China!?

[Despaxes]

Mounting massive debt for one [we're afloat on cash from rich Asian markets]. Our auto industry standards being the lowest of all industrial countries, even china. The facts it's ..er...4%? of the world, and yet contributes 18%? of pollution? The rising ignorance on world issues? Cultural barriers, as opposed to bridges, made in countries. Largely influenced media (some would go so far as to say corrupt/censored- but that's a little drastic, at least the censored. But, god, Fox sucks) Strongly influenced government by religion (SHOULD NOT HAPPEN). Politicians fear insulting religions, cannot vote for things they often believe in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are many problems in the US. Problems exist in every country, I'm just bias because I live here and have to complain about them. Granted, things are getting better in some places, but we have a lot to do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and of course there are those crap convictions that if you're not a patriot you're the devil. "If you don't like america! Move!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's a lovely picture I accidentally found

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And of all the money Asia has invested and bought from our markets we have an equalling if not surpassing amount in Asia and other countries, as soon as anything is pulled, we could pull it all diminishing their profits. they would ruin our economy, we would DESTROY theirs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We dont make good cars.....thats why the US sucks? uhm two words, Grow up. We import other cars, therefore their production causes the pollution not ours, and we have a high density population, therefore we will seem to produce more waste compared to other areas our size due to person to mile ratio. I am verry affluent with world issues, ive been to england, italy, spain, iraq, iran, germany, korea, greece, and russia. I speak spanish, german, english, and french, i am learning arabic and japanese. My cultural barriers are low. Each individual chooses how they are associated with others, its not your governments fault you dont know whats going on, or you arent connected to others in the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hm fox, try reading a newspaper then, try looking for another network? Try reading up on the facts and interpreting it for yourself, take in how others interpret it and form opinions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If a man believes in religion of course it will affect him. If it didnt he wouldnt believe in religion. This happens in al countries. Some try to extort religion and that is wrong, others however have religion turned against them and said to be hypocritical bible thumpers using god tog ain votes. Either way people try to find flaws in whoever they can.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats the thing, you DONT have to live here. And if you hate america, why would you? I never said you were the devil, but honestly if you dont like where you live, dont live there, it IS that easy.

[Kinslayer777]

That's interesting news. You see, as far as I'm aware we're in staggering direct debt, as a government. We would have a large deficite, expect for continual investment. On an individual basis, Americans may have much invested in Asian markets, but the government doesn't have that money. They're in DEBT. We've you gotten that information?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

'We import other cars, therefore their production causes the pollution not ours'

 

 

 

--No. The issue resides in americain companies, Ex. Ford and Gm, not foreign companies, Ex. Toyota & Honda. They lead us, even though they both sell, in America because of higher standards, not lower. That means, low and behold, they impact the environment less + are cheaper on oil :).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

'and we have a high density population, therefore we will seem to produce more waste compared to other areas our size due to person to mile ratio.'

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You've gotten bush's silly arguments incorrect. We have a low density population, but that does not cover our expansive wastefulness. While perhaps we need to travel farther to congregate, the fact that we do, should only further the development of high efficiency cars and industry standards which exist elsewhere!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I commend you on your languages, especially Arabic and Japanese (hard). However the countries you been to do not necessarily show brilliant understand. If you'd like, I could destroy you with bragging right, ;), but that does not show my superior knowledge. Facts might. Your cultural barrier might be, and seem to be, somewhat welcoming. However, I do know much, although also I am ignorant of other things. I am connected to other people. Dam. I'm on the internet :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do read a newspaper, I don't watch networks [Although I see the effects of bias networks in america] (besides bbc or the german-english hourly channel when I'm abroad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

'Try reading up on the facts and interpreting it for yourself, take in how others interpret it and form opinions'

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's what other people need to do, gratz to you for trying. To me, your interpretation is wrong though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Religion should not influence the state. In fact, I recall it being against an american principle for the state to be conjoined with religion. We're NOT in the middle ages, the Church should not stop scientific development. Look at Kansas or Stem Cell research. I mean, dam, condoms are not even advertised (that's safety of the American people overlooked because of religion! It's not like religious people don't touch themselves or have sex with condoms too, they just have to pretend they don't]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I find issues were I live, issues that could improve, and in some areas do improve. I am fine living here, but there are things that are getting worse and need improvement, that doesn't involve moveing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We're getting a little off topic though

[BlueLancer]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not your average communist country, huh?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

China on average is very liberal, if not even more liberal than the USA at the moment. In a decade or so, their economy will be the most powerful in the world and they have massive armed forces (more than the whole US population combined).

[Kinslayer777]

I doubt their forces would be that high...That's unnecessarily high. Considering the us has a no-so paltry 300million people itself, having that many forces is ludicrous. Keep in mind China will not always grow as fast as it does. Wages will rise, living will rise, and that'll slow down it's economy. However, I wonder what would happen if China absorbed other countries...eek...1984!!

[BlueLancer]

 

 

 

China

 

 

 

Military manpower available for service

 

 

 

males age 18-49: 342,956,265 (342,9 million)

 

 

 

females age 18-49: 324,701,244 (324,7 million) (2005 est.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And they do use female soldiers, far more than in western countries. During wartime they would most likely operate in battle duties.

[Viktorkrum77]

 

 

 

 

China

 

 

 

Military manpower available for service

 

 

 

males age 18-49: 342,956,265 (342,9 million)

 

 

 

females age 18-49: 324,701,244 (324,7 million) (2005 est.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And they do use female soldiers, far more than in western countries. During wartime they would most likely operate in battle duties.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, who would doubt. Their population has skyrocketed in the last few decades.

[Kinslayer777]

The point is they're not militaristic. They have the manpower, yes, but it'd be expensive and useless.

[assassin_696]

The point is they're not militaristic. They have the manpower, yes, but it'd be expensive and useless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not militaristic? *snort* They have the largest standing army in the world. Anyone else here thinking about Tom Clancy's The Bear & The Dragon? China is big and getting bigger.

[Kinslayer777]

Alright...But they're not *militaristic*, in government terms. Not like burma. In anycase, You're right- China= Big army

[____]

 

The point is they're not militaristic. They have the manpower, yes, but it'd be expensive and useless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not militaristic? *snort* They have the largest standing army in the world. Anyone else here thinking about Tom Clancy's The Bear & The Dragon? China is big and getting bigger.

China also has .... 3 years compulsary military service? I forget the actual duration - but pretty much every person over the age of 18 has military training.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The USA might have similar "manpower" available; but it'd be [cabbage] manpower to put it at best.

[Kinslayer777]

 

 

The point is they're not militaristic. They have the manpower, yes, but it'd be expensive and useless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not militaristic? *snort* They have the largest standing army in the world. Anyone else here thinking about Tom Clancy's The Bear & The Dragon? China is big and getting bigger.

China also has .... 3 years compulsary military service? I forget the actual duration - but pretty much every person over the age of 18 has military training.

 

 

 

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woooahh! I had no idea that still was the same. Thought it stopped.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I stand corrected.

[BlueLancer]

Almost 3 years

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

18-22 years of age for compulsory military service, with 24-month service obligation

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, they are more 'milistaristic' than the United States. They spend 4.6% of their GDP of $8.8 trillion on the military as opposed to 4.06% by the US (though it has a slightly higher GDP but that wont be for long)

[Kinslayer777]

A militaristic government is essentially still martial law. What I intended to say is that I doubted China would make their army so massive, because they had no need to do it. However, apparently I was wrong. neither is America militaristic. Militarism wasn't used as an adjective, but as a noun- sort of-perhaps incorrectly.

[dangeresque]

China is communist yes, but they are starting to change, holding local elections and things like that. Also, their economy is booming right now, we are even holding the olympics there if they can build their complex in time. I think they will change...eventually. There are only 5 communist country's left in the world (China, Vietnam, Cuba, Laos, North Korea) so it can't last to much longer.

[azntemplar_00]

Not militaristic? *snort* They have the largest standing army in the world. Anyone else here thinking about Tom Clancy's The Bear & The Dragon? China is big and getting bigger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you need to look at it in terms of proportions. Of course china will have a bigger military - they have over four times as many people as the US does.

[assassin_696]

 

Not militaristic? *snort* They have the largest standing army in the world. Anyone else here thinking about Tom Clancy's The Bear & The Dragon? China is big and getting bigger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you need to look at it in terms of proportions. Of course china will have a bigger military - they have over four times as many people as the US does.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

An an army that's roughly four times as large.

[azntemplar_00]

 

 

Not militaristic? *snort* They have the largest standing army in the world. Anyone else here thinking about Tom Clancy's The Bear & The Dragon? China is big and getting bigger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you need to look at it in terms of proportions. Of course china will have a bigger military - they have over four times as many people as the US does.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

An an army that's roughly four times as large.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, but we can say the US can compensate with their 'superior' technology =P

[BlueLancer]

Not really, besides the fact that US soldiers are becoming obese at a worrying rate, a phenomena unknown to asian armies. 20% of recruits cannot even enter military duties due to serious overweight, read the source.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

China and Russia are catching up in terms of technology, and Israel is developing very-futuristic weapons that surpass even US technology. The States will have to do something to keep themselves competitive. Obese soldiers running around aren't much of an advantage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The worrying part is that other hostile nations can use this information to their own advantage as propaganda and show their own soldiers americans admit their soldiers are overweight.

[Faux]

So when is the takeover of Taiwan going to go down? :shock:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But seriously, as many soldiers China has, it's going to be useful for defensive purposes only. US has control over the seas and the skies on a much grander scale.

[dangeresque]

Israel is developing very-futuristic weapons that surpass even US technology.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True, but we could blitzkrieg isreal in like a day....but it is true that some military's may be starting to equal are's, but even if we can't beat them, they can't beat us

[Shin]

I dont believe in Europe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And all asian countries lie within the islands of japan.

 

 

 

Except tokyo, thats in space.

 

 

 

I couldn't agree with you anymore. :thumbsup:

[Aznhuskarl]

So when is the takeover of Taiwan going to go down? :shock:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a near future. I wouldn't be surprised if the next heat of conflicts will pop out over there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True, but we could blitzkrieg isreal in like a day.

 

 

 

Israel has Blitzkrieg-ed other countries before in few hours. It's not wise to fight against that country in the Middle Eastern environment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...holding local elections and things...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh really? How many people actually voted in the election? 500? That's just an excuse to show off how "democratic" China is.

[dangeresque]

Oh really? How many people actually voted in the election? 500? That's just an excuse to show off how "democratic" China is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well...I have to say your wrong my friend. Click thishttp://www.chinaelections.org/en/readnews.asp?newsid={0C7C0178-7057-4E83-9B28-EBE9AC8F986D}&classid=12&classname=People%20Congresses

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

for all of you who are to lazy to read this it basicallly says that many of china's leaders including their president voted in elections. Also it says that

 

 

 

More than eight million voters in Beijing voted at about 12,000 polling booths to elect 4,403 legislators at district level, and 9,983 at the township level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry guys, can't seem to get this hyperlink to work....Please Forgive Me!! :pray:

[Faux]

Isn't there more than 1 billion people in China?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Too much suppression and censorship there :|

[FuBai]

China confuses me. :? I mean, is China really a communist country? How exactly does that work? I mean Hong Kong is a booming success, why would companies build huge banking buildings in a country where everyone is payed the same. I don't get it, communism never lasts, because class systems eventually form, this just doesn't make any sense. We all know what happened to the CCCP (SSSR/USSR).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

China is socialist at best. not eveyone is paid the same, by the way. And Hong Kong is booming for a few reasons - it's semi-autonomous, a hang over from 1999, and so has the right to control some of it's policies in a more indepandant manner. Also China is good for investing, as, whislt it is nationaly run in a vaguley socialist manner, allthough getting less and less, the country is, in effect, a massive company in some respects. It also has a massive workforce...something liek 1.6 billion now, which means it is the largest national market in the world, I think. So there is lots of capitalist investment coming in to try and sell thier products. If you can crack china, you are going to get pretty rich. The massive opportunites allow for quite a large profit, eventhough taxation is pretty punative.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh really? How many people actually voted in the election? 500? That's just an excuse to show off how "democratic" China is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well...I have to say your wrong my friend. Click thishttp://www.chinaelections.org/en/readnews.asp?newsid={0C7C0178-7057-4E83-9B28-EBE9AC8F986D}&classid=12&classname=People%20Congresses

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

for all of you who are to lazy to read this it basicallly says that many of china's leaders including their president voted in elections. Also it says that

 

 

 

More than eight million voters in Beijing voted at about 12,000 polling booths to elect 4,403 legislators at district level, and 9,983 at the township level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes, they got to choose between about two or three candidates chosen from the one and only party allowed in China, the CCP. It's a one party state, remeber. So all of them might have voted, all 1.6 billion, but they could choose between the CCP, or the CCP.