Bufoman Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 strange you should mention that... time travel is not truely possable in the mannor most belive in. time stoping however is. if you could build a ship that could reach the speed of light time would stop within it... only problem is once it has stopd how can you slow the ship down? this also relates to how could we go to other planets? one solution would be to fold space like a wormhole does. read acuber drive system for more information. I think thats how you spell it im not sure. Clan Moderator from December 15th 2006- August 20th 2007Founder of: Terran Gamers, formerly known as Militos Deci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 strange you should mention that... time travel is not truely possable in the mannor most belive in. time stoping however is. if you could build a ship that could reach the speed of light time would stop within it... only problem is once it has stopd how can you slow the ship down? this also relates to how could we go to other planets? one solution would be to fold space like a wormhole does. read acuber drive system for more information. I think thats how you spell it im not sure. Well, firstly it is impossible to get a ship to travel at the speed of light, youd need all the energy in the universe, and more, so your question about slowing the ship down is a little irrelevant. Yea its nice and easy to say that, but how the hell would you fold space time in order for safe transport? Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloaked_Shadow Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 If you believe that traveling a large distance into the future is possible...then you have to believe in fate. Otherwise it would be an ever changing world, with all the possibilities from our time changing it. And this is not possible, because OUR time frame isn't everchanging because of the different possibilities from the past. If someone from a hundred years ago came here, he would NOT see a flowing and changing world. SO: The only way time travel is possible is if there is such thing as fate. Maybe this was posted before? I dunno, I didnt read everything. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Im not sure if we can ever know about fate. At any given moment we can do anything we like, branch onto another life path. But perhaps there is a given route to us by god, i think some relgions believe in fate. Time travel howver has many restricitons and in practise, isnt really possible anyway. Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oy_the_Great Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 And Ghost, I'm not sure I fully understood your post now that i re-read it but yes you're then talking to a person who's 0.02 seconds in the future. 8-) Alright...so he's .02 seconds in the future. Is it possible to explain what that means exactly? If he's .02 seconds in the future - how am I talking to him? Lancer is wrong actually. He isn't in the future, that's impossible of course. Imagine he'd been travelling at a great speed for ages, then he might be a year ahead of us, which is bs. The person is not ahead of us, he has experienced 0.02 secs more in the same time we have experienced in the period of time he travelled faster than we did. If astronaut A flies at 2000 km/s around the world, he would experience what we call an hour on Earth, as two hours, for example. But once he's back on the soil, he'll be just like you and I, obviously. Bill Hicks[/url]":dhj2kan9]Since the one thing we can say about fundamental matter is, that it is vibrating. And since all vibrations are theoretically sound, then it is not unreasonable to suggest that the universe is music and should be perceived as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Time travel in the sense of Dr. Who style Tardis machines probably isn't possible. Time dilation and ageing faster or slower relative to another person is perfectly reasonable. Just not quite as cool :P "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueTear Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Lancer is wrong actually. He isn't in the future, that's impossible of course. Imagine he'd been travelling at a great speed for ages, then he might be a year ahead of us, which is bs. The person is not ahead of us, he has experienced 0.02 secs more in the same time we have experienced in the period of time he travelled faster than we did. If astronaut A flies at 2000 km/s around the world, he would experience what we call an hour on Earth, as two hours, for example. But once he's back on the soil, he'll be just like you and I, obviously. Err... No? An hour of subjective time for him would be two hours on Earth. Time dilation. -This message was deviously brought to you by: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oy_the_Great Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Lancer is wrong actually. He isn't in the future, that's impossible of course. Imagine he'd been travelling at a great speed for ages, then he might be a year ahead of us, which is bs. The person is not ahead of us, he has experienced 0.02 secs more in the same time we have experienced in the period of time he travelled faster than we did. If astronaut A flies at 2000 km/s around the world, he would experience what we call an hour on Earth, as two hours, for example. But once he's back on the soil, he'll be just like you and I, obviously. Err... No? An hour of subjective time for him would be two hours on Earth. Time dilation. Yeah, no reason to make a fuss about it. I just wanted to clarify that no one can time travel, it is just a different experience. Besides, everyone else before me was wrong as well :) Kinda the same with freezing cells; time is seemingly halted, but it actually continues, just has different effects. Bill Hicks[/url]":dhj2kan9]Since the one thing we can say about fundamental matter is, that it is vibrating. And since all vibrations are theoretically sound, then it is not unreasonable to suggest that the universe is music and should be perceived as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Of course its possible :D Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Of course its possible :D Nice proof & discussion :thumbsup: Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragen Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 My understanding of time is that it is linked competely with speed. IF you are completely stationary ie. at the center of the universe then time does not pass. And at the other end of the scale, travelling at the speed of light, then time is skipped. No idea where I got that from, but I think it is correct. Shoot me if I'm wrong though. Thanks Venomai for this super sig and Kwimbob for the awesome avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megadedhed Posted December 5, 2006 Author Share Posted December 5, 2006 If you believe that traveling a large distance into the future is possible...then you have to believe in fate. Otherwise it would be an ever changing world, with all the possibilities from our time changing it. And this is not possible, because OUR time frame isn't everchanging because of the different possibilities from the past. If someone from a hundred years ago came here, he would NOT see a flowing and changing world. SO: The only way time travel is possible is if there is such thing as fate. Maybe this was posted before? I dunno, I didnt read everything. how do you know that every time it is changed, you dont know because you change completely and never could notice it because it never existed. Sigs made by Runemetsa, Nuzza, Dark_Shadow, Kuroi and Me.liquid blobs attacking eachother American Anime... YAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 My understanding of time is that it is linked competely with speed. IF you are completely stationary ie. at the center of the universe then time does not pass. And at the other end of the scale, travelling at the speed of light, then time is skipped. No idea where I got that from, but I think it is correct. Shoot me if I'm wrong though. Linked with speed yes, and mass/gravity. Howwwever, just being picky, you cant really talk about the center of the universe, nor assume if it existed it would be stationary. If space is finite, there will be a middle point, but there are no real referrence points in space. If space is infinite, every point is the center, in which case, your theory is flawed. So like what you said, if your overall speed is 0, which is pretty hard, because you dont know if the universe itself is moving, the gravitational force around you would also have to be 0, as that affects time too. (E.g in black holes, time slows down) Nevertheless, as travelling at the speed of light, which is impossible, you would experience no time, which is what you said:) That brings a question to mind, what would happen if you travelled at the speed of light into a black hole...? Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterxman Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Well I always wondered if in the future someone found a way to go back in time, and just keeps doing it, changing history all the time. Since we wouldn't notice the changes (previous alternate history would not have ever existed in our memory so nothing to forget or remember). The history we know right now may have just been made. Pixel sigs by me.Pixel Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Well I always wondered if in the future someone found a way to go back in time, and just keeps doing it, changing history all the time. Since we wouldn't notice the changes (previous alternate history would not have ever existed in our memory so nothing to forget or remember). The history we know right now may have just been made. What I was thinking about a few days ago was this: What if someone did go to the past. However, they changed time and (thus) the person who developed the time machine never lived. Thus, the time machine was never actualy created, which means that he would have not been able to get to the past from that time in the future. What the heck would happen then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Same sort of paradox if you went back in time and stopped your parents from meeting up in the first place, what would happen to you? Doesnt seem logical for time travel backwards Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman089 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I just wish I could go back in time as myself in a younger age, but with all the knowledge I have now. Id be the 2nd grader owning trig. Gamertag: King Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Same sort of paradox if you went back in time and stopped your parents from meeting up in the first place, what would happen to you? Doesnt seem logical for time travel backwards Yeah it really doesn't. The bigest thing I saw is if we somehow did find the technolgy to do it... The chances of it screwing up the future so no one could go to the past would be huge. I mean, it would be incredibly hard to go back in time and not change time so that you would have the same situation in the future. Than again, I really am not very knowledgable on theorys for time travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 If anyone feels like reading a good book over Christmas break - I recommend ch-Redemption-Christopher-Columbus-Orson/dp/0812508645/sr=8-1/qid=1165351513/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-6915079-7199629?ie=UTF8&s=books]Pas[bleep]ch by Orson Scott Card. It's a real interesting approach to the consequences of time travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Well, one of the laws of thermodynamics or something like that states that there has always got to be a decrease of "order" as we travel through time. Like when we eat an apple, we convert the apples stored energy into energy for movement, respiration etc, same sort of thing with coal, oil. Now day if disordered beings such as ourselves went back into a more ordered world, this would be a violation of this law, and therefore impossible (trust be about this law thing :P ) I think i have read somewhere that time travel backward is proven to be impossible. Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 If anyone feels like reading a good book over Christmas break - I recommend ch-Redemption-Christopher-Columbus-Orson/dp/0812508645/sr=8-1/qid=1165351513/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-6915079-7199629?ie=UTF8&s=books]Pas[bleep]ch by Orson Scott Card. It's a real interesting approach to the consequences of time travel. A brief history of time by stephen hawking is a nice read too, and hes one of the best scientists in the world. Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragen Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 If you could somehow manage to get a minus speed, then I think that would be travelling backwards in time. Question is, will it ever be possible? Thanks Venomai for this super sig and Kwimbob for the awesome avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 If you could somehow manage to get a minus speed, then I think that would be travelling backwards in time. Question is, will it ever be possible? I don't think it is. In geometry, for example, you can't have negatives as an answer. There is no such thing as a negative length in the real world. You can't have a book, for example, that is negative 9.5in. So I think that (if you followed that rule) than it would be pretty impossible to move at a negative speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterdez Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 If you could somehow manage to get a minus speed, then I think that would be travelling backwards in time. Question is, will it ever be possible? No such thing, speed is infact velocity. Velocity is a vector, has a direction (speed is merely the magnitude and is always positive). So there isnt really such thing as a negative speed as you are suggesting Founder of Fast Free Double Natures Click here to see my Goals and Achievements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 If you could somehow manage to get a minus speed, then I think that would be travelling backwards in time. Question is, will it ever be possible? No such thing, speed is infact velocity. Velocity is a vector, has a direction (speed is merely the magnitude and is always positive). So there isnt really such thing as a negative speed as you are suggesting Just as there isn't a negative temperature. You reach absolute zero and there's no colder or slower you could go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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