why north korea is determined on being annoying

[DaN]

If America is the world military super power, they should prove it by invading China - the home of the worlds largest armed forces.

 

 

 

China has over a billion people they could double there forces very quickly with that sort of labor at hand. They use manpower to do most things we'd use machines for the introduction of these machines would allow china to free up an incredibly large work force who could then go into other areas such as weapons manufacturing.

[Guest GhostRanger]

If America is the world military super power, they should prove it by invading China - the home of the worlds largest armed forces.

 

 

 

That doesn't make sense. You're assuming that to be the military super power it means that your infantry would be able to overpower any other infantry in the world, and discounting everything else that is taken into account when determing who might be the military super power.

 

 

 

The US owns the world about as much as the Democratic Republic of the Congo does. Its economy is practically running on the goodwill of China and the rest of its trading partners, just like everyone else's. This is the 21st century, and we have something called the global economy. It's been around for some time.

 

 

 

The good will of China? They don't make our products dirt cheap out of good will - they do it because its economically beneficial to them. And you know what? China is slowly overtaking the US as the economic hedgemon (sp?).

 

 

 

The US was the dominant force in the global world/economy long before we started outsourcing to China. Your point is nonsensical.

[____]

If America is the world military super power, they should prove it by invading China - the home of the worlds largest armed forces.

 

 

 

That doesn't make sense. You're assuming that to be the military super power it means that your infantry would be able to overpower any other infantry in the world, and discounting everything else that is taken into account when determing who might be the military super power.

No, I'm just starting that China has near twice as many people in the armed forces as America. And the Chinese aren't exactly a push-over in wars.

 

 

 

People simply assume the USA holds the top spot because it goes out starting wars all the time. No matter if the opposing force is lacking in both armed personnel and firepower :hsugh:

[BlueLancer]

The United States is the world MILITARY SUPERPOWER hand down! If the y go down Canada is going down with them (about 70% of the economy last time I checked). The US economy runs on war machines (I wont go into detail), if the y stop making them they go down. Plus the states can protect Canada what with are small army and all :) :

 

 

 

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html

 

 

 

The United States

 

 

 

Manpower available for military service:

 

males age 18-49: 67,742,879

 

females age 18-49: 67,070,144 (2005 est.)

 

Total: 134,813,023 (134.8 million)

 

 

 

China

 

 

 

Manpower available for military service:

 

males age 18-49: 342,956,265

 

females age 18-49: 324,701,244 (2005 est.)

 

 

 

Total 667,657,509 (667.6 million)

 

 

 

Not only that, but China actually does train female troops and the numbers can't be even compared to the US army where only a few percent are female.

 

 

 

 

Economy

 

 

 

The United States

 

 

 

GDP (purchasing power parity):

 

$12.36 trillion (2005 est.)

 

GDP - real growth rate:

 

3.5% (2005 est.)

 

 

 

China

 

 

 

GDP (purchasing power parity):

 

$8.859 trillion (2005 est.)

 

GDP - real growth rate:

 

9.9% (official data) (2005 est.)

 

 

 

Guess who's taking over the economical hegemony of the world in the next 10 to 20 years?

 

 

 

 

Population

 

 

 

The United States:

 

 

 

298,444,215

 

 

 

China:

 

 

 

1,313,973,713

 

 

 

 

Pretty soon after asian countries start developing, the USA will start meaning less and less since no company will want to pick a country like USA to work in when you have to pay wages like $3000 a month to somebody when a guy in China could do the same job with better motivation for $1500 a month. And after wages start rising in China too, it's becoming the real superpower in the world.

 

 

 

Good incentive to start learning the chinese language...? I've been thinking about it. In our lifetime it's going to be at least as important as English.

 

 

 

Canada is going down with them (about 70% of the economy last time I checked)

 

 

 

Um, no. Canada is far larger than the US, it's just very densely populated. It has about 30 million people, which is 10% of what USA has. It's economy is about $1 trillion, which is just a bit under 10% of what USA has. Comparing the two, Canada is just as self-sufficient and powerful on a comparable scale. Their military isn't too weak either.

[Guest GhostRanger]

People simply assume the USA holds the top spot because it goes out starting wars all the time. No matter if the opposing force is lacking in both armed personnel and firepower :hsugh:

 

 

 

That's just you making something up. I don't know anyone who thinks the US is the top military superpower because of how many wars we have entered. I think it has to do with the fact that the United States triumphed the last World War, and the last war between the two super powers (US and Russia at the time) was triumphed by the US. The United States has effectively proven its military power - and neither of those instances had anything to do with how many troops we had.

[caligula101]

People simply assume the USA holds the top spot because it goes out starting wars all the time. No matter if the opposing force is lacking in both armed personnel and firepower :hsugh:

 

 

 

That's just you making something up. I don't know anyone who thinks the US is the top military superpower because of how many wars we have entered. I think it has to do with the fact that the United States triumphed the last World War, and the last war between the two super powers (US and Russia at the time) was triumphed by the US. The United States has effectively proven its military power - and neither of those instances had anything to do with how many troops we had.

 

 

 

Yes you won it all by yourself. Well done GhostRanger, your arrogance has just surpassed whole new levels!

[Bubsa]

People simply assume the USA holds the top spot because it goes out starting wars all the time. No matter if the opposing force is lacking in both armed personnel and firepower :hsugh:

 

 

 

That's just you making something up. I don't know anyone who thinks the US is the top military superpower because of how many wars we have entered.

 

 

 

To be honest mate, you obviously haven't met about 80% of this board. Granted, they aren't the most knowledgable of folk.

[Kryptic]

The good will of China? They don't make our products dirt cheap out of good will - they do it because its economically beneficial to them. And you know what? China is slowly overtaking the US as the economic hedgemon (sp?).

 

 

 

The US was the dominant force in the global world/economy long before we started outsourcing to China. Your point is nonsensical.

 

 

 

All the great powers in history have fell. Maybe the US is next? My prespective - The first 2 WW's were based on politics; generally whom had terroritory over land. WW III is enevitable, and I think it wont be following the same nature as the first two. Instead the economic "king" will come out on top - who's in the lead? China.

[Guest GhostRanger]

People simply assume the USA holds the top spot because it goes out starting wars all the time. No matter if the opposing force is lacking in both armed personnel and firepower :hsugh:

 

 

 

That's just you making something up. I don't know anyone who thinks the US is the top military superpower because of how many wars we have entered. I think it has to do with the fact that the United States triumphed the last World War, and the last war between the two super powers (US and Russia at the time) was triumphed by the US. The United States has effectively proven its military power - and neither of those instances had anything to do with how many troops we had.

 

 

 

Yes you won it all by yourself. Well done GhostRanger, your arrogance has just surpassed whole new levels!

 

 

 

I don't get it, was that sarcasm?

 

 

 

@Bubsa: You're probably right. Maybe there is a whole lot of ignorance I'm just blistfully unaware of. :P

[Randox]

Let me clarify some of the resons I state the US being the world military super power.

 

1. They have over half the woulds Nuclear arsenol.

 

2. Abram M1 tanks. I don't care what the 'top 10...' show says. The M1's are the best!

 

3. The A-10 thunderbolt, also known as warthog. That thing can fly with one engine and 2/3 of each wing (if it drops it's incredible payload).

 

4. The SR-71 black bird, awsome spyplane capable of low orbit.

 

5. F-117 (I think) stealth plane and the B-2 bomber.

 

 

 

Thes are just technologies. Technology is what makes the US so dangerous. They also have an awsome navy and air force!

 

 

 

And about all great powers falling. It's true. Egypt (cant spell it), Rome, Grece(cant spell it either ), britan (in terms of navy), and the middle east used to be the most civilised now its the west, that will change and i hope im not around to see it! :ohnoes:

[azntemplar_00]

Let me clarify some of the resons I state the US being the world military super power.

 

1. They have over half the woulds Nuclear arsenol.

 

2. Abram M1 tanks. I don't care what the 'top 10...' show says. The M1's are the best!

 

3. The A-10 thunderbolt, also known as warthog. That thing can fly with one engine and 2/3 of each wing (if it drops it's incredible payload).

 

4. The SR-71 black bird, awsome spyplane capable of low orbit.

 

5. F-117 (I think) stealth plane and the B-2 bomber.

 

 

 

Thes are just technologies. Technology is what makes the US so dangerous. They also have an awsome navy and air force!

 

 

 

And about all great powers falling. It's true. Egypt (cant spell it), Rome, Grece(cant spell it either ), britan (in terms of navy), and the middle east used to be the most civilised now its the west, that will change and i hope im not around to see it! :ohnoes:

 

 

 

Look, while it is a major factor, technology doesn't dictate wars entirely. Let's use two examples that are already being spouted back and forth - the US and China. In the Korean War, US had much better and advanced technologies than China, yet China still managed to push the US back to the 38th parallel from the Yalu River after entering the war. Of course, many more Chinese soldiers died, but the overall goal of the Chinese was accomplished. War isn't just about a quick easy victory via technology. Real wars are wars of attrition and people WILL DIE in war, no matter how great your technology is.

[zach312]

Can't we just make a Lake North Korea? \

 

 

 

But seriously...if North Korea so much as shoots ANYTHING at anyone, let alone a nuke, they're going to have to deal with about half the world shooting missles so far up their wagons that whatever happens to be shot at North Korea (please nuke em God :pray:) comes out Kim's mouth. I mean come on, even Japan is trying to get together an army after 60-some-odd years of pacifism.

 

 

 

North Korea = Screwed. End of story.

[indy500fan]

Can't we just make a Lake North Korea? \

 

 

 

Someone needs to work on their geography.

[thedepressedsquirrel]

 

Look, while it is a major factor, technology doesn't dictate wars entirely. Let's use two examples that are already being spouted back and forth - the US and China. In the Korean War, US had much better and advanced technologies than China, yet China still managed to push the US back to the 38th parallel from the Yalu River after entering the war. Of course, many more Chinese soldiers died, but the overall goal of the Chinese was accomplished. War isn't just about a quick easy victory via technology. Real wars are wars of attrition and people WILL DIE in war, no matter how great your technology is.

 

 

 

The Chinese won because they had a crapload more willing (or blindly stupid?) soldiers compared to the US. I doubt they'll be able to pull that again what with the nice MMORPGs and other fun things their people are occupied with now.

[Giordano]

People simply assume the USA holds the top spot because it goes out starting wars all the time. No matter if the opposing force is lacking in both armed personnel and firepower :hsugh:

 

 

 

That's just you making something up. I don't know anyone who thinks the US is the top military superpower because of how many wars we have entered. I think it has to do with the fact that the United States triumphed the last World War, and the last war between the two super powers (US and Russia at the time) was triumphed by the US. The United States has effectively proven its military power - and neither of those instances had anything to do with how many troops we had.

 

Who took Berlin in 1945? :roll:

[Zonorhc]

The US owns the world about as much as the Democratic Republic of the Congo does. Its economy is practically running on the goodwill of China and the rest of its trading partners, just like everyone else's. This is the 21st century, and we have something called the global economy. It's been around for some time.

 

 

 

The good will of China? They don't make our products dirt cheap out of good will - they do it because its economically beneficial to them. And you know what? China is slowly overtaking the US as the economic hedgemon (sp?).

 

 

 

The US was the dominant force in the global world/economy long before we started outsourcing to China. Your point is nonsensical.

 

The goodwill of China and the rest of its trading partners. What's hard to understand? I emphasised China because it's one of, if not the fastest growing economies in the world at the moment. Nowhere did I say that China or anyone else didn't rely on the US themselves.

 

 

 

Who's funding American national debt? Surely not Americans.

 

 

 

The point of my post was that in a global economy, nobody "owns" anyone else.

 

 

 

Can't we just make a Lake North Korea? \

 

Someone needs to work on their geography.

 

I think you missed the point. If North Korea is stupid enough to launch a nuke, or openly gives a terrorist organisation the means by which to do so, the US and everyone else who can will turn North Korea into one big glowing crater.

[Randox]

 

 

 

Look, while it is a major factor, technology doesn't dictate wars entirely. Let's use two examples that are already being spouted back and forth - the US and China. In the Korean War, US had much better and advanced technologies than China, yet China still managed to push the US back to the 38th parallel from the Yalu River after entering the war. Of course, many more Chinese soldiers died, but the overall goal of the Chinese was accomplished. War isn't just about a quick easy victory via technology. Real wars are wars of attrition and people WILL DIE in war, no matter how great your technology is.

 

 

 

To true. But now were into the quality, quantity, thing. In most ways the US is quallity (as in many of the technologies listed), they are also superior training (seals, mariens come to mind). China is quantity. They take heavy losses to achive their goals but overal that dosent mater to them. The US still has one of the larger armies and its really well quiped (they support the economy by buying war machines)

 

 

 

And for the record. 70% of our economy relies on the United States so if they go down Canada goes down too.

[Guest GhostRanger]

The US owns the world about as much as the Democratic Republic of the Congo does. Its economy is practically running on the goodwill of China and the rest of its trading partners, just like everyone else's. This is the 21st century, and we have something called the global economy. It's been around for some time.

 

 

 

The good will of China? They don't make our products dirt cheap out of good will - they do it because its economically beneficial to them. And you know what? China is slowly overtaking the US as the economic hedgemon (sp?).

 

 

 

The US was the dominant force in the global world/economy long before we started outsourcing to China. Your point is nonsensical.

 

The goodwill of China and the rest of its trading partners. What's hard to understand? I emphasised China because it's one of, if not the fastest growing economies in the world at the moment. Nowhere did I say that China or anyone else didn't rely on the US themselves.

 

 

 

Who's funding American national debt? Surely not Americans.

 

 

 

The point of my post was that in a global economy, nobody "owns" anyone else.

 

 

 

The point I'm making is that it is not the good will of China. We took business over there for our own personal gain, not because we needed the good will of China to help our economy out.

[Doomster]

If Iraq can be invaded to look for WMD (which they never found), what do we do with a rogue state that proves they DO have WMD ?

 

 

 

The other thing, of course, is that unlike China (dodgy human right issues and lots of WMD, plus the world's cheap manufacturer of technology), the world has no need of any dealings with NK and can sanction the hell out of them for ever more!

[Zonorhc]

If Iraq can be invaded to look for WMD (which they never found), what do we do with a rogue state that proves they DO have WMD ?

 

You scold them and then give them a slap on the wrist. Instead of, you know, just having all food aid retracted.

 

 

 

The other thing, of course, is that unlike China (dodgy human right issues and lots of WMD, plus the world's cheap manufacturer of technology), the world has no need of any dealings with NK and can sanction the hell out of them for ever more!

 

Some niche markets in Japan still like some things that come out of NK, like mushrooms. I'm sure that some other people like having NK around, like cocaine addicts.

 

 

 

But then, you can still get all that after turning Pyongyang into a glowing crater. No big loss.

[Guest GhostRanger]

People simply assume the USA holds the top spot because it goes out starting wars all the time. No matter if the opposing force is lacking in both armed personnel and firepower :hsugh:

 

 

 

That's just you making something up. I don't know anyone who thinks the US is the top military superpower because of how many wars we have entered. I think it has to do with the fact that the United States triumphed the last World War, and the last war between the two super powers (US and Russia at the time) was triumphed by the US. The United States has effectively proven its military power - and neither of those instances had anything to do with how many troops we had.

 

Who took Berlin in 1945? :roll:

 

 

 

I believe it was the Soviet Union. Is that correct?

[Lordjake]

Well according to the all-knowing Bill O'Reilly, North Korea is being a pain in the butt in order to affect the midterm elections here in the USA, so less Republicans are voted for.

[BlueTear]

The US has a military budget six times larger than China, and in a top 20 in military budgets, the size of the US military budget alone could take on the 19 runner up's. With that kind of size disparaties in budgets, number of soldier's doesn't really matter, because the difference in equipment is going to be felt quite heavily.

[Faux]

Cause they want attention. What can they do with that crappy country.

[adthegreat-]

Because they are practicing their right to do what they want, without someone hypocritically pointing out that they shouldn't be arming themselves/developing their nuclear weapon technology.

 

 

 

I personally hope that North Korea carry on doing whatever they are doing, God knows that if anyone tried to tell a Western country what to do, they would be on a political/justice crusade faster than China's economy is growing.