women and men equality..

[Abyssalwhip]

how is it equal... its not like men can squeez out babies aaw im never going to be able to :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyway women probably wouldent make good president because she wouldent want to go to war when we get our butt;s kicked by another country and the only time there would be a war is if she broke a nail (jk)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes call me sexist i really dont care

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if men and women are so equal how come a women doesent get hurt if you get kicked 'somewhere'

[lawrencekill]

how is it equal... its not like men can squeez out babies aaw im never going to be able to :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyway women probably wouldent make good president because she wouldent want to go to war when we get our butt;s kicked by another country and the only time there would be a war is if she broke a nail (jk)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes call me sexist i really dont care

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if men and women are so equal how come a women doesent get hurt if you get kicked 'somewhere'

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Umm... we're talking about equal rights, not equal physical nature.

[BlueTear]

Here's what has been baking my noodle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Men and women should get the same amount of pay for doing the same job, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But then.. I'm thinking.. as an employer, would I prefer a 23 year old woman or a 23 year old man? I'd go for the man, not because I have anything against women, but I just think that it's more likely that a woman would get pregnant and leave to have a baby, then as an employer I'd have to find and train someone new.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is that sexist? Because.. it's something that women can never get away from. They're always going to be more likely to get pregnant and leave (because obviously only women can get pregnant). Even the women that have no intention of leaving to have a baby might get paid less, just because there's always the higher probability "on average" that they will - so it's a greater risk employing a woman.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Around here, it's illegal. In fact, holding the possibility of a future child against either of the parents is illegal, and it's up to the employer to prove that no action is taken on that basis, including if the person in question isn't an emploỷ̮̩̉e, but someone being interviewed for a position. I'm fairly sure even asking whether someone intends to have children during an interview for a position is threading dangerously close, if for no other reason then if you turn the person down, you're the one who ends up having to prove it wasn't for that reason. Best not to know.

[____]

 

equal. Why? Because X doesn't equal Y. They are two seperate things, each built better for seperate things.

 

 

 

They might eventually have equal rights, but it isn't going to change anything. Because you simply can't replace X with Y and expect the result to be the same. Not to say it isn't possible - just the majority of the time one will be better than the other in many different fields.

[Death_By_Pod]

 

 

 

Because men are stronger then women, as said earlier, so if a woman goes in and loses, its really her own fault for trying, and if she wins, it just proves her equality. But if a man trys out for a woman's leauge, and wins, it just proves nothing, because men are stronger then women (usually).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So in reality, it is equality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is not equality, it is an artificial restriction on gender. There are many weaker men that wouldn't, or barely be able to compete with women based on strength. Why is it ok for a strong woman to try out for a men's baseball team but not ok for a weak man to try out for a women's baseball team?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The distinction between teams you are using is gender based, not strength based. This is a case of males being discriminated against (for once); If a woman is skilled enough to compete with males then it should be encouraged however someone who is less skilled shouldn't have to be excluded due to gender.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While I support gender equality and accept that women are discriminated against the most, you must remember that equality goes both ways.

[Anesthesia]

Is that sexist? Because.. it's something that women can never get away from. They're always going to be more likely to get pregnant and leave (because obviously only women can get pregnant). Even the women that have no intention of leaving to have a baby might get paid less, just because there's always the higher probability "on average" that they will - so it's a greater risk employing a woman.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps introducing more paternity leave would help with that. I know that women may still get pregnant through one night stands and so on, but I'm sure the number of pregnancies in partnerships would be greater. It would also solve the problem of men not getting enough paternity leave as it is.

[x76]

I think women and men should be treated equally except in certain situations. For example, lets say a woman and a man both work at a warehouse and the woman is asked to stack empty pallets and she thinks its a man's job because the pallets are too heavy. She shouldn't get paid the same amount as a man if she gets away with not doing it because she wouldn't be doing the same work.

[lawrencekill]

I think women and men should be treated equally except in certain situations. For example, lets say a woman and a man both work at a warehouse and the woman is asked to stack empty pallets and she thinks its a man's job because the pallets are too heavy. She shouldn't get paid the same amount as a man if she gets away with not doing it because she wouldn't be doing the same work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's a different issue. That's being lazy at work.

[Randox]

I think women and men should be treated equally except in certain situations. For example, lets say a woman and a man both work at a warehouse and the woman is asked to stack empty pallets and she thinks its a man's job because the pallets are too heavy. She shouldn't get paid the same amount as a man if she gets away with not doing it because she wouldn't be doing the same work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree. In this situation it would make sense to pay based on capability. If the women were stronger than the man and did more work shed get paid more and vice-versa.

[BlueLancer]

 

Here's what has been baking my noodle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Men and women should get the same amount of pay for doing the same job, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But then.. I'm thinking.. as an employer, would I prefer a 23 year old woman or a 23 year old man? I'd go for the man, not because I have anything against women, but I just think that it's more likely that a woman would get pregnant and leave to have a baby, then as an employer I'd have to find and train someone new.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is that sexist? Because.. it's something that women can never get away from. They're always going to be more likely to get pregnant and leave (because obviously only women can get pregnant). Even the women that have no intention of leaving to have a baby might get paid less, just because there's always the higher probability "on average" that they will - so it's a greater risk employing a woman.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Around here, it's illegal. In fact, holding the possibility of a future child against either of the parents is illegal, and it's up to the employer to prove that no action is taken on that basis, including if the person in question isn't an emploỷ̮̩̉e, but someone being interviewed for a position. I'm fairly sure even asking whether someone intends to have children during an interview for a position is threading dangerously close, if for no other reason then if you turn the person down, you're the one who ends up having to prove it wasn't for that reason. Best not to know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That doesn't really count because you live in a nordic country. Most of the world population will never accept the degree of liberalism/equality nordic countries already take for granted in their culture, you can't just change thousands of years of different culture overnight.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In most countries, not that I *personally* think it's fair, taking in account a woman could get pregnant is a reality that even the woman must acknowledge, and it does disadvantage the employer who could just worry less by hiring a man to do the same job.

[hohto]

I think women and men should be treated equally except in certain situations. For example, lets say a woman and a man both work at a warehouse and the woman is asked to stack empty pallets and she thinks its a man's job because the pallets are too heavy. She shouldn't get paid the same amount as a man if she gets away with not doing it because she wouldn't be doing the same work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you ask me, people should get paid for their abilities to work. If you aren't strong enough for certain work, you should find another job. No matter did you have a 5cm extra skin between your legs or not.

[BlueLancer]

 

I think women and men should be treated equally except in certain situations. For example, lets say a woman and a man both work at a warehouse and the woman is asked to stack empty pallets and she thinks its a man's job because the pallets are too heavy. She shouldn't get paid the same amount as a man if she gets away with not doing it because she wouldn't be doing the same work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you ask me, people should get paid for their abilities to work. If you aren't strong enough for certain work, you should find another job. No matter did you have a 5cm extra skin between your legs or not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, the firefighter example mentioned earlier would fit here. It's ridiculous how a woman can get the same job with less physical requirements just because of her gender.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When somebody is in danger and you may be required to remove heavy objects in a burning building and possibly carry away people, the fire doesn't care what tests you passed to get that job. It only cares about how much strength you have to save those poor people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it means the difference between life and death to one overweight person who couldn't be saved because a woman was unable to lift him, the system has already failed.

[BlueTear]

That doesn't really count because you live in a nordic country. Most of the world population will never accept the degree of liberalism/equality nordic countries already take for granted in their culture, you can't just change thousands of years of different culture overnight.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In most countries, not that I *personally* think it's fair, taking in account a woman could get pregnant is a reality that even the woman must acknowledge, and it does disadvantage the employer who could just worry less by hiring a man to do the same job.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally, I think you can. We didn't enter this century as a beacon of equality, we've never been first with allowing a minority to vote, heck, we even forced sterilization of gupsy's for a while, in true nazi style.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But for some weird reason, the single biggest party - and most of the time, the party involved in leading the nation - has been socialistic over the past 70 years. And say what you want about socialism, but they really like their equality. And the all-public school system continues to reflect that. I'm not saying it always works out, but after having passed through 12 years of it, I can say there's some serious amounts of effort being poured into turning out democratic citizens with as few prejudices and as much equality as possible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You want change in the future, start working on the future: The children.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(That being said, I didn't vote leftist in the last election. Granted, our right is probably more left than most other countries middle. Err... Yeah, think that came out right)

[BlueLancer]

And say what you want about socialism, but they really like their equality. And the all-public school system continues to reflect that. I'm not saying it always works out, but after having passed through 12 years of it, I can say there's some serious amounts of effort being poured into turning out democratic citizens with as few prejudices and as much equality as possible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You want change in the future, start working on the future: The children.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nah, I don't have a beef with socialism; Most people have a very biased opinion on it without even knowing what they're talking about. Too many people confuse socialism and communism, because socialism can exist even in a democratic country.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On the issue of women and men being equal and starting to work on the future...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sadly, if we are to look at things objectively, many countries do not want gender equality. In certain countries, even the women themselves think it's ridiculous that a woman should be involved in politics for example. In some countries, I guarantee you can walk around all you want and for a 100 years you will not see a female car mechanic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But you are right, because educating people about the benefits of democracy is better than living in ignorance influenced by culture. It is not biased to say so even if I grew up in democratic country/ies. A human doesn't get to choose where he/she is born, therefore I think everybody should have a fair chance at life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look at countries like the United Arab Emirates for example, even without their recent oil wealth, their GDP per capita is huge, over $30,000 (and taking into account just the median income including about 20-30% bonus on oil incomes, $40k)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They educate males and females alike, the young people start caring less about the neighbor wearing a hijab or not, Dubai for example has become at least as magnificent as Tokyo or New York, I can only see benefits to educating people and removing Borat-esque dumbness and superstition from the world.

[Jaakilju]

 

 

 

Nah, I don't have a beef with socialism; Most people have a very biased opinion on it without even knowing what they're talking about. Too many people confuse socialism and communism, because socialism can exist even in a democratic country.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Um. As far as I know, communism is just a 'part' of socialism, at least that's what I've been told on my history lessons & just read on wikipedia. Just that communism is getting to socialism by revolution, and that's why it takes the whole socialism (usually) further. Altough I could be totally wrong. ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I don't see why democracy can't exist in a communist country, 'cause I've been told that communism is the "ultimate democracy". It just hasn't been organized very well, if you know what I mean. :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I live in Finland, which is a pretty socialist country just like Sweden, and the socialist party has been elected again and again for a long time. I live in Finland and it's all really equal in here, and I like it. And just as BlueTear said, the public school system is working really good. I'm not yet old enough to vote, but I'll probably vote for one of the leftist parties. :3>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My first post on the forum, btw.

[magekillr]

 

 

 

 

Nah, I don't have a beef with socialism; Most people have a very biased opinion on it without even knowing what they're talking about. Too many people confuse socialism and communism, because socialism can exist even in a democratic country.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Um. As far as I know, communism is just a 'part' of socialism, at least that's what I've been told on my history lessons & just read on wikipedia. Just that communism is getting to socialism by revolution, and that's why it takes the whole socialism (usually) further. Altough I could be totally wrong. ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I don't see why democracy can't exist in a communist country, 'cause I've been told that communism is the "ultimate democracy". It just hasn't been organized very well, if you know what I mean. :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I live in Finland, which is a pretty socialist country just like Sweden, and the socialist party has been elected again and again for a long time. I live in Finland and it's all really equal in here, and I like it. And just as BlueTear said, the public school system is working really good. I'm not yet old enough to vote, but I'll probably vote for one of the leftist parties. :3>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My first post on the forum, btw.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i don't exist anywhere on the board of current types of gov't/party. i've taken every survey that "places you" and none really made much sense. on the compass it put me in facism and communism together at the same time? lol...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyway..both types would work great if men were not so greedy. (men as a race)

[Astralinre]

anyway..both types would work great if men were not so greedy. (men as a race)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sure thing. And humans could fly if there were no such thing as gravity. :P

[warri0r45]

Everyone IS equal. No ifs or buts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

biology sias different my friend, its plain and simple, not sexist, that men are better than women at some things and women are better than men at others. But, obviously, they should both have the same rights as the social/biological stereotypes dont fit everyone.

[amoeba_009]

Sexism eh? back from where im from its implanted into your head sometimes by women that men are capable and better than women which to me is horribly, horribly HORRIBLY wrong i mean what if it was vice versa men would be fighting for rights..Having say'd that i had grade 9 gym at the end of the year we have something called a beep test you have to run from end to end of the gym before the beeping thingi beeps and it advances levels as in 1..1.1 all though to 1.9 then 2 the the girls their level 4 ( 90% and above) is a 6 and for the boys is a 14 i mean come on now we aldredy have women fighting for equality do men also need to start ? :wall:

[lawrencekill]

Sexism eh? back from where im from its implanted into your head sometimes by women that men are capable and better than women which to me is horribly, horribly HORRIBLY wrong i mean what if it was vice versa men would be fighting for rights..Having say'd that i had grade 9 gym at the end of the year we have something called a beep test you have to run from end to end of the gym before the beeping thingi beeps and it advances levels as in 1..1.1 all though to 1.9 then 2 the the girls their level 4 ( 90% and above) is a 6 and for the boys is a 14 i mean come on now we aldredy have women fighting for equality do men also need to start ? :wall:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's because females are weaker physically, men have the testoserone(however that's spelled), or more of it or w/e.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't undersatnd the beep test you described. what's a 6 and a 14?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For physical fitness test it's totally bs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guys have to do 35 push-ups and girls have to do 25.

 

 

 

Guys have to run a mile in 7:30(or 8:00 I forgot), and girls can do it in 9:00.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And a real shocker.

 

 

 

Guys have to reach the 12"(inch) mark on flexibility test, and so do girls.

 

 

 

I thought they were more flexible than us, and instead of increasing the difficulty for the girls' flexibility test, they make it the same as guys.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DAMN IT! (dang it to crying face).

[insane]

Don't undersatnd the beep test you described. what's a 6 and a 14?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a test where you need to run the length of the gym. You do it each time this speaker "beeps". There are different levels, and each level gets faster (ie. less time between beeps).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And a real shocker.

 

 

 

Guys have to reach the 12"(inch) mark on flexibility test, and so do girls.

 

 

 

I thought they were more flexible than us, and instead of increasing the difficulty for the girls' flexibility test, they make it the same as guys.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, I always got 100% on the fitness tests for everything except for flexibility. I always failed bitterly on flexibility.

[lawrencekill]

 

Don't undersatnd the beep test you described. what's a 6 and a 14?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a test where you need to run the length of the gym. You do it each time this speaker "beeps". There are different levels, and each level gets faster (ie. less time between beeps).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And a real shocker.

 

 

 

Guys have to reach the 12"(inch) mark on flexibility test, and so do girls.

 

 

 

I thought they were more flexible than us, and instead of increasing the difficulty for the girls' flexibility test, they make it the same as guys.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, I always got 100% on the fitness tests for everything except for flexibility. I always failed bitterly on flexibility.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So it's like a sprinting endurance test?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How much time you get to run at lvl 6 and 14? How long do you have to run total back and forth for one lvl?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hate the test, I'm the worst at push-ups. But others I'm decent at.

[magekillr]

 

 

Don't undersatnd the beep test you described. what's a 6 and a 14?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a test where you need to run the length of the gym. You do it each time this speaker "beeps". There are different levels, and each level gets faster (ie. less time between beeps).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And a real shocker.

 

 

 

Guys have to reach the 12"(inch) mark on flexibility test, and so do girls.

 

 

 

I thought they were more flexible than us, and instead of increasing the difficulty for the girls' flexibility test, they make it the same as guys.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, I always got 100% on the fitness tests for everything except for flexibility. I always failed bitterly on flexibility.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So it's like a sprinting endurance test?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How much time you get to run at lvl 6 and 14? How long do you have to run total back and forth for one lvl?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hate the test, I'm the worst at push-ups. But others I'm decent at.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lawrence perhaps it is called the shuttle run where you live?

[lawrencekill]

 

 

 

Don't undersatnd the beep test you described. what's a 6 and a 14?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a test where you need to run the length of the gym. You do it each time this speaker "beeps". There are different levels, and each level gets faster (ie. less time between beeps).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And a real shocker.

 

 

 

Guys have to reach the 12"(inch) mark on flexibility test, and so do girls.

 

 

 

I thought they were more flexible than us, and instead of increasing the difficulty for the girls' flexibility test, they make it the same as guys.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, I always got 100% on the fitness tests for everything except for flexibility. I always failed bitterly on flexibility.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So it's like a sprinting endurance test?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How much time you get to run at lvl 6 and 14? How long do you have to run total back and forth for one lvl?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hate the test, I'm the worst at push-ups. But others I'm decent at.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lawrence perhaps it is called the shuttle run where you live?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...No...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We don't have those sprinting endurance tests.

[hyperbabe701]

woman and men are equal! you may call woman emotional but they don't hide things and there not afraid of people, i personally think its time for a woman president. ( this is coming from a 12 year old)