Anesthesia Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 They don't have the exact same character traits, but they have *very similiar* ones. The reason behind this difference is the fact that people have traits from multiple horoscopes. Me for example, I have traits from virgo, cancer, scorpio, pisces. But most of your traits are from your basic horoscope (virgo for me), and it's not that hard to find your traits from other horoscopes as well. So any horoscope can have traits of any other horoscope? And there was me thinking things couldn't get any vaguer. and likes to seek for freedom. As said before, everyone will want this (well, far more than 90%). You might as well chuck some other clever deductions in there too, like "has hair" or "walks on 2 legs". usually have a sweet smile. Heh, certainly not true. They are very popular, but they prefer to keep a distance from others. Isn't that a contradiction? For male libras, they like girls with good facial features and lots of common interests. For female libras, they like knowledgable guys who are respectable of others, looks are also an important criteria. Again, you just described everyone in the entire world. This doesn't even deserve to be called a pseudoscience. I am honestly surprised you take these things seriously - just LOOK at what you've said; even you have expressed how anything can apply to anyone. There is no method to this. Some people are changed by being a moderator. I wouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____ Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 it's all BS :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ltfairy Posted December 10, 2006 Author Share Posted December 10, 2006 Virgo. Virgoes are a group of perfectionist. They mature at an early age, and are able to be independent. They are good critics, and are good at analysing. They are pretty down to earth, but they always give people the impression of deep in thought when others see them. They can be pretty stubborn at times, making them unwilling to step down in times of defeat. So you're of the belief that 500,000,000 people worldwide have the same sort of day every day? i agree on the topic of horoscopes, i just cant understand why some people devote themselves to them religously. sorry for not contributing to your topic the way you would have liked. I have already said, it's an analysis of character traits, nothing to do with daily life or luck. So you're of the belief that 500,000,000 people worldwide have the same sort of day every day? At my opinion, they may have those traits but they may not show them much, or just too much, or w/e. Btw, I am Pisces .. tell me what I'm like : :ohnoes: Pisces are a group of soft-hearted, kind people. They like to dream a lot, and find it hard to motivate themselves to succeed. The pisces symbol is two fishes heading in different directions. Different from the twins in gemini, these two fishes symbolises either retreat or success (they will usually follow the current and retreat). Pisces are shy, and thus find themselves easily hurt. For male pisces, they like sweet and mature girls. For female pisces, they like guys who are handsome and smart. There you go. :) They don't have the exact same character traits, but they have *very similiar* ones. The reason behind this difference is the fact that people have traits from multiple horoscopes. Me for example, I have traits from virgo, cancer, scorpio, pisces. But most of your traits are from your basic horoscope (virgo for me), and it's not that hard to find your traits from other horoscopes as well. So any horoscope can have traits of any other horoscope? And there was me thinking things couldn't get any vaguer. and likes to seek for freedom. As said before, everyone will want this (well, far more than 90%). You might as well chuck some other clever deductions in there too, like "has hair" or "walks on 2 legs". usually have a sweet smile. Heh, certainly not true. They are very popular, but they prefer to keep a distance from others. Isn't that a contradiction? For male libras, they like girls with good facial features and lots of common interests. For female libras, they like knowledgable guys who are respectable of others, looks are also an important criteria. Again, you just described everyone in the entire world. This doesn't even deserve to be called a pseudoscience. I am honestly surprised you take these things seriously - just LOOK at what you've said; even you have expressed how anything can apply to anyone. There is no method to this. There is still a difference, they aren't 100% similiar. And one character trait can *never* apply to *everyone*. Besides, some people have character traits 99% as what the horoscopes said they were, so it is not vague in my opinion. Are you sure that more than 90% of the people in the world seeks for freedom? Well, that might be true in Europe, where the people there are given lots of freedom. But it's not true at all in Asia, where many people tend to rely on their country and parents. They *tend* to be popular, doesn't mean they *like* to be popular. It's not a contradiction of the character, please don't confuse yourself. Again, are you sure *everyone* likes girls with good facial features and lots of common interest? Well, I do know some guys that don't mind anything about how their girlfriends look, or whether they have any common interests. it's all BS :thumbsup: And can you tell me in what way is this BS? RS Player Since 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runemetsa Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 I'm aries, and for some reason, all things that are said about aries' usually match with me. Odd. :uhh: [Star Wreck][PM me][My gallery][DeviantArt][Cool T-shirts!][iron Sky - Trailer is now out!] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ltfairy Posted December 10, 2006 Author Share Posted December 10, 2006 I'm aries, and for some reason, all things that are said about aries' usually match with me. Odd. :uhh: Gotcha! :P That's why horoscopes is still believable, not 100%, but still to a certain extent. And you might know things about yourself which you have never thought of. RS Player Since 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____ Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 And can you tell me in what way is this BS?I know 8 Leo's (myself included), 5 of which I have known for over 6 years. None of us are even remotely similar. A horoscope that covers all of us without being so vague it covers every person on the planet is essentially impossible to write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubsa Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Don't you find it pathetic that you cannot control who you want to be, decide how you want to act and change your own future, because it's pre-determined in the stars? This is how much you all raised for charity. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runesmithie Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 /me wonders how many people are going to continue trolling Horoscopes are just a bit of fun, no need to critically analyze them I just posted something! ^_^ to the terrorist...er... kirbybeam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelem_ryu Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 runesmithie, if born on 23rd of august might be a virgo. Horoscopes based just on the sun placement ("sign of zodiac") are uhm.. a bit shallow. I read dozends of books on astrology, so i know quite a bit on the subject. Still there are some things you can tell about a person just by knowing their sun position in the zodiac circle, although you can't take the stereotypes for granted, because there are so many other factors, that can alter them. Analyzing a horoscope takes intuitution, knowledge and lots of experience. ------ As said before i'm a leo and proud of it. 8-) Most of my friends are either cancers or saggitarii and usually i feel attracted to virgo girls obviously (best taken with some libra, cancer and saggitarius flavour, yummy :D ). Also although i know other leos, they aren't the people i would spend time with and i have a problem with pisces, because they are so, soo.. piscesish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____ Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 runesmithie, if born on 23rd of august might be a virgo. Horoscopes based just on the sun placement ("sign of zodiac") are uhm.. a bit shallow. I read dozends of books on astrology, so i know quite a bit on the subject.I come across a lot of publications that like to place Aug 22 (me) as a Virgo. Which is also why it's all BS. No standardization ftl. Two horoscopes for apparently opposite people can't apply to the same person now can they? If so, then you know none of them are written for said signl just people in general ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelem_ryu Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 runesmithie, if born on 23rd of august might be a virgo. Horoscopes based just on the sun placement ("sign of zodiac") are uhm.. a bit shallow. I read dozends of books on astrology, so i know quite a bit on the subject.I come across a lot of publications that like to place Aug 22 (me) as a Virgo. Which is also why it's all BS. No standardization ftl. Two horoscopes for apparently opposite people can't apply to the same person now can they? If so, then you know none of them are written for said signl just people in general ;) Nono, the position of the sun can be figured out. It's precise. It's pure astronomy. If i knew the exact date and time i could tell for sure. Also no two people have the exact same horoscope, unless they are born within a few minutes on the exact same place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunapasa Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 I was born on the 14th of October (libra? don't know for sure). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anesthesia Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 There is still a difference, they aren't 100% similiar. And one character trait can *never* apply to *everyone*. Besides, some people have character traits 99% as what the horoscopes said they were, so it is not vague in my opinion. Do you know what vague means? It means 'can apply to everyone' in this context. That means that I could give a horoscope like this: "Has two arms, two legs, hair growing out of the head, two eyes, likes eating, enjoys the intake of fluids" - that can apply to 99% of people. It is still vague though. Understand yet? Are you sure that more than 90% of the people in the world seeks for freedom? Well, that might be true in Europe, where the people there are given lots of freedom. But it's not true at all in Asia, where many people tend to rely on their country and parents. There is a difference between freedom and independence. Please don't confuse yourself. Again, are you sure *everyone* likes girls with good facial features and lots of common interest? Well, I do know some guys that don't mind anything about how their girlfriends look, or whether they have any common interests. You know a very small minority of guys then. It is still painfully vague. it's all BS :thumbsup: And can you tell me in what way is this BS? Because there is no method to it. It is a case of providing vague statements to which people who believe in the magic of astrology can say "oh that applies to me!" It is BS because you have said that people of different zodiac signs can have traits from others. That is like my speculating about the appearance of someone whom I've never met saying "he could have brown hair, but it may also be black, blonde or red - he may also be a woman." I'm aries, and for some reason, all things that are said about aries' usually match with me. Odd. :uhh: Gotcha! :P That's why horoscopes is still believable, not 100%, but still to a certain extent. When someone who believes in something self-reports then it is not evidence of success. They are biased and can easily interpret your vague statements so that they apply to themselves - that is not accuracy; it is being vague and open ended. Some people are changed by being a moderator. I wouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelem_ryu Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Anasthesia, i doubt you have any knowledge of this subject. I thought it was [cabbage] myself, but after reading a couple of books i discovered that astrology has a very solid foundation on wich it bases it's insights. It seems the people who reason against it, never took their time to do their homework and their conclusions are biased by what they think astrology is. In truth they are just parroting the common, uneducated point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runesmithie Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 runesmithie, if born on 23rd of august might be a virgo. Horoscopes based just on the sun placement ("sign of zodiac") are uhm.. a bit shallow. I read dozends of books on astrology, so i know quite a bit on the subject. Still there are some things you can tell about a person just by knowing their sun position in the zodiac circle, although you can't take the stereotypes for granted, because there are so many other factors, that can alter them. Analyzing a horoscope takes intuitution, knowledge and lots of experience. ------ As said before i'm a leo and proud of it. 8-) Most of my friends are either cancers or saggitarii and usually i feel attracted to virgo girls obviously (best taken with some libra, cancer and saggitarius flavour, yummy :D ). Also although i know other leos, they aren't the people i would spend time with and i have a problem with pisces, because they are so, soo.. piscesish. 23rd of July ;) I just posted something! ^_^ to the terrorist...er... kirbybeam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelem_ryu Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 runesmithie, if born on 23rd of august might be a virgo. Horoscopes based just on the sun placement ("sign of zodiac") are uhm.. a bit shallow. I read dozends of books on astrology, so i know quite a bit on the subject. Still there are some things you can tell about a person just by knowing their sun position in the zodiac circle, although you can't take the stereotypes for granted, because there are so many other factors, that can alter them. Analyzing a horoscope takes intuitution, knowledge and lots of experience. ------ As said before i'm a leo and proud of it. 8-) Most of my friends are either cancers or saggitarii and usually i feel attracted to virgo girls obviously (best taken with some libra, cancer and saggitarius flavour, yummy :D ). Also although i know other leos, they aren't the people i would spend time with and i have a problem with pisces, because they are so, soo.. piscesish. 23rd of July ;) depends on time. if you are born in the evening you are a virgo, if born in the morning you are a leo. I'm not that sure on the astronomic aspects, but i think it doesn't matter wich year. Place is completely irrelevant methinks. So i'd need to know the time and the timezone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelem_ryu Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 For all the people out there, who have never seen an astronomical chart here is one: You need the date, exact time (+- 2minutes won't really matter usually) and the coordinates of the place. The picture is of my birth chart, but you can of course make one for any event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anesthesia Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 You haven't really provided any counters to my points though have you, kelem_ryu? Some people are changed by being a moderator. I wouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
issy2 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 LIBRA. Balance. 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anesthesia Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 It's all very well claiming I don't know anything about the subject but you haven't shown what I'm saying to be untrue, nor have you explained this supposedly solid foundation. What's more, the very fact that someone's birth is a long drawn out procedure is more evidence that this is simple quackery. Why doesn't it kick in at the time of conception? Does the womb shield you from the astrological magic? What about the fact that birth certificates aren't necessarily completed at the exact time of birth (whenever you determine that to be within the many minutes it is actually taking place). Astrology originated around 600BC. At this time astrologers knew about 6 planets - Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Saturn and Jupiter. They did not have telescopes, which were invented in 1608, to see the others. When the other planets were discovered they magically started having an effect on astrological calculations, as though they'd known about them all along. What about the fact that Pluto is no longer considered a planet? Pray, tell us how stellar bodies magically affect our lives? If you want to pretend astrology is a science then it has to play by the rules of science. The force must have a measured and predictable effect. It must be testable. No astrologer predicted any of the outer planets based on the forces they must have been exerting on us. What about the fact that Uranus, Neptune and Pluto's names were decided by a vote? That their names have nothing to do with their 'characters'? I prefer the science of voodoo dolls. Some people are changed by being a moderator. I wouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelem_ryu Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 It's all very well claiming I don't know anything about the subject but you haven't shown what I'm saying to be untrue, nor have you explained this supposedly solid foundation. No, i haven't and i don't intend to. If you are seriously interested in the subject, there are plenty of books on it. The topic is: "What's your Horoscope?" not "Let's discuss Astrology!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubsa Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Anasthesia, i doubt you have any knowledge of this subject. I thought it was [cabbage] myself, but after reading a couple of books i discovered that astrology has a very solid foundation on wich it bases it's insights. Ah, I see. Browsing over a few books means you do have knowledge of the subject. Clearly, how wrong of us, Mr. Expert. This is how much you all raised for charity. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelem_ryu Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Anasthesia, i doubt you have any knowledge of this subject. I thought it was [cabbage] myself, but after reading a couple of books i discovered that astrology has a very solid foundation on wich it bases it's insights. Ah, I see. Browsing over a few books means you do have knowledge of the subject. Clearly, how wrong of us, Mr. Expert. How do YOU gain knowledge on a subject? How many did YOU read?Besides i studied easily two dozend books on astrology over a couple of years. Sorry that i don't have decades of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anesthesia Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Yet you are unable to explain this supposedly solid foundation, or counter any of the points I made against it? They must have been pretty poor books. Either that you you were just looking at the pictures. Some people are changed by being a moderator. I wouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubsa Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Anasthesia, i doubt you have any knowledge of this subject. I thought it was [cabbage] myself, but after reading a couple of books i discovered that astrology has a very solid foundation on wich it bases it's insights. Ah, I see. Browsing over a few books means you do have knowledge of the subject. Clearly, how wrong of us, Mr. Expert. How do YOU gain knowledge on a subject? Besides i studied easily two dozend books on astrology. Oh right, so it's gone from a couple to 24? You sure read fast. I've yet to see any form of arguement derived from your magnitude of 'fact' either. This is how much you all raised for charity. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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