The complete "Should F2P get updates?" Debate! 5,000 views!

[dwarfie76]

i think that, even though jagex aint makin too great of a profit off of f2p, like everyone else says, an almost necessary update for f2p would be more bank space.

 

 

 

See sig :twisted:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but at least let them have blue mystic!

 

 

 

I agree, let F2P have blue mystic... When they can figure out a way to get to the mage guild and buy it.

[adoss]

i didnt read the whole thread because i dont have time, but if you people payed attention, if you pay with cash, it is $6.99 a month U.S. Dollars, not 5, so many f2pers cant afford it

 

 

 

and the more free players, the more the adverts are worth, so they increase as players increase.

 

 

 

i dont think the free players should get as many updates, but a good update every once in a while, or a new monster or training spot every 5-7 months or so, wouldnt be bad

[cheeseman]

I think they should, because i was a F2Per for several years, and i was frustrated by the amount of updates we got. F2Pers need some love too, becuase they need something to keep them coming back. And besides, why not just knock it down to 7 members updates for 2 months, then 1 F2P update? This seems resonable to me.

[jimjimson]

 

I'm a member and I think they should get updates, just not very frequent, maybe 1 every 4-5 months.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

F2p has been almost the same since iv'e been playing, almost 3 years now, and the f2p area is VERY old fashioned in a way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

F2p do give a bit of money to jagex, by the ads, only on an estimate by me of about 10% of what members do (correct me if its more), but its still enough for them to deserve more than just the 1 update a year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some of the F2p crowd cannot afford the membership, maybe because of poor family or because of other situations, but they should'nt be as punished for that as they are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On the topic of members saying 'they could have taken time to make a members update', sereously how dumb?! Do they not realise that as a member you CAN do f2p things, #-o. It just means its probably going to be aimed at lower lvls, but so? there are lower lvl members still.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AW :boohoo: to those who whine about members not getting as much updates if f2p get one, us members have 4 a month, thats 48 a year! can we not spare 2 or 3 of those? are we that selfish?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:thumbsup:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

he said everything i came to say

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's see how many updates f2p got in 2006. I can't really count them all, but I'd say rougly around 8. 3 holiday updates and 4 graphic updates, don't forget stronghold of security.

[dwarfie76]

i didnt read the whole thread because i dont have time, but if you people payed attention, if you pay with cash, it is $6.99 a month U.S. Dollars, not 5, so many f2pers cant afford it

 

 

 

If you can't afford an extra $2 a month you have bigger worries than whether or not your favourite game gets updated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and the more free players, the more the adverts are worth, so they increase as players increase.

 

 

 

Assuming all free players dutifully click through to the advertising website maybe. Do you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

why not just knock it down to 7 members updates for 2 months, then 1 F2P update? This seems resonable to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It seems reasonable to you that when someone gives you something for free you should stick your hand out and say "MORE FREE STUFF!!" ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

F2p do give a bit of money to jagex, by the ads, only on an estimate by me of about 10% of what members do (correct me if its more), but its still enough for them to deserve more than just the 1 update a year.

 

 

 

F2P give nothing to jagex. The money Jagex earns from advertising comes from the advertisers, not the free players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some of the F2p crowd cannot afford the membership, maybe because of poor family or because of other situations, but they should'nt be as punished for that as they are.

 

 

 

They's not punished. They are given a free game to play, how is that a punishment?

[elementz_m]

if i were jagex, this is what i would think:

 

 

 

- most of the players are going to want to keep doing new stuff

 

 

 

- without f2p updates, the new stuff for them to do will run out

 

 

 

- at this point, players will consider upgrading to p2p

 

 

 

- f2p updates will delay this process, depriving jagex of money

 

 

 

- jagex wants more money, what with being a business and all...

 

 

 

- with f2p updates, people might think this: "i could upgrade to p2p. or i could train my [insert skill here] until the next update"

 

 

 

- new players would eventually take ages and ages to run out of new stuff to do with f2p updates

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i don't think f2p should have extra skills or quests or any minigames. bank space would be nice, however, and some real mage pking gear.

[nuvus]

Well like I said before, f2p doesnt know what they are missing, so maybe runescape should make maybe a 24 hour total trial to show f2p what they can have if they pay.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, not only will that benefit jagex, but itll benefit us.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trial = freebos knowing what they are missing sorta = f2p turns p2p because they cant take it knowing they are missing so much = more money for jagex = more money to make not only updates, but GOOD updates, such as maybe graphics, sequels to quests, etc.

[hisensei808]

Anyway this has probably been said before but i'll say it anyway. The main point of ftp or a demo in a game is to entice the players to pay for and play the game. If Jagex were to make updates for ftp then they would not want to become a member. They wan't you to be bored so you will upgrade and pay them money each month. And come on its only 60$ a year! Thats less then a trip to the super market.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And to all of you saying "we pay in the adds" you are not paying for the adds and just because you are being unwilling bombarded with addes does not mean you have very much value to Jagex.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The above statement has been my position in this debate all along. I feel the F2P is a "demo." To the actual game. It is there to give the consumer, which is you, a chance to sample the ware and see if you would like to purchase it. Those of you who own a game console, it normally comes with a "demo" disk. Long ago, game console gamers would be granted with a "free" game upon purchase of the game console, now, from what I understand, there is no "free game." You must purchase the game as well as the console. What does all of this have to do with Runescape? Same concept, you are asking for an update to a "demo." That's similar to going to the store and sampling the free samples and then asking for a glass a wine to go along with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, i do feel for all members who had to return to F2P, for whatever reason. I do feel for all the players in F2P who do not receive many updates, outside of "holidays." But holidays do account for an "update" and I think that is generous of Jagex. If anything, I feel that F2P should be allowed some bank space, but that is all I feel that they should be allowed as they are not "paying" for anything. The ads?? What about the ads??? Are you paying the companies to place their ads on the website? I think not. Whether Jagex has 1 million dollars, or 1 trillion dollars, point is, they are a "business" and as such, they are well aware the F2P is one thing and one thing only, a demo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't mean to be mean, but for all F2Pers, aside from more bank space, i do not agree with a "demo" getting upgrades. Keep in mind, after all, you are playing the "demo." For more features, considering subscribing to members. I look forward to seeing you there.

[jimjimson]

F2p do give a bit of money to jagex, by the ads, only on an estimate by me of about 10% of what members do (correct me if its more), but its still enough for them to deserve more than just the 1 update a year.

 

 

 

F2P give nothing to jagex. The money Jagex earns from advertising comes from the advertisers, not the free players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some of the F2p crowd cannot afford the membership, maybe because of poor family or because of other situations, but they should'nt be as punished for that as they are.

 

 

 

They's not punished. They are given a free game to play, how is that a punishment?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Um, I didn't write that.

[X_Fat4lyfe_X]

I was started on the game of Runescape by my member friends. I've played on their accounts (at their house, while they looked on), and read about the latest member's update(s). To address the people who say " You don't pay, you don't get"-you must realize how bratty you sound. Bank space would be nice, a quest or two would be better, but the real issue in free worlds is Macroing. Yes, macroing. Take a stroll across Draynor, and you will find hordes of bald, green pants, tan shirted level threes flocking to the Yew trees. This drives down the value of yew logs, a major source of income for free players who can't runecraft natures at the abyss at ridiculous speed, or fish sharks, etc. Instead of churning out silly quests for members, it would be agood idea to crack down on macroers. This would bolster the free to play economy, and makes things a little more fair.

[dwarfie76]

Um, I didn't write that.

 

 

 

It's in your post directly above mine. If you were attempting to quote someone else, you failed.

[dwarfie76]

" You don't pay, you don't get"-you must realize how bratty you sound.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

More bratty than "Hey Jagex, thanks for the free game and all, but MORE FREE STUFF!!!" ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think not.

[omario_101]

im really not gonna bother reading 14 pages full of arguments

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but from my point of view

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i was a member for about a eyar f2p again and currently member about another year so far

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

considering we get 2 quest a month average and then a new minigame once every 2 months or so and countless other updates why do people so strongly oppose f2p updates certaintly a faithfull person to the game thats been playing for years deserves a mild update other than holiday events and graphic updates. and these updates are both f2p and p2p and you never know if a mild update to f2p bring about an even better update pertaining to that which would be members only. think of the last time f2p got a real update only real notisable one is rs2 all the quest for f2p have been the same ones since i started playing back in 2002

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

edit: also just wondering all you opposers to f2p updates think about this if you were p2p for years and got all those wonderfull updates and suddely you could no longer afford to pay for whatever reason, but still faithfull to rs what would start thinking when you see all these updates week after week month after month year after year yet none for f2p dont you think after so long you deserve a measely update that wasnt just a graphic update, i mean people love better graphics but how many poeple would prefer something new to do rather than seeing a new face on a monster the train on. While jagex makes most of its money from p2p they still make substancial amount from f2p dont you think part of that income should be invested back into the game for their still loyal players you gotta remmber according the the Wall Street Journal RS has a base of around 900k p2p players but nearly 5 million active players that dont pay not including the players that dont play too often and arnt marked as active

[Ridcullyw]

The main issue is still "Should Jagex give free to players more updates"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe that it is in the best intrest of jagex to do so.

 

 

 

First of all, its been said before but that does not make it any more true. Most potetial customers started out as free to players. If jagex can not show them why it is worth paying for membership they will lose money.

 

 

 

If jagex gaines more free to players, the potential for new members goes up, thus jagex gaines money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also there are alot more free to players than members. They support the economy and make the game better over all. If all free to players stopped playing the game what would that do to runescape?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex gaines alot of money through advertisements, the more free to players there are, the more money jagex gets from the add companies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Free to players are an important part of runescape, without them runescape would not be what it currently is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like the idea of a mini game

 

 

 

lol

 

 

 

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[omario_101]

thank you, you pointed out an important fact i didnt go over

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

most players usually if they have a game they arnt paying for there going to do just about everything untill they got nothing to do anymore and by then not many peoples attention spans last that long so they got two options find either a new better game better graphics more things to do and still free, or cough up some money for those wonderfull updates

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i rember that before the first time i got members i had been through countless characters and playing for around 2 years before i considered paying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if your an economist you can clearly see the future of rs is its f2p population eventually those members grow up they might be young now but before you know it kids get jobs, go to college have a life and no more time for a silly old game, and all the while you f2p have gotten no new updates f2p base might begin declinning sooner or later f2p going to need more updates too keep those people intrested you cant just hope that eventually they just decide to start paying

[dwarfie76]

if your an economist you can clearly see the future of rs is its f2p population eventually those members grow up they might be young now but before you know it kids get jobs, go to college have a life and no more time for a silly old game, and all the while you f2p have gotten no new updates f2p base might begin declinning sooner or later f2p going to need more updates too keep those people intrested you cant just hope that eventually they just decide to start paying

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Doesn't take an economist to realise that your argument is entirely specious (that's a fancy way of saying bollocks).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For starters, there is a never-ending stream of new players coming into the game. Jagex doesn't need to keep existing F2P players interested in the game in the vain hope that they will one day blow the dust off their wallet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So while some F2P members might do everything they can do then leave, many more newbies are lining up to take their place.

[ZhouNing]

you dont pay to play and the people who are are the people who are keeping the game going by funding it

[Tetsuya]

 

" You don't pay, you don't get"-you must realize how bratty you sound.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

More bratty than "Hey Jagex, thanks for the free game and all, but MORE FREE STUFF!!!" ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Absolutely.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

I think the occasional update for F2P, maybe 1 or 2 every year on top of holiday events and graphical, would help by providing new incentive for people to play longer. Those who play longer will, more often than not, become members.

[dwarfie76]

I think the occasional update for F2P, maybe 1 or 2 every year on top of holiday events and graphical, would help by providing new incentive for people to play longer. Those who play longer will, more often than not, become members.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unlikely... if anything I think Jagex would be smarter to have a two-month limit on F2P. If you don't switch over to members after two months you're unlikely to ever do it.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

 

I think the occasional update for F2P, maybe 1 or 2 every year on top of holiday events and graphical, would help by providing new incentive for people to play longer. Those who play longer will, more often than not, become members.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unlikely... if anything I think Jagex would be smarter to have a two-month limit on F2P. If you don't switch over to members after two months you're unlikely to ever do it.

Actually, most people I know play for years before they even consider members.

[dwarfie76]

Actually, most people I know play for years before they even consider members.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You probably need to hang out with a better class of person.

[Drakolord7]

I think they should get some , but only like 2 or 3 a year

[Tetsuya]

 

Actually, most people I know play for years before they even consider members.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You probably need to hang out with a better class of person.

 

 

 

Whats that supposed to mean? Almost everyone I know didn't become members after only 2 months(myself included). And some waited years before they bought members, and their perfectly good people. I just wonder what "class of person" you think others should hang out with. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If Jagex did limit f2p like that it would well possibly ruin Runescape. I would hardly consider that "smarter".

[rodl]

+++++WARNING, RANGE RANT IS COMING UP+++++++++

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex should AT LEAST update ranged... I mean come on, if

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

standard bow = bronze weapon

 

 

 

oak bow = iron weapon

 

 

 

willow bow = mithril weapon

 

 

 

maple bow = adamant weapon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where's our rune equivalent weapon? (Yew bow) Ah yes, it's members only. How silly of me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Same with arrows

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bronze, iron, mith, adamant. No rune, how fair is that?

 

 

 

May be to be fair they should make all rune equivalent items members only? How would you meleers feel? Imagine pking in full adamant with adamant scimmy. This is the way archers pk right now if you compare.