women and men equality..

[BlueLancer]

 

 

 

On the flip side, it's been proven that women are probably better mothers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, your post is entirely true and has very good points, that just made me laugh really loud. :lol: Maybe you meant something else though.

[deathhead154]

 

 

 

 

On the flip side, it's been proven that women are probably better mothers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, your post is entirely true and has very good points, that just made me laugh really loud. :lol: Maybe you meant something else though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aww come on, that has to be siggehed...

[Evilperson]

I have a gender conundrum for you all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay so American Citizens can vote at the age of 18. If you know your history, the reason the voting age was changed from 21 to 18 is the fact that during vietnam, 18-20 year olds were the highest percentage killed. The young people found this ridiculous since they were unable to vote. So congress granted them the power to vote at 18.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So is it fair that MEN can get drafted and women can't? Isn't the whole reason of the 26th amendment is to make up for the fact that many thousands of 18-20 year old males died during the vietnam war? Why should women get the option to vote at age 18? They are uneligable for the draft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Granted the 15th amendment protects against this, but i find it ridiculous since the only reason the 26th amendment was passed was to give a few civil liberties to the people who FORCED to die for our country, even though women arent forced to die for our country.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Equality?

[Viktorkrum77]

I have a gender conundrum for you all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay so American Citizens can vote at the age of 18. If you know your history, the reason the voting age was changed from 21 to 18 is the fact that during vietnam, 18-20 year olds were the highest percentage killed. The young people found this ridiculous since they were unable to vote. So congress granted them the power to vote at 18.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So is it fair that MEN can get drafted and women can't? Isn't the whole reason of the 26th amendment is to make up for the fact that many thousands of 18-20 year old males died during the vietnam war? Why should women get the option to vote at age 18? They are uneligable for the draft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Granted the 15th amendment protects against this, but i find it ridiculous since the only reason the 26th amendment was passed was to give a few civil liberties to the people who FORCED to die for our country, even though women arent forced to die for our country.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Equality?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's see. Well, the men are womans husbands, friends, brothers. And it should be not alright to let them vote? Considering there dearest friends, partners, siblings are in the war? And then, only men can vote? Half those men don't even know anyone in the draft, and half do. That's bad logic, your conclusion is invalid. That is unequality. That would be saying that men are better than woman. :XD:

[lawrencekill]

personally i feel that women simply do not belong in certain aspects of life, such as high end politics. let's take Hilary for example. I do not see it fit for a woman to be president..i just dont. call me sexist if you must, but i feel that women rely on their emotions too much to be making decisions of that calibur. Also i feel that they are simply too sensative and just are not built like men for certain situations (mental and physical)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well there are some stupid people, and there are smart people. Let's not divide this into gender, let's divide this into competency.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can find a sissy man and a strong woman almost anyday. Hilary for example is not competent. You can easily tell she would not make a good president. Serious, why the hell would you blame video games for screwing up kids when it's mostly the parents fault for not giving them attention and keeping an eye on them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well of course it works on incompetent parents or parents that don't want to admit it's their own fault (excluding the parents, when the child is really at fault for video games), which makes up some, if not most, of the parents in the USA at least. How did you think she has so much support on the issue?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I'm sure there are a lot of smart, competent women that won't screw us over, know what they're doing, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe in equal opportunities for men and women in the workforce, military, and politics. You know, a woman shouldn't get paid less for a job that a man gets paid more for, stuff like that. A woman would also be as competent a president (or in any other political office) as a man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Women and men are different though. I believe we think differently, and since I do appreciate someone to have manners, I do expect to be treated like a woman by a man. In other words, I don't want a man walking up to me and punching me in the arm like he would his buddies. I do believe that men shouldn't hit women, but if a woman hits a man first and really hurts him, then she's on her own.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't like to stereotype men, therefore, I don't want to be stereotyped. I don't want a man to expect me to stay in the kitchen and make babies. I don't want a man to expect me to clean up after him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If a woman wants to be a construction worker, more power to her.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If a man wants to deliver babies, or be a nurse, then, he's perfectly within his rights to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EQUAL MEANS EQUAL! Equal does not mean, you have to treat a woman this way and treat a man that way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you want true equality, you will have to dump chivalry. You cannot say, oh I choose this, this, and this right, but I don't want this, this, and this to apply to my gender. What the ****?! That will destroy the equality right then and there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with the part about salary, a woman should get paid as much as a man (assuming they both do the same about of work and stuff).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Funniest inequality now is that people think men should pay for everything during a date. Just think that's funny \ .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have a gender conundrum for you all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay so American Citizens can vote at the age of 18. If you know your history, the reason the voting age was changed from 21 to 18 is the fact that during vietnam, 18-20 year olds were the highest percentage killed. The young people found this ridiculous since they were unable to vote. So congress granted them the power to vote at 18.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So is it fair that MEN can get drafted and women can't? Isn't the whole reason of the 26th amendment is to make up for the fact that many thousands of 18-20 year old males died during the vietnam war? Why should women get the option to vote at age 18? They are uneligable for the draft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Granted the 15th amendment protects against this, but i find it ridiculous since the only reason the 26th amendment was passed was to give a few civil liberties to the people who FORCED to die for our country, even though women arent forced to die for our country.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Equality?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's see. Well, the men are womans husbands, friends, brothers. And it should be not alright to let them vote? Considering there dearest friends, partners, siblings are in the war? And then, only men can vote? Half those men don't even know anyone in the draft, and half do. That's bad logic, your conclusion is invalid. That is unequality. That would be saying that men are better than woman. :XD:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well in those days, they thought woman to be the housekeeper, better at "house jobs", so kept them at home. Of course that is inequal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There were also women who volunteered to be nurses, they deserve credit, others who thought they were too high and mighty to help people, and of course those who had to take care of the family while their husbands were gone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But that was the past, and this is now. To make this work we must ensure that we have as much equality as possible. We can't switch men and women to have to exact same organs, but I know what you mean so don't make a wise-crack.

[knives669]

I'm sorry if I didn't make my post clear enough.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I said that women should be treated equally in politics, work, and the military.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, in other situations, and even in those situations above, men should be chivalrous toward women and vice versa.

[zach312]

 

I believe in equal opportunities for men and women in the workforce, military, and politics. You know, a woman shouldn't get paid less for a job that a man gets paid more for, stuff like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

definately agree here. a woman should not be paid less than a man for the same work...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree, but women (at least that I've seen) don't want equality in whole, they want equal pay, and that's all. If they wanted true equality, they should have to put up with how a man is treated. For example, a woman can yell at a man in the workplace for anything and no action would be taken. But if a man were to yell at a woman, he needs to get "sensitivity training"/"anger management". Total BS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you want true equality, you will have to dump chivalry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah, so true. That's why I never treat my female friends any different from my male friends. I won't treat a girl especially just because she's a girl.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Girl: "Will you (insert trivial task that she can easily do herself)?"

 

 

 

Me: "Do it yourself, Christ....."

[lawrencekill]

Women and men are different though. I believe we think differently, and since I do appreciate someone to have manners, I do expect to be treated like a woman by a man. In other words, I don't want a man walking up to me and punching me in the arm like he would his buddies. I do believe that men shouldn't hit women, but if a woman hits a man first and really hurts him, then she's on her own.

 

 

 

I'm sorry if I didn't make my post clear enough.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I said that women should be treated equally in politics, work, and the military.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, in other situations, and even in those situations above, men should be chivalrous toward women and vice versa.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmm, well I don't see it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh wait, got it. You want a man treating a woman differently than the way a man treats a man and visa versa. Also men shouldn't hit women.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So... Point to me the equality in that please.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you want true equality, you will have to dump chivalry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah, so true. That's why I never treat my female friends any different from my male friends. I won't treat a girl especially just because she's a girl.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Girl: "Will you (insert trivial task that she can easily do herself)?"

 

 

 

Me: "Do it yourself, Christ....."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know funny huh? Some people will ask you to do them a task because they're cute, funny, etc and with those qualities, they think they can "control" you. Like a child that can actually pursuade an adult to do their projects for them. Yes that's sad...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If I met a kid like that I'd kick their rear. Unfortunately I already have and I regret I didn't kick their rear and get yelled at by their parents that spoil them.

[insane]

I just think its funny that the same women that want equality in all things complain about chivalry being dead. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if chivalry were possible. The first few times I was taking the bus to university I offered my seat to other women standing up, and got nothing but dirty/awkard looks in reply. That's why I feel no sympathy about any type of gender inequality nowadays, there's no consistency.

[BlueTear]

I just think its funny that the same women that want equality in all things complain about chivalry being dead. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if chivalry were possible. The first few times I was taking the bus to university I offered my seat to other women standing up, and got nothing but dirty/awkard looks in reply. That's why I feel no sympathy about any type of gender inequality nowadays, there's no consistency.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*raise eyebrows* So the fact that there are democratic countries in which women are underrepresented in office or the fact that women get paid less for doing the same job as male counterparts aren't really worth sympathy 'cause hey, they wouldn't take your seat on a bus?

[insane]

 

I just think its funny that the same women that want equality in all things complain about chivalry being dead. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if chivalry were possible. The first few times I was taking the bus to university I offered my seat to other women standing up, and got nothing but dirty/awkard looks in reply. That's why I feel no sympathy about any type of gender inequality nowadays, there's no consistency.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*raise eyebrows* So the fact that there are democratic countries in which women are underrepresented in office or the fact that women get paid less for doing the same job as male counterparts aren't really worth sympathy 'cause hey, they wouldn't take your seat on a bus?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, wasn't thinking straight. Didn't mean any type of gender inequalities. Don't know why I wrote that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was just trying to make the point that chivalry died because men are generally objectifying insensitive jerks, but often women are holding it six feet under and complaining about it simultaneously. I don't know how I progressed towards general inequality.

[BlueLancer]

I just think its funny that the same women that want equality in all things complain about chivalry being dead. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if chivalry were possible. The first few times I was taking the bus to university I offered my seat to other women standing up, and got nothing but dirty/awkard looks in reply. That's why I feel no sympathy about any type of gender inequality nowadays, there's no consistency.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I totally agree with you. Why should you give your seat to another person based on her gender? Of course, if an old person with a kyphotic stature enters the bus, I'm going to offer him/her the seat. I respect old people and they have been through a lot in their lives.

 

 

 

If it's a middle aged woman, what's obligating me to stand for 20 minutes and tire my legs for no reason?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I strongly make a difference between being courteous and "chivalric". I think "chivalry" is outdated, unless you want to upkeep gender differences. Opening the door to a lady is not chivalric, it's common courtesy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If a woman asks you to assemble her new furniture she bought from Ikea and is just plain lazy, why would you agree to do it out of principle? (But if she was a good friend, I'd do it) What next, build her a house just because she asks you and is "too weak to do it herself"? B.S.

[magekillr]

yeah all these points you guys are making about chivalry were things that i was implying as well. the thing about politics was just an example

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

good pts people

[deloriagod]

So is it fair that MEN can get drafted and women can't? Isn't the whole reason of the 26th amendment is to make up for the fact that many thousands of 18-20 year old males died during the vietnam war? Why should women get the option to vote at age 18? They are uneligable for the draft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think that's totally fair. From my experience of being around females, they seem to be more easily upset (emotionally) than males. In two years I have to sign up for the draft. If I'm drafted, I don't want to be hiding the the brush somewhere (waiting for the enemy) and have a woman next to me, whom was also drafted, crying hysterically because she doesn't want to be there or have to kill another person. Though I will say, there are some males who are easily upset (emotionally) but I think the way our society is, males tend to bottle up those emotions more than females and so it's more likely that you'll find a female crying about having to leave her family than a male.

[lawrencekill]

Sorry, wasn't thinking straight. Didn't mean any type of gender inequalities. Don't know why I wrote that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was just trying to make the point that chivalry died because men are generally objectifying insensitive jerks, but often women are holding it six feet under and complaining about it simultaneously. I don't know how I progressed towards general inequality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because men arn't showing women favorable treatment, they are considered men jerks?

 

 

 

or

 

 

 

Because men are generally jerks, chivalry is dead?

 

 

 

or

 

 

 

Women want chivalry and equality?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm bad at understanding confusing stuff...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So is it fair that MEN can get drafted and women can't? Isn't the whole reason of the 26th amendment is to make up for the fact that many thousands of 18-20 year old males died during the vietnam war? Why should women get the option to vote at age 18? They are uneligable for the draft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think that's totally fair. From my experience of being around females, they seem to be more easily upset (emotionally) than males. In two years I have to sign up for the draft. If I'm drafted, I don't want to be hiding the the brush somewhere (waiting for the enemy) and have a woman next to me, whom was also drafted, crying hysterically because she doesn't want to be there or have to kill another person. Though I will say, there are some males who are easily upset (emotionally) but I think the way our society is, males tend to bottle up those emotions more than females and so it's more likely that you'll find a female crying about having to leave her family than a male.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's why there are training camps \ . Although training camps arn't real and you don't have to camp out in a flithy, place for a few days. But training camps don't get all the cry out of you. Someone yelling at your face 18 hours a day really make you stand up to the emotional expression. You cry more, you get yelled and more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well here's an incentive they use to do. If you let out your emotions at the wrong time, you get shot.

[menot]

i totally agree that "equality" is a load of rubbish..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

just reminded me of the phrase from animal farm something like..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

just sums up how equality seems to be about being equal, but only in areas where it suits them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

we actually talked about this last night in my flat, and my housemate said to my GF you can have equality if you... go to my car, change the oil, change the wipers, fix them so the windscreen cleaner works properly, refill that, check all the levels, check tyre pressures, etc etc etc etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i dont go for any supposed "equality" myself, pretty much ignore all that lol. (someone said about the man always pays on the date thing.. i dont do that, never have lol, thats just complete rubbish)

[insane]

Because men arn't showing women favorable treatment, they are considered men jerks?

 

 

 

or

 

 

 

Because men are generally jerks, chivalry is dead?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Men often treat women like crap, that's what killed chivalry. Why do you think many women are under the impression that they need to dress in skimpy outfits and give sex to whoever wants it to feel loved by a man?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Women want chivalry and equality?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It seems that way; I think the two are mutually exclusive.

[Randox]

(i use men and women as male and female respectivly.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

statisticly men do better on multiple choice. Dont know why.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also would assume that there is a reason why men generaly do not enjoy shoping for things like clothes as much as women but many men like things such as power tools and hardware stores where women generaly do not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have also noticed that women tend to be more social than men. You also cant deny that there is a difereance in the build of men and women.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also women tend to be more organized then men.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

using these differences that are based on observation. It is logical to assume that men and women do not react the same way to a given situation and therfore are not totaly equal.

[issy2]

 

 

call me sexist if you must, but i feel that women rely on their emotions too much to be making decisions of that calibur. Also i feel that they are simply too sensative and just are not built like men for certain situations (mental and physical)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most of us men get angry and fight out of emotion right away. If you are gonna be sexist, get out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Everyone IS equal. No ifs or buts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

if every1 is equal why do women not have to sign up for selective service? just a thought. there are more examples...but i'll just say this one

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you mean Taking the Cross (I don't know much about war I think that's what you mean) it's because men are considered stronger, which they are. Testosterone is good for violence, and therefore good for war.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And of course there has to be someone to stay at home and do things like teach, cook, sew. (Not that men can't do those things, but they are considered more womanly)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think men and woman are equal. Sure we have differing qualities, but that doesn't change the fact that we're all human and deserve rights.

[Guest GhostRanger]

I feel like as a society we should be more willing to accept the various different qualities of most men and most women. I think there are two genders because each gender is able to bring something a little different to the table.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It should go unsaid that no gender should get preferential treatment of any sort, but we would be wise to take more notice of gender differences than I feel like we are willing to.

[Randox]

The problem is summed up quite well by this statement. 'We live in a too politicly correct sociaty'. and i relise that that is not quite gramaticly correct but you should get the meaning quite clearly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We are so concerned about not discrimanating that we discrimanate. By emplying an equal number of male and female you are being sexist because you are hiring based on gender.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is constant criticisim of american jails mainly because of the number of black people in the jails. Apparently these people think we should arrest white people untill there is a balence. Perhaps - and im just throwing this idea out there - there are more black/ aferican americans in jail because more black people commit crimes than white.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I lnow that may seem offtopic but it's not, its a parallel. If you arent afraid of being rasict/ sexist then it al owrks easyer. There would still be sexist people out there but many would be honest and actualy emply based on qualification. I should point out that eqaulity leads to people being emplyed who are less qualifyed than others so that the emplyer dose not look like he/she is being biased.

[Guest AshKaYu]

Here's a really neat point brought up at a Gaia debate on this subject, summarised, women and men won't ever be equal. Why? Because X doesn't equal Y. They are two seperate things, each built better for seperate things.

[issy2]

equal. Why? Because X doesn't equal Y. They are two seperate things, each built better for seperate things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They don't have to be the same to be equal. They can be balanced.

[Tigra00]

It makes me mad, when i see a women doing a mans job, when a man isnt allowed to do a womens job. I cant think of examples right now, but yeah. Its like how women can try out for mens sports teams, but men cant try out for womens teams.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, that's because men are physically stronger than women. If you're a woman and can make it in men's sports - you are awesome. If you are a man you would dominate women in their sports just because of your stength over them. It's just how the facts are laid out. Are some women stronger than some men? Yep, but not the majority, not by a long shot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the dumb president sexism commment...Men act on their emotions and generally result to violence. Women, for the most part, will just yell.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmm...Speaking in a "tone" with someone...Or nuking their country....Yea, big choice there.

[dusqi]

Here's what has been baking my noodle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Men and women should get the same amount of pay for doing the same job, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But then.. I'm thinking.. as an employer, would I prefer a 23 year old woman or a 23 year old man? I'd go for the man, not because I have anything against women, but I just think that it's more likely that a woman would get pregnant and leave to have a baby, then as an employer I'd have to find and train someone new.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is that sexist? Because.. it's something that women can never get away from. They're always going to be more likely to get pregnant and leave (because obviously only women can get pregnant). Even the women that have no intention of leaving to have a baby might get paid less, just because there's always the higher probability "on average" that they will - so it's a greater risk employing a woman.