hi all, i havn't been here in a while...mostly spending my time on clan forum sites, and my home: Mayhem Makers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyhoo...i have been arguing with this 16 year old kid for 2 months straight come December 20th, and...wow. I have never seen such ignorance in my entire life. I don't know how else to respond to him. I don't know if he:

 

 

 

a. is stupid (and brainwashed)

 

 

 

b. blatant liar

 

 

 

c. mental patient

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have come up with every argument i can possibly think of...but i just don't know how to respond anymore and have run out of willpower.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyway...here is what his post consisted of (please read all of it, i feel i can get more intelligent arguments here than i did on MM...as it's me, and two others versus this kid while every1 else spams lol):

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most of you are not going to bother to read all this: Please dont spam if your not intresnted in my way of thinking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I felt like covering And revealing some things than have been lied for you for centruries:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well Do you think when you die, you just rot in the ground? OR dou you think if u was good u go to god, and if u was bad u go to devil, or u reborn?

 

 

 

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4&q=aliens

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... iens&hl=en

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... iens&hl=en

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This does not dissaprove or Approve Jesus Crist and his father GOD, It simply gives additional information on religion, and possibilies for you as a being, also gives more full description\perspective on GOD.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Story

 

 

 

Well first of all, Before i begin the story, How do I know this stuff?

 

 

 

My Part of Family Use to work for KGB, which is secret goverment in russia protecting you from things you dont want to know that are happening, if you did world would fall into big panic. So he use to work there and he ended up retiring with out getting shot in the head, others were not so lucky. So my GrandDad Had few files, fotos, even vids, and stories, of what was happening in world war 2. Behind all humanitys back...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My grandads involvement in the KGB

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My grandad told me how it all began, at first at ww2, the first encounter with a "ufo" was :

 

 

 

There was a ship with military suplies, going to some location and there were 2 war airplanes flying and keeping guard in the air along the ship.

 

 

 

And all the sudden out of nowhere, in a blink of an eye This disk flyies and just captures the plane inside of it. And goes into the clouds, other air plane tried chasing the disk but it got out of sigh in matter of couple of seconds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok now my gran dad involvment in KGB.

 

 

 

He was an engineer and he use to work with new techonlogy and design new weapons and new air crafts. So he use to get pieces of stuff he never seen before, out of unknown metals, and he was told to duplicate this and make it into a plane. Also the pilots and generals use to talk between them selfs. Did you see the "creatures"? And the answer was, they are comming tonight to "port".

 

 

 

Then later on my grandad got promoted, and he use to file all memos\photos\videos of space crafts and the aliens.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And my grandad was really facinated with the intergalatical guests, he use to read trough memos and learn about them as much as possible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Story Continued

 

 

 

Humans did encounter "Aliens" Being from another planet. We made a friendly contact with them. Goverment leaders agreed with aliens to give some humans for echange for some technology, But aliens are so far advanced that even the wildest fantasy movie could not capture it. So Aliens said: We will give u some technology over time, when you can be capabable on undersntanding it. Also goverment said: You cannot bee seen, the amount of ppl that have been taken by you cannot be biggerthan certain number(the number i dont know), and they must be returned to the place they were taken from, with out any recalling of what happened. Alien existence must be kept in secret.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well anyways, so aliens had to report from time to time, hows everything going, are they staying on there pact and stuff. Blah Blah Blah(so much to tell not going even bother typing it)

 

 

 

So when talk came to regilion, thats what they said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We are not afraid of death, this is only a "ship"(meaning the body) for our "galactical bodies"(meaning the spirit). There is a place in space where all "spirits" travel, that place you call god, but lets define God, god is the most powerfull\inteligent ENERGY in the universe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When you "die" you leave ur body, either you are confused and lost and u do not know what happened, and stay and relive ur memories.

 

 

 

Or you go REBORN. Which is called reincarnation.

 

 

 

OR you go seek the knowledge, from the god.

 

 

 

So basicaly what im saying, Over time, you can become the god in your "energy form" or in another words in your ghost form.

 

 

 

All you need is time, and knowledge, when you know as much as god does,

 

 

 

you=god

 

 

 

Becouse god=most powerfull\inteligent energy in the universe.

 

 

 

I think aliens are traveling form galaxy to galaxy to seek that knowledge, to learn it and to continue exploring the unvirese, when they cover the unviverse, they will learn everything there is to learn, thus will make them into "GODS".

 

 

 

PLus you might say, universe is very big place, and it cannot be covered, Humans could have been exploring the unviverse in 1960s, if one guy dint get shot in the head.(very unusuall story, some1 dint want him reveal that information...) He had a "forula\map\scheme\idea\invention done, to make point

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A------------------------------------------------B

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Become

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A-B

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

His plan had to do with "StarGate" "WormHoles".

 

 

 

Only rumors were left of his plan, and the idea died. But why did it die? Some1 does not want us exploring the universe yet. So some1 does not want us to gain that power....

 

 

 

Goverment is hiding alien existence for many reasons. The biggest one is massive panic that would go world wide.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lesson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My Main lesson is: There is GOD, the most powerfull inteligent being in the universe, but what if u become powerfull and inteligent as GOD, by exploring unvirses and its secrets. That would make u equal to god, which would kind of prove that GOD "is just way way way far advanced alien spirit" That has uncovered every single secret in the unviverse. Aliens are trying to travel to all parts of universe and learn all that they can learn about everything in order to become complete in another words become "GODS?"

 

 

 

Maybe God was here before the unvirse was,

 

 

 

maybe god has not been from the begining of the unvirse,

 

 

 

maybe hes just really old alien spirit=energy. Which has uncovered EVERY SINGLE SECRET IN THE UNVIVERSE.

 

 

 

I can tell you one thing, aliens that are visiting earth, are in search of knowledge and lots of it, and the reason is KNOWLEDGE=POWER.

 

 

 

Maybe once u become complete u do become part of the original god, making god even more complete and making him the only god and the most complete god.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So A Summary as short it could be is above you... ^

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But now a summary of a summary...:

 

 

 

God=Most powerfull energy in the unviverse

 

 

 

Spirit=energy

 

 

 

power=knowledge

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So When we die, we become energy.

 

 

 

There are many roads we can take from here, we can reborn, wonder, travel to the god and ask for wisdom. Or become part of god?

 

 

 

Or you can reborn in a diffrent planet, and continue ur journey in search of universe secrets, and once u learn all of unvireses secrets

 

 

 

You = God

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Answers To: Questions\Statments

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

first of all Hey sw0rd and everyone else, long time no see, and finally i read all of that im not saying i dont believe you but im not saying i do either but than again im someone that doesnt have a religion cause i don't believe things until i see it, yes i know im hard headed but eh if this is what you think it sounds more likely than any of the religions i've tried so yeah this is the most realistic thing ive ever heard of...

 

 

 

Well there is big part of all religions in there, they got something in common.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fact, that after we die, there is something left, something u cannot see or touch, but its there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The spirit which = energy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Christians go to= u go to god or hell

 

 

 

Hindu or something like that=believes ur spirit reencarnates.(reborn)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Both of these are true, but not true to the end...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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So, Well a question I would loved to know an answer to is?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How did we know about spirits?

 

 

 

Was there really a Son OF the GOD? That has taken a humanly shape in order to leave a message to earth?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Becouse Bible sure Says: God is not flesh and blood, it is something u cannot see or touch, but its somewhere out there. It is "spirit"=energy.

 

 

 

~!~!~!~! Keep in mind, this is just a breif summary, i could give u 50 pages easy on this, this is kept Very SHORT SHORT, and in most basic terms so every1 could understand~!~!~!~!~!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i have many arguments against him...and he has a lot of animosity b/c i destroy his theories...but i need some help...so please tip.it save me

wow that was confusing!

 

 

 

:-k :-k :-k

 

 

 

So that mean alien are real ahah

 

 

 

8-) :mrgreen: :thumbsup: \ first post woot!!!!!

Why do you try to destroy his believes?

Why do you try to destroy his believes?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

b/c they are not beliefs...he accepts them as FACTS from his secret agent KBG grandpa

 

Why do you try to destroy his believes?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

b/c they are not beliefs...he accepts them as FACTS from his secret agent KBG grandpa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: I think you should make him understand, that most people will think he is either a liar, or stupid.

 

 

 

EDIT2: and give him to think, that it might not be the wisest thing to do, to give people a reason to think of him that way.

 

 

Why do you try to destroy his believes?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

b/c they are not beliefs...he accepts them as FACTS from his secret agent KBG grandpa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

he made the thread to "shed light" on every1...so i told him it was a load of cabbage...and he calls me a fool for believing what my government tells me...etc...etc...etc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

edit: i've tried making him understand...by destroying his arguments. he has no proof of his claims and says "I proved you wrong"

If u government told u its true in my book

Looks like he is just making a joke. There are a lot of people who do this on the net, for example The Flat Earth Society. They claim that they actually believe in it, so much so that people start thinking that the people believe it. But it is all pretty much a joke :P .

 

 

 

Why do you try to destroy his believes?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

b/c they are not beliefs...he accepts them as FACTS from his secret agent KBG grandpa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

he made the thread to "shed light" on every1...so i told him it was a load of cabbage...and he calls me a fool for believing what my government tells me...etc...etc...etc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

edit: i've tried making him understand...by destroying his arguments. he has no proof of his claims and says "I proved you wrong"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's not what i meant. Imo it's pretty much impossible to "prove" things in arguments, so that all involved are convinced. Both of you believe the other one is wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Looks like he is just making a joke. There are a lot of people who do this on the net, for example The Flat Earth Society. They claim that they actually believe in it, so much so that people start thinking that the people believe it. But it is all pretty much a joke :P .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah! Some mind - [bleep] activists =)

Looks like he is just making a joke. There are a lot of people who do this on the net, for example The Flat Earth Society. They claim that they actually believe in it, so much so that people start thinking that the people believe it. But it is all pretty much a joke :P .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

he argues with a passion man...2 months? 60 pages of material...it's not possible...hours and hours

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lemme read that site though lol

If u government told u its true in my book

 

 

 

lmao.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes, the government is a pillar of truth.

 

Looks like he is just making a joke. There are a lot of people who do this on the net, for example The Flat Earth Society. They claim that they actually believe in it, so much so that people start thinking that the people believe it. But it is all pretty much a joke :P .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

he argues with a passion man...2 months? 60 pages of material...it's not possible...hours and hours

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lemme read that site though lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Flat Earth Society, or one of the other clubs, have been going on for many years :P . I can't find the story now but a year or two ago one of the main members of one of them told people they were all making a joke out of it, and that they really didn't believe it. The rest have all been continuing on with their preaching :D .

 

 

Looks like he is just making a joke. There are a lot of people who do this on the net, for example The Flat Earth Society. They claim that they actually believe in it, so much so that people start thinking that the people believe it. But it is all pretty much a joke :P .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

he argues with a passion man...2 months? 60 pages of material...it's not possible...hours and hours

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lemme read that site though lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Flat Earth Society, or one of the other clubs, have been going on for many years :P . I can't find the story now but a year or two ago one of the main members of one of them told people they were all making a joke out of it, and that they really didn't believe it. The rest have all been continuing on with their preaching :D .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

haha...that's pretty interesting... :D

 

If u government told u its true in my book

 

 

 

lmao.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes, the government is a pillar of truth.

 

 

 

Do i detect sarcasum?

 

 

 

Maby not in ALL government is correct but if not government then who???

 

 

If u government told u its true in my book

 

 

 

lmao.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes, the government is a pillar of truth.

 

 

 

Do i detect sarcasum?

 

 

 

Maby not in ALL government is correct but if not government then who???

how's about trust no one in a position of power.

how's about trust no one in a position of power.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Better yet, trust no one at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ha! Ha ha!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First off, if this kid had truly known anything about what he's talking about, he would know that the KGB was not created until 1954, well AFTER WWII ENDED.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Second, the KGB had no "engineering" department. The Soviet Union had special military scientists, of course, but if any of them had any direct link to the KGB it was for the sole purpose of spying on the other scientists, making sure that they didn't give any secrets away to America or Britain, NOT for doing any research or engineering at all. The KGB's spies never actually did any scientific work, completely contrary to this story.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Third, if his "grand dad" had really kept "memos" in "files" from his "job," he would have been killed, no question. Seriously, deliberately taking files and documents from a Soviet miltary engineering institute? I've gotta hand it to his "grand dad," he's really got some balls. Such a blatant and obvious violation would have earned him, and probably his whole family, a permanent stay in the Hotel Lubyanka. :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Such stupidity. Nobody had better mess with the REAL KGB! :thumbsup:

If u government told u its true in my book

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you don't believe them you'll be called a terrorist and end up in a camp nobody knows about with very little food and horrible living conditions. *The government is all knowing..*

 

how's about trust no one in a position of power.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Better yet, trust no one at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol! This definitely feels true sometimes. So maybe trusting your feelings too much isn't the best thing you can do.

 

 

If u government told u its true in my book

 

 

 

lmao.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes, the government is a pillar of truth.

 

 

 

Do i detect sarcasum?

 

 

 

Maby not in ALL government is correct but if not government then who???

 

 

 

Trust someone who has nothing to lose by telling the truth.

There is no cabal... :uhh:

Ha! Ha ha!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First off, if this kid had truly known anything about what he's talking about, he would know that the KGB was not created until 1954, well AFTER WWII ENDED.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Second, the KGB had no "engineering" department. The Soviet Union had special military scientists, of course, but if any of them had any direct link to the KGB it was for the sole purpose of spying on the other scientists, making sure that they didn't give any secrets away to America or Britain, NOT for doing any research or engineering at all. The KGB's spies never actually did any scientific work, completely contrary to this story.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Third, if his "grand dad" had really kept "memos" in "files" from his "job," he would have been killed, no question. Seriously, deliberately taking files and documents from a Soviet miltary engineering institute? I've gotta hand it to his "grand dad," he's really got some balls. Such a blatant and obvious violation would have earned him, and probably his whole family, a permanent stay in the Hotel Lubyanka. :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Such stupidity. Nobody had better mess with the REAL KGB! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I might have misinterpreted my self, what i was referring to. Back in europe ww2, did not end till 1990-1991. Well it was no longer ww2, but The Russians were still trying to take over Baltic countries. And the war continued out there, around the exact center of the europe.(Lithuania,Latvia,Estonia, Prussia...)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

KGB-Had scientists,engineers. If you dint know, KGB is like National security in Russia, they also have spies and etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also KGB, has been there since 1920s i believe, just under diffrent name and diffrent rules\system.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since 1950s they got involved with aliens,thats why it was called to national security(KGB), thats where things started going.

 

 

 

So don't you tell me I don't know what im talking about, yet again, its from what perspective you look at it, and i was looking from European perspective , and thats because I was born in europe and did live there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

his response to you...

Looks like he is just making a joke. There are a lot of people who do this on the net, for example The Flat Earth Society. They claim that they actually believe in it, so much so that people start thinking that the people believe it. But it is all pretty much a joke :P .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LOL Ubuntu still posts there? I see he's very active haha.

He seems to be a bit naive and confuses ww2 with the cold war?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

btw i just watched the first video, this guy linked to. It's a nice unbiased documentary.

He seems to be a bit naive and confuses ww2 with the cold war?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

telling ya...you don't understand where his head is

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cold war=When you fight with nuclear weapons you create nuclear winter because of the big explosion and because of the radiation the dust it pushed into the atmosphere blocking all of the sunlight, causing winter at any time of year.(dust got blown to the atmosphere, blocking sun light=cold)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WW2=when most of the world fought at the same time.