F2p Mage Proposal *Read it now!* 105 supporters!!!!

[Toxicologist]

This is about balancing the F2P Combat Triangle, not about a desperate but irrational need for new fancy armour. I don't think defense is the issue here, it is mage attack bonus and better binding spells. And maybe a bit of extra damage.

[HardyZ003]

same thing as wanting new armor.. but once again JeGeX wont do it cause of the same reason i said before.. even a littel change will and can stop people from been a member for a while...

[Toxicologist]

same thing as wanting new armor.. but once again JeGeX wont do it cause of the same reason i said before.. even a littel change will and can stop people from been a member for a while...

 

 

 

Wrong again. I really do not think armour is the main concern here, the main concern is that mages are not having the advantages they should have: decent damage and binding spells. Armours are secondary, only because mages in F2P have very low bonuses. This has nothing to do with fashion.

 

 

 

Also: If this balancing of things in the Combat Triangle is going to deter people from becoming members, or make people cancel their membership, I'll worship you. You have absolutely no empirical evidence or logical reasoning to support that, and I challenge you to produce some.

[Komodoman360]

I'm back for a while, so I'm going to update the proposal and add to the support list, but I'll ge to the arguments, accusations, and problems in a bit.

[Tetsuya]

even a littel change will and can stop people from been a member for a while...

 

I very highly doubt that.

[Deathmath]

Support =D>

 

I'm a ranger. We have green D-hide they should have an equivalent!

[Komodoman360]

Yes give F2P ghost robes, mystic and splitbark. Can I have some pot from you?

 

 

 

Uhhh...sure (hands over some pot), and here's five dollars, go get a happy meal :D , and bring me a shake, now I won't go any further off topic.

[Komodoman360]

Well! I've always wanted new low level mage robes and the spell "Snare", and possibly a higher level combat spell for F2P. Count me in!

 

 

 

CONGRATULATIONS!

 

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YOU ARE THE 100TH SUPPORTER!!! YOU GET...NOTHING...SORRY, ALL I CAN GIVE IS A PAT ON THE BACK. GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!!

 

 

 

ALSO, I'm almost done completely updating/revamping the proposal, the only part left is re-organizing the argument defense.

[baron8000]

Sorry I don't support - during my f2p time I found maging plenty strong enough. Also I take issue with some of your arguments and suggestions.

 

 

 

Firstly Ghostly robes - seriously, no. Part of the reward from Desert Treasure one of the hardest P2P quests? no just no.

 

 

 

Secondly "who would be so stupid as to stop being a member just because of some armor" I think you have the wrong end of the stick on this. I personally joined members because I wanted more mage things (despite feeling it to be balanced in f2p) I simply wanted more options - people may not leave members but I do think less people would join (myself included)

 

 

 

Finally I'd like to rebutt some of your own rebuttals on "excuses"

 

 

 

"If you want better stuff become a member.

 

 

 

There are some of us who cant for assorted reasons, a few of which being:

 

A. Our parents won't let us. and? plenty of ways to get around your parents, I payed for mine without my parents knowledge for ages - not a boundary

 

B. We can't devote the time. that is your issue, not members' or Jagex's, don't expect to be pandered too

 

C. We don't have the money. " sorry, ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã3.20 a month is not a lot, If you have a pc, a net connection and are old enough to play this game ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã3.20 is relatively little

 

 

 

4. f2p doesn't pay, so they don't deserve anything.

 

 

 

Couldn't agree more, however you do pay less and you do get less. Seems fair enough to me, basic laws of economy to be honest.

 

 

 

As for the other my post is long enough already :lol: maybe later.

[Komodoman360]

Sorry I don't support - during my f2p time I found maging plenty strong enough. Also I take issue with some of your arguments and suggestions.

 

 

 

Ya, and you also probably became a member at lvl 26 or something, and now you'll just say no because you want to try and prove me wrong, but typically, the people who don't notice, are the ones who have had no experience with it in the past. And if you have maged in the wildy at higher levels, then you probably pked with friends, because a one on one fight sucks as a mage.

 

 

 

Firstly Ghostly robes - seriously, no. Part of the reward from Desert Treasure one of the hardest P2P quests? no just no.

 

 

 

Ya, that's why if you were to actually read the entire thing, you would notice the probability of each happening in parentheses

 

 

 

Secondly "who would be so stupid as to stop being a member just because of some armor" I think you have the wrong end of the stick on this. I personally joined members because I wanted more mage things (despite feeling it to be balanced in f2p) I simply wanted more options - people may not leave members but I do think less people would join (myself included)

 

 

 

Ya, but you aren't everyone, and there are more powerful mage robes in members, and there is also ancient magics, and wands, and numerous other things. Most people join for the 120+ quests, more armor, more bankspace, minigames, treasure trails, new and expanded skills, etc. The point I'm getting at is if you're a member, then you wouldn't drop it for better mage robes, because you'd still have better robes, and spells. If you do, than you are a fool.

 

 

 

A. Our parents won't let us. and? plenty of ways to get around your parents, I payed for mine without my parents knowledge for ages - not a boundary

 

 

 

Ya, I think a lot of us have more integrity than you though

 

 

 

B. We can't devote the time. that is your issue, not members' or Jagex's, don't expect to be pandered too

 

 

 

Ya, I never said it was their problem, I said it was a reason why some people aren't members

 

 

 

C. We don't have the money. " sorry, ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã3.20 a month is not a lot, If you have a pc, a net connection and are old enough to play this game ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã3.20 is relatively little

 

 

 

Some people don't have a pc though, it's called the library, or a friends house, and just because you are old enough (13 years old) it doesn't mean that you have the money, a lot of people don't get an allowance, and they can't get a job, because they don't have a permit (if you're in the U.S.), or they are in extra curriculars.

 

 

 

4. f2p doesn't pay, so they don't deserve anything.

 

 

 

Couldn't agree more, however you do pay less and you do get less. Seems fair enough to me, basic laws of economy to be honest.

 

 

 

 

Less (because we pay through updates), like I said, is still good enough for 1-2 non-graphical updates a year.

[baron8000]

 

 

 

Ya, and you also probably became a member at lvl 26 or something, and now you'll just say no because you want to try and prove me wrong, but typically, the people who don't notice, are the ones who have had no experience with it in the past. And if you have maged in the wildy at higher levels, then you probably pked with friends, because a one on one fight sucks as a mage..

 

 

 

You are right I'm going to disagree with you, I became a member with level 55 mage having completed all the quests with decent skills and don't think your little trick of saying "I bet you will just disagree with me" will stop me telling the truth - sneakiness is not appreciated (I bet you are just going to disagree with this just to prove me wrong :wink: )

 

 

 

 

Ya, that's why if you were to actually read the entire thing, you would notice the probability of each happening in parentheses

 

 

 

Yup I read the whole thing, and whilst there were other more sensible suggestions I found this one absolutely ludicrous, if you know its impossible, why bother putting it in there?

 

 

 

 

Ya, but you aren't everyone, and there are more powerful mage robes in members, and there is also ancient magics, and wands, and numerous other things. Most people join for the 120+ quests, more armor, more bankspace, minigames, treasure trails, new and expanded skills, etc.

 

 

 

Just because I'm not everyone I don't get a say? F2p isn't everyone either :wink: Also wands and higher level mage armours such as Infinity are rarely used in riskable combat due to their stupefying cost - Mystic has and will always be a main training armour for P2p up until Ahrims and needs to stay unique for that reason

 

 

 

The point I'm getting at is if you're a member, then you wouldn't drop it for better mage robes, because you'd still have better robes, and spells. If you do, than you are a fool.

You still have the wrong end of the stick, my argument why Jagex does not update F2p mages is because less people may join P2P, not because P2P people would stop, please read what I write carefully.

 

 

 

A. Our parents won't let us. and? plenty of ways to get around your parents, I payed for mine without my parents knowledge for ages - not a boundary

 

 

 

Ya, I think a lot of us have more integrity than you though

 

 

 

\ personal abuse in place of an arguement ftw! \ Tell me where I showed a lack of integrity please? My money will be spent how I please.

 

 

 

B. We can't devote the time. that is your issue, not members' or Jagex's, don't expect to be pandered too

 

 

 

Ya, I never said it was their problem, I said it was a reason why some people aren't members

 

 

 

So if its not their problem why should they do anything about it?

 

 

 

C. We don't have the money. " sorry, ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã3.20 a month is not a lot, If you have a pc, a net connection and are old enough to play this game ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã3.20 is relatively little

 

 

 

Some people don't have a pc though, it's called the library, or a friends house, and just because you are old enough (13 years old) it doesn't mean that you have the money, a lot of people don't get an allowance, and they can't get a job, because they don't have a permit (if you're in the U.S.), or they are in extra curriculars.

 

 

 

13 yr olds can get paper rounds, hell its only 10p a day! I could pick that up from the floor if I was that desperate for membership

 

 

 

4. f2p doesn't pay, so they don't deserve anything.

 

 

 

Couldn't agree more, however you do pay less and you do get less. Seems fair enough to me, basic laws of economy to be honest.

 

 

 

 

 

Less (because we pay through updates), like I said, is still good enough for 1-2 non-graphical updates a year.

 

 

 

Who are you to decide that it is "good enough" for Jagex to give you updates? Do you have a business degree? Have you at any time ran a multi million company?

 

 

 

Apologies if the quotes are messed up when I first post this, the code is getting complicated :XD:

[Darksaber15]

I like the idea :mrgreen: I agree, mage armor for f2p players is very limited. The skirt doesnt even give a mage +! Every other class in f2p has at least 2 sets of armor but mages only have one...and it isn't even full :ohnoes:

[screally1]

just a question:

 

 

 

have u seen how badly mages already own in f2p, especially at low levels (between 3 and 30)

 

 

 

many pkers at this range might simply give up if mages became any stronger

 

 

 

 

 

already even rangers are scared of mages

[D. V. Devnull]

just a question:

 

 

 

have u seen how badly mages already own in f2p, especially at low levels (between 3 and 30)

 

 

 

many pkers at this range might simply give up if mages became any stronger

 

 

 

 

 

already even rangers are scared of mages

 

We know about this, and are already trying to compensate for it. For example, with the Level 35 mage requirement to wear the robes, seeing as that would forcibly help maintain balance. :)

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

[HardyZ003]

baron8000 your spot on :)

[D. V. Devnull]

baron8000 your spot on :)

 

Eh, more like he falls flat when you bring into the discussion a matter of 'common sense' and 'caring for other humans'. If Jagex really wants money, they won't think of money as an issue. :|

 

 

 

Heck, let me put your back to the wall with the following question: What kind of game would you rather play (and stick around for), one where Jagex listens to their players, or one where they don't? :-s

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

[HardyZ003]

i'd like a game where Jagex listens... and they do listen.. well for P2P at least.. but anyway once again this a company. THEY want money.. you may think one small update/change wont effect people been a member. but it will.

[screally1]

i was thinking more of a reduction in the damage that some spells (such as fire strike - eight damage at level 13 mage - thats like 6/7 combat!)

 

 

 

that coudld work, but mystic armor is level 40, which would make those two too close together, and p2p comes first

 

 

 

it would have to be at 20, which is easily attainable at a cb of ~11

[D. V. Devnull]

it would have to be at 20, which is easily attainable at a cb of ~11

 

Mage 20 would be too low and would not stop those low-level mages from constantly owning the wildi against low-level rangers. :(

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

[screally1]

even mage 30 (most likely) would be mean

 

 

 

mage 30 is like 18 cb

[D. V. Devnull]

even mage 30 (most likely) would be mean

 

 

 

mage 30 is like 18 cb

 

Put simply, we want to balance F2P combat's triangle, not knock the low end into a "lop side"...

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

[screally1]

unless u put it at 40 and just make it worse than mystic/splitbark

 

 

 

therefore poor members and all f2p mages would be happy

[D. V. Devnull]

unless u put it at 40 and just make it worse than mystic/splitbark

 

 

 

therefore poor members and all f2p mages would be happy

 

Like I said before, setting it for mage 35 will do nicely. Plus it will have the advantage to members of getting them to 40 more quickly for the better mage armor. :)

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

[Toxicologist]

People who think mage is powerful in F2P obviously have low magic levels.

[baron8000]

baron8000 your spot on :)

 

Eh, more like he falls flat when you bring into the discussion a matter of 'common sense' and 'caring for other humans'. If Jagex really wants money, they won't think of money as an issue. :|

 

 

 

Heck, let me put your back to the wall with the following question: What kind of game would you rather play (and stick around for), one where Jagex listens to their players, or one where they don't? :-s

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

 

 

 

Idealism is all well and good - tell me what you would rather have as Jagex - A multi million company or a company that panders to every suggestion/demand? Sorry but caring has little or no place in modern business.

 

 

 

Also your question is irrelevant as I would stick around for both, because, you know, I like the game as it is :wink: .