Guest GhostRanger Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 and that's what's bringing America to it's 40% voter turnout..."my vote won't count...and none of the canidates have veiws i like...." run for office if you're that upset. Really, people would kill to vote and you're whining. im not whining. im saying i am represented by 2 parties...the democrats and republicans. i like neither party...so why should i vote for something i dont support? Correct. But what you and everyone else who is tired of two parties should do is actively support independents and third parties. Agreed, even if you don't like the third parties candidates you should vote for the parties general views (since the candidates are unlikely to get into office). This puts a little pressure on the major parties to adopt some views :P Actually I think if anything it makes it easier for big parties, Republicans for the most part. For example, the Dems only lose votes everytime Nader runs for Green/Independant (whatever he is). You're better off voting for the lesser of the evils (Dems/Reps) than wasting that vote on a third party. My point would be that everyone has that attitude, which is why that happens. However, if everyone who truly liked the ideas of an independent voted for them - we'd see more popular parties emerging and more serious third party candidates running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman089 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Actually I think if anything it makes it easier for big parties, Republicans for the most part. For example, the Dems only lose votes everytime Nader runs for Green/Independant (whatever he is). You're better off voting for the lesser of the evils (Dems/Reps) than wasting that vote on a third party. My point would be that everyone has that attitude, which is why that happens. However, if everyone who truly liked the ideas of an independent voted for them - we'd see more popular parties emerging and more serious third party candidates running. World peace would be nice too, but it's not going to happen =\ Gamertag: King Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Actually I think if anything it makes it easier for big parties, Republicans for the most part. For example, the Dems only lose votes everytime Nader runs for Green/Independant (whatever he is). You're better off voting for the lesser of the evils (Dems/Reps) than wasting that vote on a third party. My point would be that everyone has that attitude, which is why that happens. However, if everyone who truly liked the ideas of an independent voted for them - we'd see more popular parties emerging and more serious third party candidates running. World peace would be nice too, but it's not going to happen =\ It has happened already in plenty of countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy500fan Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Actually I think if anything it makes it easier for big parties, Republicans for the most part. For example, the Dems only lose votes everytime Nader runs for Green/Independant (whatever he is). You're better off voting for the lesser of the evils (Dems/Reps) than wasting that vote on a third party. Sometimes it does make it easier for one or the other big parties. But Independants still do get elected, if you read my post above you would have found out than an Independant was elected to the Senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLancer Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Voting for the third parties is a good thing if one of them is closer to your political stance than Democrats or Republicans. I voted for the two Libertarians that were candidates. As you can see from the picture, neither of them came close. Still, it was nice to have that option. In Vermont an independent was elected to Senate. He is a Socialist, the first one to serve in the U.S. Senate. He caucuses with the Democrats, so they counted him as a Democrat when it comes to committee assignments. So that puts the Senate at 51-49 in favor of the Democrats. That means Congress is controlled by the Democrats (The House is controlled by them also). That's an exceptionally good example, because in this case, that person makes all the difference in the world when the congress votes for new laws. Actually, he is the most powerful person in the senate because he's not bound by a party. Why? In matters where either the republican or democrat party strictly votes for propositions of their own party, he can jump on either side and pass the law/stop it from passing (since 50-50 is not enough to pass a law). :lol: I never thought about that. (world peace]It has happened already in plenty of countries. ...Hence he said, world peace. :P It's not the same thing as a single country, the world consists of almost 200 countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runesmithie Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Voting for the third parties is a good thing if one of them is closer to your political stance than Democrats or Republicans. I voted for the two Libertarians that were candidates. As you can see from the picture, neither of them came close. Still, it was nice to have that option. In Vermont an independent was elected to Senate. He is a Socialist, the first one to serve in the U.S. Senate. He caucuses with the Democrats, so they counted him as a Democrat when it comes to committee assignments. So that puts the Senate at 51-49 in favor of the Democrats. That means Congress is controlled by the Democrats (The House is controlled by them also). That's an exceptionally good example, because in this case, that person makes all the difference in the world when the congress votes for new laws. Actually, he is the most powerful person in the senate because he's not bound by a party. Why? In matters where either the republican or democrat party strictly votes for propositions of their own party, he can jump on either side and pass the law/stop it from passing (since 50-50 is not enough to pass a law). :lol: I never thought about that. (world peace]It has happened already in plenty of countries. ...Hence he said, world peace. :P It's not the same thing as a single country, the world consists of almost 200 countries. If a vote goes 50-50, doesn't the (Republican atm) Vice President step in? I just posted something! ^_^ to the terrorist...er... kirbybeam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackalope14 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I dont get into politics much, but I REALLY wanted Tim Pawlenty to be re-elected govenor in my state. I really like him and couldnt stand who he was running against. Thats the election I paid the most attention to because I wanted him to win pretty badly. It seems like there was a lot less voting fraud and machine malefunctions (sp?) complained about this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryoushinn Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Prop 83 passed, but i guess it was "unconstitutional." So i guess not. (raising punishments for sex offenders, child molesters, and keeping them 2000 feet away from parks and schools using the GPA system) Well, when you think about it, that wouldn't solve ALL the problems. Because a lot of of the problems and abusement to kids usually happen within the family. So if the offender lived in the household, he could still hurt children and the government wouldn't know. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman089 Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 If a vote goes 50-50, doesn't the (Republican atm) Vice President step in? Yup, I think thats like his biggest duty :P Gamertag: King Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 (world peace]It has happened already in plenty of countries. ...Hence he said, world peace. :P It's not the same thing as a single country, the world consists of almost 200 countries. :lol: I could name a few... Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman089 Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 (world peace]It has happened already in plenty of countries. ...Hence he said, world peace. :P It's not the same thing as a single country, the world consists of almost 200 countries. I'm pretty sure Ghost wasn't talking about about world peace, Im sure he was talking about countries that have a 3+ party system. Gamertag: King Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy500fan Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 If a vote goes 50-50, doesn't the (Republican atm) Vice President step in? Yep, and that is why he is so important. If he sides with the Democrats the vote will be 51 to 49. If he sides with the Republicans the vote will be 50-50, and the Vice President breaks the tie. So whoever he sides with, wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 It seems like there was a lot less voting fraud and machine malefunctions (sp?) complained about this year. When Republicans lose they admit that they lost touch with their conservative base, they messed up, and it was their fault. When Democrats lose they complain about voter fraud and machine malfunctions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magekillr Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 If a vote goes 50-50, doesn't the (Republican atm) Vice President step in? Yup, I think thats like his biggest duty :P when you think about it..it's like his only duty :-s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman089 Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 If a vote goes 50-50, doesn't the (Republican atm) Vice President step in? Yup, I think thats like his biggest duty :P when you think about it..it's like his only duty :-s Making money off the war is another one i think :D Gamertag: King Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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