Saddam Hussein's Execution and Trial - discuss

[rushrock]

 

Seeing as he wasn't quite the religious sort, I sincerely doubt that mattered much to him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well he's saying his prayers before he gets hanged, so while obviously not the most devout chap in town, he still had religious beliefs. Still for the Sunnis who followed him, they can use his death as a symbol more than if he's locked up in jail till he dies.

 

 

 

How does that prove he wasn't devout?

[Lord_K]

 

 

Seeing as he wasn't quite the religious sort, I sincerely doubt that mattered much to him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well he's saying his prayers before he gets hanged, so while obviously not the most devout chap in town, he still had religious beliefs. Still for the Sunnis who followed him, they can use his death as a symbol more than if he's locked up in jail till he dies.

 

 

 

How does that prove he wasn't devout?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No I was saying, it doesn't matter so much whether he was a devout muslim or not (I don't know if he was); it's the fact he was effectively killed by the West, which is a bit more symbolic than choking to death on a piece of bread after 14 years in prison. Also I believe there would not have been so much violence resulting in 70 deaths, if he was simply locked away.

[irulepoker]

I personally thought he should have rotted in a jail cell, with no windows, 8 feet by 8 feet, no toilet, he can't leave, gets food from guard, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He deserved to die, but not like this. (Neither did the hundreds of people he killed, but...)

[Itsjustagame]

Don't you think it's just a liiiittle bit hypocrytical, though? I mean I understand the crimes he committed were completely unacceptable but even so, you can't say he's not allowed to kill and then kill him. :?

 

 

 

And it seems as though they're simply satisfying everyone's need for peace with a bit of violence. Though he probably would have escaped anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And as for those who were purposefully looking for videos of the death - I was absolutely disgusted. People want to watch a man die? That was really surprising.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He killed innocent people, it's completely different to kill someone who's guilty of basically genocide, and an innocent person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus, what's so bad about wanting to watch the video. I watched it, and I enjoyed watching it.

[Lord_K]

Plus, what's so bad about wanting to watch the video. I watched it, and I enjoyed watching it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because it's a bit sadistic and warped, and doesn't make us much better than him?

[insane]

Don't you think it's just a liiiittle bit hypocrytical, though? I mean I understand the crimes he committed were completely unacceptable but even so, you can't say he's not allowed to kill and then kill him. :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're equivocating murder with killing. They aren't the same. Saddam murdered people - when Saddam was given the death penalty, I would consider that killing Saddam, not murdering him.

[Itsjustagame]

 

Plus, what's so bad about wanting to watch the video. I watched it, and I enjoyed watching it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because it's a bit sadistic and warped, and doesn't make us much better than him?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People who are curious to see how he died are not sadistic and warped. If I heard on the news that someone important to the world today died, I'm going to want to find out how, and see it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Watching him die is no where near what he did, so saying it doesn't make us much better than him is foolish. It doesnt even make sense. How in the hell can you say that watching a video of that horrible man dying compairs to killing thousands of people?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not sadistic, it's a feeling of satisfaction.

[Striker6]

 

Don't you think it's just a liiiittle bit hypocrytical, though? I mean I understand the crimes he committed were completely unacceptable but even so, you can't say he's not allowed to kill and then kill him. :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The difference is though, we (or the justice system) hadn't committed crimes like he did. It's not like we're on the same playing field. Yes, killing is wrong, and by taking the life of a mass murderer we are reinforcing that to the highest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey are you forgetting something? In our quest for justice over 40,000 innocent Iraqi's have died. I know we are talking about Saddam here however I think it's quite debatable that we "haven't commited any crimes" ourselves.

[BlueTear]

Actually, I'm pretty sure he was a devout Muslim.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He headed the Ba'ath party, a secular socialist party. Unlike the ruling system of the Islamic Republic of Iran (full name added for emphasis) and the Kingdom of Saudi-Arabia, the islamic priesthood had... well... a not quite as prominent position within the government. He oppressed, among others, the Shia muslims in Iraq - that'd be the largest branch of islam present in Iraq - and he fought a war that lasted 8 years against the Islamic Republic of Iran - a country by then led by a man who talked about exporting the Islamic revolution to places like secular Iraq. The events leading up to the first gulf war include Saddam Hussein expecting several arab states, including Kuwait, to write of wartime debts because he "protected" their respective countries from the aforementioned export of the Islamic Revolution.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Define "devout".

[Lord_K]

 

 

 

People who are curious to see how he died are not sadistic and warped. If I heard on the news that someone important to the world today died, I'm going to want to find out how, and see it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Watching him die is no where near what he did, so saying it doesn't make us much better than him is foolish. It doesnt even make sense. How in the hell can you say that watching a video of that horrible man dying compairs to killing thousands of people?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not sadistic, it's a feeling of satisfaction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Pope is dead, lets watch him slowly die of a cardiac arrest on Youtube!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fact is, it's not normal to watch someone famous dieing, execution or not. Besides if someone watches hundreds of people die, it doesn't make it alright to watch that person die, "evil" or not.

[Gin_and_Tonic]

By delaying his death, all he's done is brainwash his population into thinking he died for his 'cause'...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What did they get from interogating him? Nothing!

 

 

 

What a waste of time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In my opinion, he should have just been killed where he was found. Another mistake by the American/British body.

[assassin_696]

 

 

Don't you think it's just a liiiittle bit hypocrytical, though? I mean I understand the crimes he committed were completely unacceptable but even so, you can't say he's not allowed to kill and then kill him. :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The difference is though, we (or the justice system) hadn't committed crimes like he did. It's not like we're on the same playing field. Yes, killing is wrong, and by taking the life of a mass murderer we are reinforcing that to the highest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey are you forgetting something? In our quest for justice over 40,000 innocent Iraqi's have died. I know we are talking about Saddam here however I think it's quite debatable that we "haven't commited any crimes" ourselves.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Probably more than 100,000 now, but here your equating the American war machine to the court system, and lumping them all into the same "everyone who isn't Saddam" pot. We can't do that, the justification for the war and the resulting loss of life is irrelevant, Saddam needed to be brought to justice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also let's not forget that Saddam deliberately murdered all these people. The coalition forces did not invade Iraq with the intention of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dying. That's called the doctrine of double effect.

[Guest XplsvBam]

 

You can't. He does deserve to die, but only because of the horror of his crimes. The death penalty isn't a "peaceful" solution, but in some cases it's necessary.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Death is their way of eliminating what they are scared of. Body parts which could have saved lives have gone to waste.

What are you talking about?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally I don't believe in the death penalty. But seeing as there is one and saddam committed crimes to receive the death penalty I think it is required. (in this case)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My opinion is a little biased since my dad brought back some videos (from when he was in the middle east) of what he did and I know how evil he is.

[Gin_and_Tonic]

Thinking of it, did we really go into war as were believed they had WOMD, or did we go in to find Saddam and Bin Laden? We found no signs of WOMD, yet were still there...

[warri0r45]

Don't you think it's just a liiiittle bit hypocrytical, though? I mean I understand the crimes he committed were completely unacceptable but even so, you can't say he's not allowed to kill and then kill him. :?

 

 

 

And it seems as though they're simply satisfying everyone's need for peace with a bit of violence. Though he probably would have escaped anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And as for those who were purposefully looking for videos of the death - I was absolutely disgusted. People want to watch a man die? That was really surprising.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not so much as hypocrisy as justice. If its the way that the Iraqi legal system works than thats thier business and its not really for us to judge. An eye for an eye. Although i know the people looking for videos of Saddam's death are just curious, I dont think they are sick but I dont think they realise the difference between violence in movies and violence in real life. Violence in real life is not censored, is more horriffic, emotionally ridden and emotionally scarring.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But don't you see - he's not paying for them! Imagine he killed your parents. Would watching him die really make you feel better? It wouldn't bring them back. It wouldn't ease the pain of their deaths. It would do nothing except give you the knowledge that he couldn't hurt any more people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Closure is a wierd thing, and I dont think I would fully understand it unless someone close to me died to someone elses hand without reason. You shouldn't Judge those (Iraqi's) who have been affected by Saddam's reign and who want to see/rejoice in Saddam's death.

[rushrock]

 

Actually, I'm pretty sure he was a devout Muslim.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He headed the Ba'ath party, a secular socialist party. Unlike the ruling system of the Islamic Republic of Iran (full name added for emphasis) and the Kingdom of Saudi-Arabia, the islamic priesthood had... well... a not quite as prominent position within the government. He oppressed, among others, the Shia muslims in Iraq - that'd be the largest branch of islam present in Iraq - and he fought a war that lasted 8 years against the Islamic Republic of Iran - a country by then led by a man who talked about exporting the Islamic revolution to places like secular Iraq. The events leading up to the first gulf war include Saddam Hussein expecting several arab states, including Kuwait, to write of wartime debts because he "protected" their respective countries from the aforementioned export of the Islamic Revolution.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Define "devout".

 

 

 

To be devout, you don't have to believe exactly what your religion says. Saddam was very twisted, and he thought what he was doing didn't go against the Islamic laws. He's devout because he believed what he did was right, even though it wasn't. In other words, he was devout in a bad way.

[warri0r45]

Don't you think it's just a liiiittle bit hypocrytical, though? I mean I understand the crimes he committed were completely unacceptable but even so, you can't say he's not allowed to kill and then kill him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, heres an example to you and those who think that killing Saddam is hypocritical.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Theres a 10 year old boy, minding his business, walking along the footpath to school, when suddenly, he is kidnapped by a 40-ish male. Over the next 8 years, the boy is kept captive in the mans basement as a sex slave.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now tell me it's hypocritical to lock this 40-something man up for 8 (or hopefully many more) years where, upon the knowlege that he is a child rapist, he will be raped himself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's justice, Karma if you like, not stooping to thier level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is a perfectly realistic example, I have seen many examples such as this on TV.

[Parabola]

Warrior45, your example is balanced. You do not even have to believe that your example is justice for Saddam's execution to be considered justice. He killed many, many people and committed plenty of other atrocities, yet he is one man and he was killed only once.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As has been said many times on this and the previous thread: he killed innocents; killing him is killing a guilty man. Thus, it is not stooping to his level.

[unknownmasterofnothing]

Killing him was quite useless, I'd rather have the guilty do community service for the rest of their lives. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

[warri0r45]

Killing him was quite useless, I'd rather have the guilty do community service for the rest of their lives. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not about making use of him, it's about justice and closure for the victims families. We shouldnt even be questioning the hanging, it's Iraq's new democracy showing it can have such a trial (although it wasnt perfect) and execute its former leader. That takes guts and I'm glad that the victims families have some kind of closure. You nor I can begin to understand the pain these people have been through.

[Bufoman]

If you want my personal opinion. It would have been better not to invade iraq to bring him to justice but to simply bomb him when we know where he is... it shouldent be that hard seeing as he did live speaches excetra from his 20+ palaces.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that said the second best thing to do would of been to shoot him on site when we found him hideing in that spider hole. can any one tell me how many judges and lawers died becouse he was allowed to live to stand trial? don't forget there familys who where murderd as well or the kurds who he gassed. the man was evil I dont know how any one can dispute that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they where right to end his life, if he had been allowed to rot in prision there would probaly have been numorous hostige takeings in an attempt to free him. his death does not solve the problems in iraq but it does stop one more despot from harming any more people.

[Nadril]

 

 

Don't you think it's just a liiiittle bit hypocrytical, though? I mean I understand the crimes he committed were completely unacceptable but even so, you can't say he's not allowed to kill and then kill him. :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The difference is though, we (or the justice system) hadn't committed crimes like he did. It's not like we're on the same playing field. Yes, killing is wrong, and by taking the life of a mass murderer we are reinforcing that to the highest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But it boils down to this - the justice system says taking a life is wrong (which, in general, I agree with) but goes and kills Saddam. To be honest my first statement was aimed at all criminals, but him included. His crimes were terrible and I'm not denying that but no-one deserves his life taken away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, what should they have done? Risk keeping him in prison and having a high chance of people trying to free him?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The death penelty is the absolute highest penelty you can have.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just pointing out too, I'd rather he be in jail. I'd rather him be confined to a small cubical cell with no outside contact for the rest of his life. Get 2 meals a day, a shower every once and a while and thats it. But the risk is just too high to hold someone like that up in a prison.

[I]

saddam didn't deserve to be hung. No one does, He killed which makes us hypocrits like Issy said to kill him

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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He killed mass amounts of people and intimidated all of iraq

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any one who tried to overpower him and/or run agaianst him would mysteriously pull out or have a tragic accendent in which they die.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hanging did him justice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You say that no one should be hanged right. Well, what punishment would you think apropreiate if some one killed off your whole family cause you were running agains him andhe felt no remorse?Would you just let him free?No you would want him to be dead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Life sentence:Lock some one up for a life sentence for killing many people.One could be freed by allies,Two all the families feel greif for there losses while he gets free food free shelter free tc free wieghts .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Leathal injection:Someone who didnt care for killing mass people and doesnt care gets to die peacefully and probally is laughing the whole time ,yah theats fair.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now a shooting line would be the best way to do it.THat way no one nows who is responsible for killing him.

[Grim_Jokes]

Why, why,why is everyone forgetting the reasons Saddam killed all those people. Did nobody else notice that Iraq has three different groups who literally hate each other.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any peace that there was in Iraq is because the way Saddam ruled with an iron fist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus, what's so bad about wanting to watch the video. I watched it, and I enjoyed watching it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is what makes you sadistic. Enjoying to watch someones demise whether they are an evil dictator or just a child.

[insane]

That is what makes you sadistic. Enjoying to watch someones demise whether they are an evil dictator or just a child.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can't make blanket statements like that. You're assuming he enjoyed watching the video because he likes watching death. That is a hasty conclusion and one that you did not support.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps he just likes watching justice being served.