philosophy, physics, psychology, biology, and anatomy (especially neurology) for all my years. To look at things as objectively as possible, the purpose of all life forms is to a) stay alive, B) keep offspring alive, and c) keep the species (and indirectly, other species) alive. Every thought, emotion, action, and sense is for no other purpose than a) survival of the individual, B) survival of the offspring, and c) survival of the species (and other species). Ergo, the meaning of life is life itself, the meaning of existence, to exist. From a subjective standpoint (remember, even objectivity is subjective), this may not seem very satisfying. At this point you need to evaluate the reasons you want to know the meaning of life. If it is purely human curiosity, charge on! Let's consider that the Universe and life has a purpose outside of itself. That means that something has to exist outside the Universe and life. And THEN there has to be a purpose to whatever that is. It's easier for it to have a purpose with itself, just as it is more logical for Universe to have always existed than to have an infinite number of gods to create the Universe and the god before them. It makes more sense to have a brain within our heads than a little man inside our skulls with another little man in his... It's more plausible to have an Earth floating on its own without "turtles all the way down." The intention for this topic was discussing the emptiness of space, not so much the meaning of life, or the actual value of human life... but they all tie into each other. It is much easier to find personal happiness and meaning to your own life in a colourful and beautiful, full and populated Earth then the empty, chilling depths of space. And mostly existentialists are dark and depressing, but in a much better way than goths and emo's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragen Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 The Universe may be massive and empty and we may be small as individuals. But we arn't alone. We have each other and even if as a planet we are alone, as people we are together. Thanks Venomai for this super sig and Kwimbob for the awesome avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubuntu Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 The Universe may be massive and empty and we may be small as individuals. But we arn't alone. We have each other and even if as a planet we are alone, as people we are together. The Earth has few years left, the Sun has a few billion, the Universe, only 10^25, each one of us only 100. We are endlessly mortal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oy_the_Great Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 after it hit nanometer i had no idea what the thingies were.. DNA strings -> P-molecules -> atoms -> electrons, neutrons and protons -> stuff that looks like a pink kitty -> more stuff. Bill Hicks[/url]":dhj2kan9]Since the one thing we can say about fundamental matter is, that it is vibrating. And since all vibrations are theoretically sound, then it is not unreasonable to suggest that the universe is music and should be perceived as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam007 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 That was very nicely written VOV. :) On the whole "is life out there" issue, I'd stake my life on it that there is. I wouldn't on intelligent life because that requires so much more evolution and luck, but there's definitely life out there. I think one of the reasons that video was so good is because of the wide variety of responses people have to it - even in this topic we've covered the size of things in terms of how big and small everything is, exisistentialism, all kinds of theories from that video. Anything that can make people think that much is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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