A thought on Scientology...

[Tigra00]

Good, I don't have to explain it now. :lol:

[rushrock]

What really suprises me is that famous celebrities, like Tom Cruise, are Scientologists. What makes them like that...uhhh..."religion"?! What do they see in it? Do they think it'll make them more popular or pleasing? :-k

[mchainmail]

"writing for a penny a word is rediculous. If you want to make millions, start your own religion."

 

 

 

- paraphrased from L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and if you want to watch something hillarious about scientology, go to youtube and search for "boston legal scientology" It is absolutely hillarious to watch.

[Ss_J9_Goten]

Don't ask me why I had enough time to read the Wikipedia article on scientology, I just did. Here's something interesting,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Scientologists believe that

 

 

 

Psychiatry and psychology are evil and abusive practices

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But

 

 

 

During the auditing process, the auditor may collect personal information from the person being audited in a manner similar to a psychotherapy session or confessional.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And furthermore

 

 

 

"Scientology would be a study of knowledge," Hubbard stated in 1952.[31] In the 1965 edition of Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought, he added, "Scientology is that branch of psychology which treats or (embraces) human ability. It is an extension of Dianetics which is in itself an extension of old-time faculty-psychology of 400 years ago."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So according to L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology is evil and abusive. Far be it from me to criticise someone else's beliefs. Just needed to throw that one in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All quotes are from the Wikipedia article on Scientology.

[rushrock]

"writing for a penny a word is rediculous. If you want to make millions, start your own religion."

 

 

 

- paraphrased from L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and if you want to watch something hillarious about scientology, go to youtube and search for "boston legal scientology" It is absolutely hillarious to watch.

 

 

 

that was pretty funny! *farts* ooh, im getting closer to immortality! :

[killersushipunk]

All religions are cults.

 

 

 

They just have more members.

[runemetsa]

Scientology is just a one big and well organized con. If I would be the one who invented this whole thing , I would just sit in my manor at the exotic island and laugh at people's blind faith on this whole religion. Scientology masters make their money by selling thoughts - come on!

[rushrock]

All religions are cults.

 

 

 

They just have more members.

 

 

 

hmmm...oh, yes! you're an idiot! :D

[mybrois15]

All this talk of Scientology I actually just returned from the library with my own copy of Dianetics. I read the first few chapters and it appears as if L. Ron Hubbard had ever intent to try to brainwash people.

 

 

 

"Dianetics, thus should be considered in the ranks of Chemistry and Physics"

 

 

 

ask any normal person what the dianetics is and theyll answer "some kind of medicine?"

 

 

 

:shame: Shame on you L. Ron, shame shame :XD:

[Tigra00]

 

All religions are cults.

 

 

 

They just have more members.

 

 

 

hmmm...oh, yes! you're an idiot! :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, he's right. By definition, all religion's are cults.

[rushrock]

 

 

All religions are cults.

 

 

 

They just have more members.

 

 

 

hmmm...oh, yes! you're an idiot! :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, he's right. By definition, all religion's are cults.

 

 

 

"In religion and sociology, a cult is a cohesive group of people (often a relatively small and recently founded religious movement) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be far outside the mainstream. Its separate status may come about either due to its novel belief system, because of its idiosyncratic practices or because it opposes the interests of the mainstream culture. Other non-religious groups may also display cult-like characteristics." ~~~Quoted from Wikipedia article on "cults."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think that answers my question.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Christianity = religion

 

 

 

Judaism = religion

 

 

 

Buddhism = religion

 

 

 

Group of mass suicidal brainwashers = cult

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, please, tell me how religions, by definition, are cults? :-s

[killersushipunk]

 

 

 

All religions are cults.

 

 

 

They just have more members.

 

 

 

hmmm...oh, yes! you're an idiot! :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, he's right. By definition, all religion's are cults.

 

 

 

"In religion and sociology, a cult is a cohesive group of people (often a relatively small and recently founded religious movement) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be far outside the mainstream. Its separate status may come about either due to its novel belief system, because of its idiosyncratic practices or because it opposes the interests of the mainstream culture. Other non-religious groups may also display cult-like characteristics." ~~~Quoted from Wikipedia article on "cults."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think that answers my question.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Christianity = religion

 

 

 

Judaism = religion

 

 

 

Buddhism = religion

 

 

 

Group of mass suicidal brainwashers = cult

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, please, tell me how religions, by definition, are cults? :-s

 

 

 

So Christianity isn't a cult because it doesn't have a novel belief system? So a guy coming down from heaven through a virgin mother and getting nailed to lumber to save our sins isn't novel?

[warri0r45]

if all religions are cults, then whats a religion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

christianity, buddhism, islam, hinduism, judaism = religions, like it or not.

[kelem_ryu]

1900 years ago christianity was a cult. now it's a religion.

[BDave]

From the little I know about Scientology I think its a cult. Imo a cult is simply a act of a religion which collects money off people and goes into someones pockets rather than being a non-profit organisation that benefits society.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont care what people believe in but what morals they have and at the heart of all religions is a moral basis on how to live life. I am not a strong religous person but I am glad I have had a religous upbringing to give me the morals I have today. Scientology seems strange to me and it may offer some answers to some people (evan though it seems to be based on a fictional book) but I firmly disagree with these cults getting "donations" to line their pockets with. Seems like a big con to me.

[Tigra00]

if all religions are cults, then whats a religion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

christianity, buddhism, islam, hinduism, judaism = religions, like it or not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All religion's start off as cults, like it or not. A lot of them can still be considered cult-like. You don't have to drink Arsenic-Punch and think you're an alien to be in a cult.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even most of Christianity itself today is cult-like. There are dozens of different branches and they all have extreme views. Not a damn single one of them can even agree with eachother.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Same for the Muslim religion. There are people who blow themselves up in the name of Allah. That's pretty extreme.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Same for Hindu's. They worship cow's for gods sake.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ever see the video of the Buddist monk lighting himself on fire to protest government? Yea, that's extreme too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not too familiar with Jews, they're like Christians, only minus Jesus and bacon. :lol: They're not allowed to write the name of god on anything that can be destroyed, either, apparently. Guess I can't say much bad stuff about them, they stay low-profile. Lol.

[darkmage099]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Same for the Muslim religion. There are people who blow themselves up in the name of Allah. That's pretty extreme.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But that is really just an excuse. Nowhere in Islam does it say violence is right.

[Tigra00]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Same for the Muslim religion. There are people who blow themselves up in the name of Allah. That's pretty extreme.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But that is really just an excuse. Nowhere in Islam does it say violence is right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It says that you should do anything to convert people to Islam...Even through use of violence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I cannot remember the exact words, but it says something about turning everyone to Islam, even through use of a sword.

[darkmage099]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Same for the Muslim religion. There are people who blow themselves up in the name of Allah. That's pretty extreme.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But that is really just an excuse. Nowhere in Islam does it say violence is right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It says that you should do anything to convert people to Islam...Even through use of violence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I cannot remember the exact words, but it says something about turning everyone to Islam, even through use of a sword.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quote it in context and we will talk.

[Tigra00]

Go find it, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not going to read the entire thing to find it, I just came across it once a while back. That's exactly what it said - to convert people to Islam even by way of the sword.

[darkmage099]

Go find it, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not going to read the entire thing to find it, I just came across it once a while back. That's exactly what it said - to convert people to Islam even by way of the sword.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your point is moot (Ghost's word \ ) without anything to support it. I know you are wrong. I want you to find that out yourself. Things can be taken out of context with about everything. You can also do a Google search.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you are going to say Jihad, I have an answer. "Jihad is an Arabic word that means "striving in the way of God." This striving can take a number of forms, including the daily inner struggle to be a better person. However, jihad is often used to refer to an armed struggle fought in defense of Islam. That is what the religion says. So the specific religion of Islam is not one of war. When translated into a holy war, this does not mean an actual war. This means an inner struggle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hate all those [wagon] who went out and gave my religion a bad name.

[Guest GhostRanger]

I thought the word jihad translated to mean "struggle" not "striving." And I have also heard of several different verses that refer to things such as trying to convert people, if they don't convert offer them second class citizenship, if they don't accept that then kill them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure where that is or what the context is - any light on verses like that? I think I also heard about one in the 5th chapter about if "non believers" make mischief in your land they can be punishable by crucification, and other various violent things

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once again, I don't know and I don't profess to know. I'm sure there are explanations for these verses I have heard things about.

[LGBR]

Didnt Ron L Hubbard make a bet with Heinlein saying he could make a religion that made money? It was in an old article in Life magazine I think

[Tigra00]

 

Go find it, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not going to read the entire thing to find it, I just came across it once a while back. That's exactly what it said - to convert people to Islam even by way of the sword.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your point is moot (Ghost's word \ ) without anything to support it. I know you are wrong. I want you to find that out yourself. Things can be taken out of context with about everything. You can also do a Google search.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you are going to say Jihad, I have an answer. "Jihad is an Arabic word that means "striving in the way of God." This striving can take a number of forms, including the daily inner struggle to be a better person. However, jihad is often used to refer to an armed struggle fought in defense of Islam. That is what the religion says. So the specific religion of Islam is not one of war. When translated into a holy war, this does not mean an actual war. This means an inner struggle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hate all those [wagon] who went out and gave my religion a bad name.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure you "know" I'm wrong. I'm sure you've even "read" everything about Islam!

[SHIPPOU]

Go find it, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not going to read the entire thing to find it, I just came across it once a while back. That's exactly what it said - to convert people to Islam even by way of the sword.

 

 

 

9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

 

 

 

So far nothing about converting using violance, just says to kill unbeleavers unless they come to you seeking knowledge of the religion....nothing about forcing it onto them....

 

 

 

9:123 O ye who believe! Fight the Unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: And know that Allah is with those who fear Him.